Apparently the first rule of Red Pill Club is to never talk about Red Pill Club in the vicinity of some hot babe you want to get with, because the chances are good that she already knows about Red Pill Club and if she finds out you’re a member of it she might start laughing at what a gigantic loser you are.
At least that seems to be the point of one dire warning I found on the front page of the Red Pill subreddit today.
Noting that “most women who frequently use the internet have at least a vague idea what [The Red Pill] is,” One_friendship_plz urged his fellow Red Pillers to never, ever let their Red Pillery “leak” in the presence of a woman because “it makes you come off as more pathetic than a beta.”
You don’t say.
And while a “genuine slut” won’t care how much of a pathetic woman-hating douchebag you are, he goes on to argue,
any half-brained woman knows about TRP. I would say an equal number of women know about the red pill as men, quit trying to come off as unique by spouting shit from here to women about how enlightened you are on the sexual dynamic.
I know a lot of men on here are bitter as f**k, but do not ever appear to be misogynistic to women if you’re trying to get laid.
Shocking, but true. Women tend not to like it when men they don’t know greet them in the club with a hearty “hey, genuine sluts!”
They will take your resources and still be your friend, but they will write you off from the “have sex” list.
NEVER LET A WOMAN GET HER FILTHY HANDS ON YOUR RESOURCES!
For example, if you have manganese deposits in your backyard, don’t ever let her see that shit! Put a tarp over them, or something.
Now, One_friendship_plz doesn’t actually say anything about manganese, per se, but this is something I personally learned the hard way — when I caught a woman I thought was my girlfriend digging for manganese in my backyard with the help of none other than Chad Thundercock himself!
By the way, “digging for manganese in my backyard” isn’t some weird sexual euphemism. Though maybe it should be.
Anyway, back to One_friendship_plz and his stunning insights.
[H]undreds of thousands of women, easily millions know about PUA, MGTOW, TRP. They don’t understand our perspective but they … consciously stay away from anyone associated with this …
Women do not want to have sex with people who they think are from TRP, even if you’re not.. if it seems like you are, then they won’t f**k you. (Even if they’ll be your friend.)
The real takeaway from all this? If you’re going to be a douchebag, make sure you’re a douchebag to dudes as well.
Those douches you see who f**k women, treat everyone like shit & not women exclusively so they never leak off as misogynistic, which is why they still get laid.
Wisdom for the ages!
I made a card out of it. Well, tried to. The text was too long. Hopefully this captures the essence:
She is totally into him, obvs.
@Oogyboogies, all the love <3 You're gonna do great! I know how hard school and work and all that happening at the same time is – I'm in the same boat right now. I'm also in the same boat regarding the whole "depression, effects of" nonsense that you're afraid of. I totally understand the anxiety, and it's awesome that you're going to do it anyways. Feel free to talk about it here whenever the mood strikes you, if you think it'll help. We're happy to help, I know. What are you going to be studying?
@Seven, I always interpret their statements outside of logic-land. It's about relieving the stress of not being in their dream relationship, I think. So, any combination of mouth-sounds that gets that job done! It's rationalizations, all the way down.
(Perhaps the contradictory ideas already burst into flames, and that’s how an MRA is born; immolation of the prefrontal cortex!)
Though to be fair, they also say that women like angry, abusive guys, the “alphas”. I imagine they think they’re saying “Be alpha, that means being an asshole to everyone, not just the chicks.”
MRA Lessons in How to Make Friends, everyone.
@ Scildfreja
Yeah I’m not really expecting them to be logically consistent it’s just amazing to me that they can actually come right out and say these things plainly and still not see it. It’s not even a matter of “so close and yet so far” with this one. This guy actually got there.
It’s like they’ve always believed 2+2 = 5 because that’s what they read on some TRP web site. And this guy went out and got 2 of something and 2 of something else, put all the somethings on a table, counted them, and came up with 4. He was confused for a moment but then he cut one of the somethings in half, counted again, came up with 5 and sighed in relief.
Hee, it’s so true. It’s staring him right in the face, and he can’t see it. Really goes to show how your desires and your biases shape your perceptions. Unlike Picard, this guy actually sees five lights when there’s only four.
http://i.imgur.com/B8DLZ4G.gif
So, open question – how would our protagonist douchebro here be able to recognize that his perceptions are wrong and do something about it?
@Ooglyboggles
All my sympathies; I’ve been in and out of university a few times for similar reasons.
@ Alan
A bounder is (most likely) someone from outside the bounds of the ‘right’ social circle who’s trying to get into it. Cad has a similar meaning, being a contraction of caddie* (as in golf; a servant, gofer, or menial), and hence also means someone who hangs around with upper class people but isn’t supposed to mingle socially with them.
*Some sources say cadet, but they’re the same word; caddie is the Scots form.
@Scildfreja
Picard always welcome
Conundrum. There’s evidence to show that people who live in places with a lot of, for example, Muslims are less likely to be islamophobic. Ditto for other groups. Sexism works differently than racism tho. Different process. It’s not exactly out group hatred. Their mothers, sisters, neighbors, classmates,, coworkers, etc are women
Pillars, ironically, see men and women sorta equally in a way. 2 different, completely separate species, acting exclusively according to rational self interest. We use them to empty our prostates, they use us to fill their wallets. The rebuttal is that different women are different and want different things. Except they don’t really see men as wanting different things, so that argument doesn’t click*
How do you refute SMV? Economics doesn’t apply to interpersonal relationships? I mean, #afbb is just trade. It’s the wrong economic model? A lot of these people believe in ‘job creators’ and espouse keeping ‘big daddy gummint’ outta their business. You can’t really get to 1st principles, cos there really aren’t any
TLDR: no idea
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*It’s also why MGTOW never go their own way and learn to sculpt or whatever. That would imply they had any other interests than gettin some ass and being bitter about not gettin some ass
Mine’s scratched in stolen manganese. It’s softer.
@Alan – You mentioning Cornwall reminded me, in a roundabout sort of way, that yesterday was the 19th, so a belated Happy Talk Like a Bad Impression of Robert Newton’s Exaggerated West Counties Accent in the 1950 Treasure Island Day to ya! (Or should it be “to yer”?)
(Also, that’s a fascinating issue, thanks for the story about it!)
It’s just… It would be funny if it wasn’t tragic? But then they somehow live in the same world as I do, where men and women are complex individuals with complex desires, and yet they think attractiveness can be boiled down to a score out of ten based on visuals. Its really sad that they’ve never fallen in love with someone’s sense of humour or sunny optimism. And they think it’s because they’re not Alpha enough.
Well….duuuh? But still, I’m impressed with these guys. So far, they’ve figured out that:
1. Women don’t like douchebags who treat them like shit.
2. Red Pillers are douchebags or at least come off looking like douchebags.
And they could have said ”Hey, let’s not be douchebags.”. No, they went with ”let’s be douchebags to men too!”. Yep, totally alpha male logic there, my lady brain can’t figure it out.
@Scildfreja:
(If I understand correctly, this is the nastiest thing that a cognitive scientist is capable of saying about anyone. It’s like a physicist saying that their statements are non-falsifiable.)
If I may hazard a guess as to the answer, however, I believe that the question itself is broken. They know that their perceptions are already wrong. That terrifies them, and they have responded by retreating into assertions and reassuring counterfactuals. The stress of all that denial probably doesn’t help, either.
@Axe:
I think you hit the nail on the head there. There aren’t any first principles, because there is no actual ideology. There’s just the instinct to conceal a painful reality, and the elements used in that concealment don’t need to be consistent.
They’re desperate. Good. I have sympathy for the individuals, but none for the movement. They want to be kings? Sic semper tyrannis.
It seems that Brad Pitt is single again. Now the red pillers really don’t have a chance of getting laid. We all know how women are only interested in Brad.
@EJ
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur 🙂
@Axe:
Would it surprise you to know that I have given a gift of a t-shirt with that on it?
I only wish I was a genuine slut. Alas, I am off-brand. Sloots – all the flavour, for less!
As both calmdown and WWTH have said: Yeah, I don’t want to be your friend, either, MRAs. Why would I want to be friends with someone who hates me? I’d probably rather fuck you, in some awful nightmare scenario where I had to choose, because at least that would be over quickly and we wouldn’t have to talk.
Jack and PI, you two are adorable.
Oogly, that’s wicked, good for you!
Does this mean I’m cheeseburger flavored? Like a Special Edition flavor?
Off topic, but Viscaria did mention knock-offs: I mentioned this idea to Jackie, but I also wanna poll some people here about something.
I mentioned in a previous thread that I want to start a toy collecting channel on YouTube, and I’m batting around ideas for that as we speak.
One idea that came up recently is to compare cheap knock-off toys to their more name-brand counterparts, like comparing “Fashion Doll”($5) to a similar Barbie ($10+). I want to call this segment “The Island of Knock-Off Toys”.
Obviously, I would want to do more than one toy at a time if I can find them, like getting lots of “Fashion Dolls” to compare to a few Barbies in one video (I would want these segments to be at least fifteen minutes long).
EDIT: Though, after typing this up, maybe I should call them “off-brand” instead?
Does this sound like a good idea, or does it still need work?
WARNING: SUPER NERD MODE ACTIVATED
Towards the end, he actually did start to see five lights. Here’s the relevant dialog:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708687/quotes?item=qt1531733
Sounds like a great idea! If I had free time, I would absolutely love to watch a YouTube show like that.
Knock-off has the better ring, I think.
@EJ
Not even remotely 🙂
@PI
Island of Discount Toys? Whatever. I like Knock Off, it’s catchy 😀
Now I got the song stuck in my head!
*hums* the most wonderful day of the year…
@kupo – That sounds like a “1984” reference. A fairly direct one, even, so I’m assuming it’s common knowledge and not something I just came up with…
@PI:
“Island of Discount Toys” has kind of a nice ring to it. (A lot of them are most definitely misfit toys, too.)
And back to the menzer mutton:
Yep, dude, yer LIQUID FUCKING GOLD is definitely not on my “to steal” list. But I don’t want you for a friend, either.
http://blog.art21.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/all_misfit_toys_welcome_here-1.jpg
I’d watch that. You get bonus points if you do little stop-motion intro videos with the toys. That’s a lot of work, though!
@Seven of Nine
The Interwebz is rife with misinformation.
Be nice to others. Share. Live and let live.
Pfft.
For anyone who counts, the whole point of being alive is to rule over others.
Do you think ruling over others is easy?
First you have to locate your subjects. Then you have to subdue them. Then you have to keep them subdued — and not allow other would-be rulers to drag them away.
That’s why we have kickass, no-holds-barred websites like Redditor and RoK: to enable would-be rulers to rule.
The principles behind ruling and rulers are intricate, inconsistent, and self-contradictory. Girls can’t expect to understand them. Give up now.
The core belief of the red pill philosophy is that the sexual market is heavily in favor of women. If a man were to say that finding casual sex is really easy for the average plain jane, then I think most women would take offense, as it cheapens their sexual experiences. I reckon women like to think there is a great amount of pressure on them to look good and to be pointed out that mediocre looking, overweight girls with mundane personalities are hooking up with good looking, fit dudes easily, flies in the face of what they’re told about the importance of female beauty. So yeah, as a guy, even if its obvious to you how uneven the playing field is in the hook up/ casual sex culture, you’re better off not talking about it.
@Penny
According to IMDB that was the inspiration for the scene.
Not really! I mean, sorta? But we all have blind spots. If I’m bein’ nasty about it, it’s because theirs is square in the middle of their faces and occludes most of the world. Which is ridiiiicullousssss
The big thing for me about that question is pretty sincere though. Figuring out ways to self-check are sorta high on my psychological to-do list.
Hm! Depends on your definition of “know”, I think. In one sense, yah, they know their perceptions are wrong and are squirming like mad to avoid confronting that fact. However, the knowledge hasn’t been pulled into their explicit consciousness. That’s the denial and all of the stress. I guess that’s more what I’m asking – when you see someone denying the truth so strenuously, what can you do about it?