Earlier today, one apparently desperate MGTOW went to the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit to ask the regulars for advice on fleeing the country so he can skip out on paying alimony and child support.
Helpful commenters suggested various alternatives, from faking his own death to literally joining the French Foreign legion (turns out he’s too old for that). The OP is also considering the possibility of living “like Rambo, in the woods.”
But my favorite answer came from a dude living on a boat:
I would strongly urge all MGTOWs to consider this alternative. Any kind of boat or boat-like device will do — sailboat, rowboat, giant inflatable duck, pool noodle, you name it.
Aim for one of these islands and you’ll be sitting pretty in no time!
NOTE: Just so you know, the caption for the pic above is kind of a joke. Clipperton Island, a tiny smudge of an atoll 670 miles southwest of Mexico, has more than one tree. It also had birds.
And an abandoned tanker!
MGTOWs! Clipperton island calls for you!
Possessing the Secret of Joy by Alice Walker is a novel about female genital mutilation. It is by no means an easy read — the subject is chilling — but I learned a lot.
Seagulls out there in the middle of nowhere have a reasonable chance of being relatively clean and disease-free, compared to their counterparts who frequent human habitation and eat garbage. That’s where they pick up the human-unfriendly pathogens and botulism from, after all. It is also that particular diet that makes their meat and fat particularly nasty; gulls with the traditional diet are apparently quite edible and pleasant.
I can’t find any hard information on the vitamin content of seabirds, but so long as you eat all the bits (especially the liver) you might be OK, especially if you supplemented your skyrat stew with some fish or seabird eggs… apparently there’s a big breeding colony of masked and brown boobies there, if being a MGTOW doesn’t mean you’ve sworn off such things forever.
Hope you like crabs though. There are millions of em there.
& diptych & Kat
Pitcairn is a horrible real life examination of what happens in the circumstances MGTOWs dream about (as is Somalia). A less unpleasant fictional example is the experiment referred to in ‘Brave New World’ when they set up a colony of Alphas on Cyprus.
@Tessa, about Borderland and female normal ennemy : my take on it is that with the various mask and equipment one cannot distinguish male and females. It’s likely an overly optimistic idea for Borderland ; my position on that started with games like Starcrafts were a female marine would be exactly the same as a male marine, but in borderland they aren’t all that suited up.
That being said, I loathe a lot the concept that if a soldier is a women, it have to be readily visible via breastplate and whatever. Or by being smaller and slimer. Ideally, I would want 1/3 of clearly “masculine” foes (aka with beards or visible face who is visibly masculine), 1/3 to 1/10 depending on context of visibly female people, and the rest “androgynous” enough to pass for either in context. (so likely still pretty “masculine”, bulky and all)
As far as the “only one model of badass woman”, I agree that I feel that american cultures rely way, way too much on only a small number of cliche women. For all their very numerous and very real fault, I like japanese mangas and animes more than american comics and movies in that it’s much easier to find several different kind of strong women, as well as female characters who are strong but aren’t unbreakable. Having varied female matter more to me than having non sexualized women, even if both are obviously important.
@ pie
A Maori rugby player I met once told me he’d eaten seagull as a kid. He indictated it was a culinary delight best avoided.
It sounds like there’s a certain amount of preparation that needs to be done, and if you do it wrong the result is probably not very nice and you might not be inclined to try again to see if you could get it right.
There are some quite mangled autotranslated recipes here that talk about being very careful to remove the skin and fat, especially the internal fat.
http://www.hanspeteraukenbeck.com/index.php/project/seagull-recipes/
Still, the recommendations to consume with a strong wine or to curry aren’t entirely encouraging. If the alternative is something deeply unpleasant and offensive to your principles (like, paying child support) then you’re just going to have to get used to it. It is a small price to pay, right?
I do like the final recipe…
1. boil the seagull in water.
2. throw the water away.
3. continue boiling the seagull in fresh water.
4. throw the seagull away.
@Pie
Abso-effin’-lutely.
It’s all about ethics in parenting.
IP, way back:
Is that a reference to the awesome birdsrightsactivist on twitter? He seems to be on a crusade against John Olivegarden at the moment.
I might not hate Nickelback as much if the radio hadn’t played 2 or 3 Nickelback songs an hour from the time I was, I dunno, 10 or so. Damn you, CRTC!
This article has a click-bait-y headline, but it’s an interesting look at the classism that partly fuels some Nickelback hate. At the same time, it looks at how rock radio pushed out women,* as well as smaller acts, to make room for the Nickelbacks of the world.
http://www.stereogum.com/1877427/nickelback-won-the-90s-culture-war/franchises/weird-90s/
* Related autobiographical fact: I spent a few years of my childhood thinking that a male vocalist was a genre requirement for rock & roll.
Re: Bethesda games; I couldn’t tell you the names of two Skyrim characters, and FO3’s writing was a trainwreck, but I was pleasantly surprised by FO4. Piper’s fun, Cait’s story is surprisingly touching, and even minor baddies like Red Tourette are surprisingly memorable.
I always thought the MGTOW planet that Ripley winds up on in Alien 3 would be a good location for real life MGTOW. Too bad it’s fictional.
@Moggie
Hah! I haven’t checked the Birds Rights twitter in a while. I just feel like our trolls are the type of people who, if they were stuck on an island with only seagulls, would be constantly pestering the birbs, demanding a “debate”.
@Kat
That phrase is the gift that just keeps on giving, isn’t it?
IP:
…and then losing the debate.
Wait, is Matt Lauer on this island?
“Sailing is easy.”
No. No, it is not.
I once asked NWO, famed MB/WHTM troll of yore, why he felt so passionately that men should a) be given physical custody more often (I’ll note that he didn’t seem to understand that custody is not an either/or situation, and can in fact be shared) and b) should never have to pay child support. My thinking was, if you give a damn about your kids, you would want to support them if you can; and if you don’t care about your kids, why the hell would you want custody? And it can’t be all about the money, because if you have custody you obviously need to spend money on your children.
His answer was illuminating. Essentially, he felt that if he isn’t using it, he shouldn’t have to pay to maintain it. Like children are fancy cars and not, you know, human beings.
Sailing is easy. It’s the sailing-so-that-you-can-find-land-before-you-run-out-of-food-and-fresh-water that’s hard.
Pie,
Actually, because of ocean currents concentrating garbage, some of the most poisoned seabirds live in the middle of the oceans.
And those aren’t seagulls. They’re boobies. Most likely masked boobies with a few blue-footed boobies and brown boobies mixed in.
:O
They’re boobies?
You can never escape the gynocracy, mgtows! muahuahuahuahua!
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There’s an interesting blindspot that I’ve noticed in a certain kind of wannabe survivalist, which is declaring that almost every kinda of technical skill is basically straightforward and that their sort of omni-capable rugged individualistic frontiersperson would have no problem working it out on the fly. No need for training or practice. First aid, navigation and communication come up depressingly often in this context. I’m sure the same kind of people would laugh in your face if you declared that, say, hunting was easy (you just find a gun and shoot it at something you wanna eat, right?) but few other skills are held in such high regard.
@Holytape
Poisoned, sure, but not diseased. The difference is important in this case. They’ll be just jammed full of delicious, nutritious mercury, but that’ll take aaaages to kill you. In the timespan you’ll have between arriving on the island and being moved on by the French, you’ll probably have nothing worse than a chronic health condition that will blight you for years to come, and you might get away with much less severe problems (beyond the ones that drove you to live off seabirds in the middle of nowhere instead of taking any kind of responsibility for your life). What you won’t have, however, is the kind of nasty and acute and potentially fatal illness (such as botulism) that requires the birds to have ready access to human waste (of all the kinds).
I did make mention of the boobies of Clipperton earlier 😉 The original commentry was on seagulls, however, so I stuck with that term. I don’t imagine that the preparation is much different, or the flavor much nicer either way.
Pie:
When you STEM, everything else is trivial, right? I’ll have you know I can create whole worlds through programming, so I’m sure my manly brain can figure out simple stuff like what berries I can eat, or how to skin a tortoise.
Classic answer to “How do you survive on a deserted island?” “Pray that they misspelled dessert”
Oh my God, my eyes just glazed over pages and pages of arguing.