Apparently the first rule of Red Pill Club is to never talk about Red Pill Club in the vicinity of some hot babe you want to get with, because the chances are good that she already knows about Red Pill Club and if she finds out you’re a member of it she might start laughing at what a gigantic loser you are.
At least that seems to be the point of one dire warning I found on the front page of the Red Pill subreddit today.
Noting that “most women who frequently use the internet have at least a vague idea what [The Red Pill] is,” One_friendship_plz urged his fellow Red Pillers to never, ever let their Red Pillery “leak” in the presence of a woman because “it makes you come off as more pathetic than a beta.”
You don’t say.
And while a “genuine slut” won’t care how much of a pathetic woman-hating douchebag you are, he goes on to argue,
any half-brained woman knows about TRP. I would say an equal number of women know about the red pill as men, quit trying to come off as unique by spouting shit from here to women about how enlightened you are on the sexual dynamic.
I know a lot of men on here are bitter as f**k, but do not ever appear to be misogynistic to women if you’re trying to get laid.
Shocking, but true. Women tend not to like it when men they don’t know greet them in the club with a hearty “hey, genuine sluts!”
They will take your resources and still be your friend, but they will write you off from the “have sex” list.
NEVER LET A WOMAN GET HER FILTHY HANDS ON YOUR RESOURCES!
For example, if you have manganese deposits in your backyard, don’t ever let her see that shit! Put a tarp over them, or something.
Now, One_friendship_plz doesn’t actually say anything about manganese, per se, but this is something I personally learned the hard way — when I caught a woman I thought was my girlfriend digging for manganese in my backyard with the help of none other than Chad Thundercock himself!
By the way, “digging for manganese in my backyard” isn’t some weird sexual euphemism. Though maybe it should be.
Anyway, back to One_friendship_plz and his stunning insights.
[H]undreds of thousands of women, easily millions know about PUA, MGTOW, TRP. They don’t understand our perspective but they … consciously stay away from anyone associated with this …
Women do not want to have sex with people who they think are from TRP, even if you’re not.. if it seems like you are, then they won’t f**k you. (Even if they’ll be your friend.)
The real takeaway from all this? If you’re going to be a douchebag, make sure you’re a douchebag to dudes as well.
Those douches you see who f**k women, treat everyone like shit & not women exclusively so they never leak off as misogynistic, which is why they still get laid.
Wisdom for the ages!
I made a card out of it. Well, tried to. The text was too long. Hopefully this captures the essence:
She is totally into him, obvs.
@Kat
Not sure if you’re an MRA that sounds like a movie supervillain or someone parodying MRAs that sound like movie supervillains. Poe’s Law in action!
@bz
Something tells me that those “mediocre looking, overweight girls with mundane personalities” have a lot more worth than you’re giving them credit for. Also, do yourself a favor and get a hold of Killing Us Softly, preferably the latest version. You might not agree with everything said in the movie, but you’ll find afterwards that the pressure on women to look good isn’t something women make up for the sake of a victim complex.
Alan, your informative comment on Stannary issues in Cornwall reminded me. I was reading recently about the Late Bronze Age Collapse, which involved the sudden collapse of just about every eastern Mediterranean civilization. One of the aftershocks was the increasing use of iron; the trade routes that had brought tin from Everywhere Else were abandoned. Can’t have bronze without tin (arsenic just isn’t the same), and iron ore is relatively common.
I imagined the proto-Cornish miners waiting, waiting, year after year, until they finally accepted that the funny-sounding foreigners were not coming back. Meanwhile, the Mycenaean cities were being abandoned and the Egyptian Middle Kingdom collapsed.
@ Robert
It would be interesting to do some genetic analysis down here. I suspect a lot of the Cornish are the funny sounding foreigners; or at least have Mediterranean antecedents.
It’s easy now to imagine Cornwall as quite isolated, but in the times of the great sea roads it was quite the hub. There’s archaeological evidence that Cornwall has links to the Mediterranean civilisations dating back at least 8,000 years.
The Salisbury burials show that half the people who lived in the area were born outside the British Isles. I wouldn’t be surprised if there had been a similar thing going on down here.
(You do see a lot of what seems to be Med heritage in folks down here but that might be an Armada thing)
Why? Because they can’t bang a HB10 on their stellar personalities alone? So, we automagically have it easier because their fantasies aren’t being fulfilled?
Or because someone they don’t personally value because they don’t find them attractive is somehow getting access to things TRPers don’t think they deserve?
Actually, as a woman, I think I would take offense because it’s not “easy” for women to find or have casual sex. Not because it would “cheapen my sexual experiences”.
We have to sift through hundreds of dick pics and other inane messages ranging from sexual objectification to outright vileness, do mental safety assessments every time we go out to meet someone, and that’s on top of having to make sure we’re “presentable” by putting on makeup, wearing nice clothes, and making sure our hair’s done up, which can take quite a long time to do, and costs tons more money than most men take to get prepared for a date and/or sex.
Then we have to deal with shithead dudes assuming that “casual sex” means “I’ll fuck anyone who asks without question” and then face abuse from those shitheads when we turn them down, then the stigma of being a “slut” for daring to want to have sex instead of keeping our legs closed “like a good girl should” and then being harassed and abused by other shitheads who think they can police who women fuck or interact with.
I don’t think most cishet dudes (let alone TRPers) really understand what women go through, and just hand-wave it away as being “easy” because for them, dating is so hard because reasons, and that’s what they want to focus on. How hard their life is. Instead of having a little bit of empathy for others.
Don’t believe me? That’s okay, this guy didn’t believe women either.
I would encourage dudes like you to actually fucking talk to women instead of dropping all your half-assed assumptions in here like a watery turd.
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So, you’d go out with a woman who didn’t look good? Who didn’t bother to shave her legs, put on makeup, wear nice clothes, or do all the other things that women are supposed to do to be considered “acceptable” to date?
Because somehow I doubt it.
Or perhaps that those of us who are “mediocre looking, overweight” or those of us with “mundane personalities” are too busy finding our worth on our own instead of putting our faith in assholes who are too busy bemoaning the fact that they can’t sleep with a Victoria’s Secret model?
Perhaps we’re off actually dating people who like us? And perhaps other women are more than okay with that, and the people who really have a problem with it are people like TRPers, who think that those of us who can’t please their boners don’t deserve to have sex or be happy?
Or perhaps you should talk about it, and maybe gain some insight into how “the other side” lives for a bit, instead of making baseless, silly assumptions about how “easy” women have it because we’re fucking and dating and having relationships with people above what you think our league is.
Just a thought.
File that under “No shit, Sherlock!”
Re: bz–Ah shit, another damn troll! Shall we start talking periods?
I’ve been busy settling in, sorry for taking so long to respond.
@Jen
I’ll keep the routine thing in mind, I wish you the best of luck on your endeavors.
@EJ (The Other One)
Thank you for the support, and the offer for a helping hand. I’ll keep my survival in front of my mind.
@Kat
There are walk in therapists at my school, hopefully they aren’t too busy whenever I have the time to come in.
@Mish
Thank you for that, it’s always good to know that I should ignore those sorts of comments.
I’m hoping to go either in Environmental Science or Accounting, after my, blunder, the other dream of Marine Biology is pretty much done for.
@Scildfreja
Thank you for the offer to talk and the support
@Dalillama
Well I now have at least the knowledge that I don’t have to feel lost, hopeless and helpless.
I haven’t the words to properly express how thankful I am of you all.
We’re all rooting for you, Ooglyboggles, and not just because it is so much fun to say your name.
@OoglyBoggles: I hope it’s not too late to give my support and all the hugs (should you want them)
Ooh, a sad boner troll? We haven’t had one of those in awhile. I hope he’s not a drive by because sad boner trolls are the second best chew toys. The first best being MGTOW of course.
Red pill is not a philosophy. Calling it a philosophy doesn’t make it so. At least you are correct in labeling red pill belief rather than fact. Points for that!
I’m going to have ask that you define sexual market and that you tell me your criteria for determining who it favors. Do you take into account the risks versus benefits of casual sex for men and women? Or is your sole criteria “can pick up some random person?” Explain your reasoning for your choice and tell me how you measure it. If you’re going to view relationships and sex as an economic or a scientific model, than you’re actually going to have to back your shit up. As I said, just because you’ve declared something, doesn’t make it so. I’d also like you to account for people who are not straight. Do they fit into your model, or are you just pretending they don’t exist?
I don’t know what you mean by that last part. I think you’re trying to say that the only motive for having casual sex is to enhance your social status so if you say that it’s easy for women to get laid, then for women, it’s less of an impressive accomplishment for women to have sex than it would be for poor, poor you who has to work for it.
There’s one giant problem with this hypothesis. Not everyone views sex as a transaction. Some people have sex for love, some have sex for money, some have sex for fun. These motives aren’t even mutually exclusive.
Do I even need to seriously address that you think the trope that men are all perpetually horny and always looking to get laid while women are the sexual gatekeepers is some sort of big truth bomb? That’s precious. This isn’t some new revelation that the brave philosopher kings to the red pill came up with. This is the oldest stereotype ever. You can find it in fundamentalist religious sects. You can find it all over pop culture. You can find it everywhere. Stop acting like you’re a member of fight club. It’s beyond pathetic.
Also, how are you defining “average plain Jane?” Is the definition consistent over time and across cultures? How do subcultures with different beauty standards than the main cultural norm fit into your model? How do you account for individual taste?
Again, how are you measuring the hotness vs. ugliness of men and women here? I mean some sort of objective measurement. Your boner is not an acceptable measure. What data do you have to support the hypothesis that ugly or mediocre women are hooking up with hot guys? The data should come from somewhere other than the University of Assfax’s Boner Notes Department. Where is the actual data from an accredited university or a government agency?
This is a more of a personal question. Do you find it at all hypocritical that you’re claiming that the pressure on women to look good is imaginary while in the very same sentence complaining about women you don’t deem sufficiently attractive having any kind of sex life? Do you have even a speck of self awareness?
Obvious to you does not equal true. You are not an objective observer. I could just as easily say that it’s harder for women because we’re expected to know how to flirt just enough to indicate that we’re interested in a man but without coming off too slutty or forward. That’s actually not such an easy task. I’m shit at flirting and guess what? When I was young, thin and cute, I still was not covered in suitors. In fact, the only time I ever got dates was with guys that I met or interacted with at parties because I need the assistance of alcoholic beverages to be uninhibited enough to flirt. At least it’s socially acceptable for men to just be direct and straightforward. That take less social skill than flirting even though risking rejection is scary.
I could also easily say it’s harder for women because we’re at greater risk for partner violence and rape when we get involved with men. Cis women also have to worry about birth control and pregnancy. Cis men do not.
My point isn’t that dating is super easy for men but difficult for women BTW. My point is that it kind of sucks for everyone. That’s why happily partnered people of all genders and orientations so often express relief that they don’t have to deal with the dating scene. Your problem is that your assuming that your problems = the only problems.
Oh, and one last thing. I’m not doing research for a drive by troll, but if you come back, I can provide ample evidence that women are under a shit ton of pressure to look good. Not just with regard to dating but with regard to every aspect of life. We’ll see if you’re up to tangling with us. I’m guessing no.
PI-RCS and WWTH:
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Poo. I flubbed the link.
Anyway, you both deserve applause.
@Aunt Podger
@(((VioletBeauregarde))): Social Justice Necromancer
It ain’t too late, hugs for all
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And now for the drive by troll, it’s been a while since mig and mick and mark.
@bz
Answer this bz,
A sexual marketplace,
Can you define that?
For attractiveness,
How do you define “pretty”
Between the sexes?
Your few assertions
Need sources back them up
Or are they made up?
@dbz
I’m just tryna figure out who the fuck this ‘You’ person is. Forename? Surname? Should I know him? Tell me what movie he was in, I’ll get it
@OoglyBoggles: Yay…thanks for the hugs :3
Also, regarding bz (and anyone else who uses the term “overweight”), I’m *assuming* that they’re referring to size and not the number on the scale–after all, we don’t go around stepping on scales in front of everybody.
(I’m saying this as someone who weighs a lot but does not look it.)
tl; dr?
Executive summary
This guy can’t get laid. According to him, it’s hard even for good-looking guys with great personalities (like him) to get laid. Meanwhile, even women who are fat and ugly and have terrible personalities get to have sex. But this guy wouldn’t dare say that out loud. He couldn’t, for example, say that in the comments section of a feminist blog.
Reader, life is unfair.
@Oogly boggles
Those beautiful dogs . . .
I hope you have a great school year!
Whether men experience anything like the pressures women do to look attractive, there is some evidence that women are more critical of men’s appearance than men are of women’s and less attracted to the opposite sex in general.
That is, assuming you count a 7 year old OKCupid survey as evidence: https://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/
@ bryce
I probably wouldn’t; not without further information anyway.
How representative are OKcupid users of the general population? The mere fact its user base is people attempting to date using the site rather than real world interaction might suggest that they’re atypical? I don’t know.
How popular is online dating now compared to the ‘old fashioned’ ways? Maybe it is representative, but that’s what I mean when I say *I* would need more info.
I’d treat the data with the same scepticism as if someone had asked “what do you look for in a hobby?” on a video games discussion board. That might skew towards thing associated with video games and it probably wouldn’t correctly identify that the most popular hobby in the UK is angling.
So I’d be inclined to take that survey with a pinch of salt in terms of general application.
But that’s just a personal take on this.
@Alan
Not for the Irish, Scottish, or Welsh, surely…
Getting my coat
– RedPill douchebag
Wow. They managed to write something *true*, for once 😀
@ axe
Oh, very good!
“That is, assuming you count a 7 year old OKCupid survey as evidence”
I don’t.
@bryce
Holy hell, that article is biased. I mean, yeah, according to those numbers, women rate most men as less than “medium” on their attractive scale while men rate most women as “medium”. However, even though men seem to be more generous in terms of their ratings, they’re far less generous in terms of who they’ll actually talk to. The charts show men messaging by and large only the women at the highest end of the scale whereas women will message mostly men at the lowest end of the scale.
The same holds true throughout the charts. Men have much higher standards for who they’ll talk to.
Also, what the actual fuck is up with posting photos of guys at the office and being all “boo hoo these totally decent-looking guys were rated less than medium feeeeemales are so meeeannnnnnnn”? It’s just so illustrative of these toxic attitudes. Women might rate them as less than medium, but the article’s own numbers show that women would probably still be perfectly willing to talk to them, unlike men with women they’d rated less than medium.
Further, there’s conspicuously no examples of women around the office who were rated less than medium but who the writer thinks are totally decent-looking (bolded so you know it must be true, I guess). Is it that there are no women around the OKCupid offices? Is it that the dude who wrote the article agrees with the attractiveness of the women who were rated less than medium?
I could go on forever. There are a ton of questions I’d love to ask, some of which may not be answerable. How do men vs. women present themselves in photos? How do men vs. women evaluate their own attractiveness? How attractive are people on OKCupid compared to the general population? How attractive do men vs. women have to consider themselves before being willing to make an OKCupid profile?
TL;DR I wouldn’t consider that article evidence of anything except that writer’s ability to draw a completely unwarranted conclusion from a set of data.
@weirwoodtreehugger
There really needs to be an award of some sort for this kind of talent 🙂
We could call it the Communist Bonobo Snarkums Prize?