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Whaa!? Men Going Their Own Way actually consider going their own way

Clipperton Island: It has a tree
Clipperton Island: It has a tree

Earlier today, one apparently desperate MGTOW went to the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit to ask the regulars for advice on fleeing the country so he can skip out on paying alimony and child support.

Helpful commenters suggested various alternatives, from faking his own death to literally joining the French Foreign legion (turns out he’s too old for that). The OP is also considering the possibility of living “like Rambo, in the woods.”

But my favorite answer came from a dude living on a boat:

Mike637 3 points 9 hours ago Buy a small sailboat and go. There are tons of deserted island and countries that are not going to care about your visa status unless you are committing crimes. Sailing is easy. If you have a decent vehicle, I bet you could show up on the Gulf coast and trade it for a capable sailboat. I live on a sailboat right now and as soon as I am finished fixing it up, I am out of here. I am hoping to be done by the end of October.

I would strongly urge all MGTOWs to consider this alternative. Any kind of boat or boat-like device will do — sailboat, rowboat, giant inflatable duck, pool noodle, you name it.

Aim for one of these islands and you’ll be sitting pretty in no time!

NOTE: Just so you know, the caption for the pic above is kind of a joke. Clipperton Island, a tiny smudge of an atoll 670 miles southwest of Mexico, has more than one tree. It also had birds.

clipbirds

And an abandoned tanker!

clippertonfreighter

MGTOWs! Clipperton island calls for you!

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Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen
5 years ago

Why’s everyone dissing on pineapples all of a sudden? I mean, if you cross one with a half-dozen eggs, you get something you don’t want to run into in a dark alley.

http://www.smogon.com/dex/media/sprites/xy/exeggutor.gif

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/3/30/Exeggutor_JE091.png/revision/latest?cb=20150617192124

See?

XD

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Just finished the thread. I LOST it at “Olive Garden”.

Bless your heart, Mig.

Tell us more about your fabulous wealth and how you are so macho you can live on a diet of raw sea gulls.

Then tell another poopy joke.

You are more fun than an barrel full of monkeys.

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
5 years ago

I don’t know but supposedly from what my professor was saying in the lecture women had the “right” to vote “taken away”, supposedly in New Jersey they had women voting but then it got banned (by patriarchy) – is my answer close?

Kupo it’s called “sociology of gender” – that’s the course name – my teacher is a sociology professor – I think she’s maybe a feminist – so far my grades are pretty good – got a perfect score on the writing assignment

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Redsilkphoenix,
One of those rules my local gym.

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

I don’t know but supposedly from what my professor was saying in the lecture women had the “right” to vote “taken away”, supposedly in New Jersey they had women voting but then it got banned (by patriarchy)

I’d probably be happier for you if you didn’t put “right” and “taken away” in quotes.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
5 years ago

@Jack

Nah I just meant it as a… whatchmacallit. Hrm. It was a joke, but I can’t engrish up a description of the kind of joke. Halp.

Like, I didn’t actually mean we’d know ?

See this is why I’m still bad at english.

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

@Sinkable John

That would be irony or sarcasm, which is hard to pick up in text format.

At least, I think it would be.

(Also, I got some wax cubes called “Monster Cookies” and it smells phenomenal. I need to get more.

It smells like really, really good sugar cookies, you guys, it’s great.)

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Handsome,
He doesn’t believe in rights.
Remember?

LaterSpaceCowboy
LaterSpaceCowboy
5 years ago

@kupo

FYI it looks to me like most of those birds are gannets, though it may be you were saying in your region it’s mostly gulls. Clipperton has a variety of seafaring birds, but interestingly I don’t see gannets listed on the Wikipedia page but those are definitely gannets; I know because when I used to work on a ship in the Pacific, we rigged up a make-shift air-gun out of a high-pressure air hose and some spare PVC piping, which we used to help us with our bird poop problem. Our bird poop problem was the direct result of gannets landing on the masts of the ship to get a free ride. So we’d fire warning shots over their bow, so to speak. ‘Twas an international incident, I say! I’ll never forget the look of the lil’ bastards pooping up a storm all over the deck which it was then our duty to clean. Odious, wretched poop-birds! Oi oi oi!

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@kupo

and it’s really treatable

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LindsayIrene
5 years ago

But how do gannets taste?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen
5 years ago

@Lea:

Considering that thing is on the so-called God Teir when it comes to power levels, that’s not surprising.

How often do the gym(s) in your area change hands? In this area, if one goes longer than a day (especially on weekends), it’s doing pretty good.

ETA:

@SFHC:

And that’s just proof positive those things have some palm tree DNA in them from someplace. 😀

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
5 years ago

@Handsome Jack

No no no more like err… parody I guess ?

Y’know, the old “You better not do x, because I’ll know.”

But you’re right, it is kinda hard to pick up in text, I’m realizing this right now.

Croquembouche of patriarchy
Croquembouche of patriarchy
5 years ago

@Sinkable John,
Long ago I used to be on a discussion group for a particular science where university level discussions were frequently interrupted by a junior high school level student asking a really basic question.

Some posters would reply with “read your text book kid, it will be in there”. Some posters would patiently give the answer and explain it to them. In both cases the kid had an opportunity to discover that learning is a thing you do, not something that is done to you.

And some posters would give an answer which was wrong and untrue. “Never reproduce in your exam or essay something you heard on the Internet without checking it out against valid sources” is an important lesson in academia and in life. Mick Dash is currently putting too much faith in the MGTOW anecdata, I hope he learns better.

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

Handsome,
He doesn’t believe in rights.
Remember?

Yeah, I remember, that’s why I’d be happier for them.

Like, I get that rights aren’t “real”, but a concept is still real and has effects and I think I’ve already done this in the other thread and I’m not getting into it again.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/0448f00437a1439739cf6be23391f384/tumblr_inline_mz5wzdEzTB1qefa82.gif

(Okay, I would totally get into it again but I have better things to do, like that fan fic I keep mentioning. I’m almost certain I’ve done chapter one right.)

No no no more like err… parody I guess ?

Y’know, the old “You better not do x, because I’ll know.”

I still think that’s sarcasm because, you know, if it’s said or read in a certain way, you’d know you’re not being serious, which is why it’s hard to convey through text.

A parody is more like something that’s making fun of something that already exists in a way that sort of copies it, if that’s makes sense. I’m pretty sure that’s it.

I don’t know, I’m not an English major. Some Major English explain shit to us.

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
5 years ago

Here’s my challenge to you guys, and gals who believe in “rights”, can any of you tell me what a “citizen” is – without looking it up?

Often the myth of “the citizen” is conjoined with this myth of rights – no believer I’ve ever asked has ever been able to meet this challenge so don’t feel bad when you draw a blank…my professor didn’t know either…she started talking about “voting” and “owning property” when I asked her…but resident aliens can own property…and not all supposed “citizens” can vote…right ?…so obviously there’s more to it than voting and owning property right?

So what’s a “citizen”? Can anyone tell me? (without google)

I don’t know the answers to those other challenge questions, but would be interested to learn more. Like I said I’m real serious about my Gender Studies.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

@LaterSpaceCowboy
I didn’t know what birds those were, but around here we get seagulls. I’d try to catch the wild geese, swans, and ducks around here long before I’d go after the gulls and pigeons.

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

So what’s a “citizen”? Can anyone tell me? (without google)

Someone with a social security card. Next question.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

I’m not sure. This one has been blue a while.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
5 years ago

@Dick Mash

It’s a tricky question. “Citizen” means different things depending on where and when, for one. There’s no universal definition. Like rights, it’s a concept that fluctuates over time, is approached differently in different countries, and can have different degrees of inclusiveness.

In other words, the reason no one answered your question before is because it’s not properly defined in the first place.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@Mix and Match
Citizen, noun: a constituent member of a nation state

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

We aren’t debating you, ya massive twit.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
5 years ago

@Mick, good for you! What did you write your paper about? And what are you planning on doing for the big assignments, do you have any topics yet?

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

I can just imagine that conversation.
Mick: “Rights aren’t even real! I can’t put them under a mattress.”
Professor: “They do exist. For example, the military and police forces protect the rights of citizens….”
Mick: “WHAT DOES CITIZEN EVEN MEAN?!?”

Croquembouche of patriarchy
Croquembouche of patriarchy
5 years ago

Oh goody! Mick Dash tries to gotcha-troll his professor, too!
Invite her here Mick, I’m sure her thoughts would be more interesting to us than yours.

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
5 years ago

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
I’m impressed

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Basically I’m thinking of doing circumcision for “The Paper”, I talked a little bit about it on my paper – I have already done some research on it but I don’t know maybe I should do something else. My paper was about men’s issues and gynocracy basically so I thought it might get held against my grade; I was really scared.

Maybe I’ll do like a full thesis on Gynocracy and how men are now systematically the disadvantaged sex at the institutional level instead of focusing on the circumcision thing specifically.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

@Mick
I can’t imagine a sociology professor who would hold it against you that you wrote about men’s issues in a gender studies class unless you decided to ignore the topic you were instructed to write about.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
5 years ago

Are we back to “THEY TOOK MY FORESKIN !!” again ?

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

Olive Garden didn’t always suck. It used to be pretty damned good, back in the 90’s or so.

I missed this before, but

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Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
5 years ago

Sociological definitions like “citizen” are fuzzy, because societies are messy. That there are exceptions doesn’t invalidate a concept.

Mick, you need to stop thinking in absolutes. Just because rights aren’t concrete or precisely defined doesn’t make them meaningless; just because citizenship has exceptions to the basic rules doesn’t mean that the concept is invalid.

Societies don’t work that way, because information doesn’t work that way. It’s messy and stochastic and contradictory and glorious.

FoxKit
FoxKit
5 years ago

So what’s a “citizen”? Can anyone tell me?

A resident of a nation with a government. That government usually dictates the rights and responsibilities of its citizenry in a constitution. By attaining citizenship to a government you are essentially entering a contract where you accept certain responsibilities (like paying taxes, registering for the draft, or completing your census forms) in exchange for rights and liberties (like having a say in government through voting, having healthcare, or owning property).

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Mick is committed to the bit. I’ll give him that.

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
5 years ago

Hey you guys are good

maybe I’ll do a paper on the anti -male feminist gynocratic rape culture.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
5 years ago

I’m sure that they’d be happy to accept your paper on the disadvantages men face in society today.

What sources are you planning on using for that paper, though? Typically you’ll want at least 5-8 good sources for an undergraduate paper. Do you know what you’ll be referring to for citations?

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
5 years ago

feminist rape culture

You can fuck off right now.

ETA : The goal of editing a post is usually to correct it, not to make it even more wrong.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Mick,
Insulting us to try to change the subject won’t work.

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
5 years ago

Don’t you find that feminists often normalize and minimize sexual violence when it’s directed at male victims?

JS
JS
5 years ago

OK Mick, really?

You’ve decided that a good topic for a “paper” in a Sociology of Feminism “Class” is circumcision, and maybe men’s issues, and the “gynocracy”.

Now you’re just making things up to troll with.

And no, I don’t find that feminists do any such normalizing thing, because I’d think such men would prefer talking to police and therapists, instead of some random feminist in the street.

I can see how that conversation might go. “I was violated last night” “Well, call the police then.” It’s not gonna be, “That’s normal, go lay down and sleep it off.”

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

…tell me what a “citizen” is…

Short form: What we collectively decide it to be.

Longer form: As much as I criticize the expressions of group psychology that I see, it is a normal and natural part of our instincts and the ability to decide who is and is not in our group, how you get into our group, and how you get kicked out is a neutral on the species level.

The trick is finding a good way to express something that evolved in a species used to interacting with 100-200 or so of it’s kind, and preyed on it’s own kind in the modern age. Swapping symbols with personal experience of people in group communication is part of how that changed thanks to some evolving around 500,000 years ago.

Fast forward through periods of time during which symbolism evolved into all kinds of wacky things for communication and social organization that probably affected our very evolution and we can form sets of concepts that we collectively agree constitutes a member of a group living in a country. Which is also subject to change if we collectively decide it should and explains why we get so passionate about this stuff and want to all have our say in forming it.

FoxKit
FoxKit
5 years ago

Don’t you find that feminists often normalize and minimize sexual violence when it’s directed at male victims?

No.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

Don’t you find that feminists often normalize and minimize sexual violence when it’s directed at male victims?

Citation fucking needed. In fact, feminists do a lot of work to help male rape victims.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
5 years ago

Don’t you find that feminists often normalize and minimize sexual violence when it’s directed at male victims?

Don’t you find that copy-pasting well-known feminist arguments and retooling them to suit your purposes shows an incredible lack of creativity ?

Seriously, it’s what the alt-right does, for fuck’s sake.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

TW: Violence, rape

@StuffAndNonsense
Thanks for that information on Clipperton Island. I was stunned!

Wikipedia says this:

The British Pacific Island Company acquired the rights to guano deposits in 1906 and built a mining settlement in conjunction with the Mexican government. That same year, a lighthouse was erected under the orders of President Porfirio Díaz. By 1914 around 100 people—men, women, and children—were living there, resupplied every two months by a ship from Acapulco. With the escalation of fighting in the Mexican Revolution, the regular resupply visits ceased and the inhabitants were left to their own devices.

By 1917 all but one of the male inhabitants had died. Many had perished from scurvy, while others (including Captain Arnaud) died during an attempt to sail after a passing ship to fetch help. Lighthouse keeper Victoriano Álvarez was the last man on the island, together with 15 women and children. Álvarez proclaimed himself “king” and began an orgy of rape and murder, before being killed by Tirza Rendon, who was the recipient of his unwanted attention. Almost immediately after Álvarez’s death four women and seven children, the last survivors, were picked up by the US Navy gunship Yorktown on 18 July 1917.

TW: Violence, rape

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
5 years ago

Don’t you find that feminists often normalize and minimize sexual violence when it’s directed at male victims?

Feminists show concern for rape victims, male or female.

MRAs make rape jokes.

@Kat, Clipperton is a wild story. Absolutely awful. Practically movie-quality. Frankly, I’m sure there *are* movies about it.

Falconer
Falconer
5 years ago

A citizen has, like, Armor Class -2, 10 Hit Dice and swallows whole if it hits by 5 or more, right? One of the Lovecraft-derived monsters first published in Dragon Magazine in 1983 and later collected in Monster Manual 2, if I’m not mistaken.

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
5 years ago

“Citation fucking needed. ”

“Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
September 13, 2016 at 10:42 pm
Are we back to “THEY TOOK MY FORESKIN !!” again ?”

Don’t you find this kind of minimizing, belittling attitude common among feminists to institutional anti male sex abuse? I don’t think it’s really an isolated thing – it’s a common cultural attitude – I think feminists overlook it because gynocentic sexism basically. They don’t see the rapey-ness because they are mainly concerned with women.

Ooglyboggles
5 years ago

@Mig
Now for the poem that no asked for in Dante’s Inferno’s form.

Somewhere, beyond the azure horizon,
Lies a place crowned with sand and coral reef.
Where gulls doze in the land of Clipperton.

A visitor, compelled by his belief,
powered by aspirations of manhood,
Will sooth his sore ego with sweet relief.

He’ll prove those women wrong with his plywood,
His wits, his skills and his hunting prowess,
Shall expose them as meek as a bird’s brood.

Mig’s boat has landed and he is breathless,
As countless Seagulls lay still and rested.
A perfect setting to nab the brainless.

Perhaps if he heard what was suggested,
and approached in some camouflaged attire,
He would not be so easily bested.

The flock flew far from the slow non-flyer.
As the night descends and brings cold, harsh wind,
Mig soon found out he could not make his fire.

“This chill is nothing”, said Mig as he grinned.
Soon they’ll say “forgive us for we have sinned.”

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
5 years ago

Edit: Oooh, very nice, Ooglyboggles.

Ktoryx
Ktoryx
5 years ago

Man, I missed the good troll! Watching that guy go into full on meltdown because we wimminz don’t wanna eat seagull and Olive Garden was the funniest thing I’ve seen all week.

Now there’s just the sophomoric, pseudo-intellectual drivel-spewing troll, and I’m bored of that one.