Earlier today, one apparently desperate MGTOW went to the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit to ask the regulars for advice on fleeing the country so he can skip out on paying alimony and child support.
Helpful commenters suggested various alternatives, from faking his own death to literally joining the French Foreign legion (turns out he’s too old for that). The OP is also considering the possibility of living “like Rambo, in the woods.”
But my favorite answer came from a dude living on a boat:
I would strongly urge all MGTOWs to consider this alternative. Any kind of boat or boat-like device will do — sailboat, rowboat, giant inflatable duck, pool noodle, you name it.
Aim for one of these islands and you’ll be sitting pretty in no time!
NOTE: Just so you know, the caption for the pic above is kind of a joke. Clipperton Island, a tiny smudge of an atoll 670 miles southwest of Mexico, has more than one tree. It also had birds.
And an abandoned tanker!
MGTOWs! Clipperton island calls for you!
@Sinkable
Same here, I tried everywhere, but everyplace just mutters “upkeep costs.” What does an uncircumcised man have to do to get some service?
Good luck with your paper, kid. I’m sure it’ll blow the gynocracy wide open. Scoot, now. Vite vite.
@Oogly
The women I date do keep asking if I have my foreskin before I even introduce myself, though. So at least it’s still a requirement and something I win at. I guess I should wear a t-shirt that states that yes, I do ?
Or would that be in poor taste with regards to Derp “FORESKIN” Moosh ?
@FoxKit
Should I rethink how my experience is informing any of my rhetoric? It’s a tough one to get right because I do oppose it, have not suffered because of it, and want to deal with the dishonest uses of circumcision in feminism related conflicts.
Any suggestions? I don’t deny that it should be challenged and ended, and in the context of needless surgical modifications of people without consent it is horrible. But I’m not aware of it having anything like the social impact of FGM.
I can’t wait to
eatread that paper.I think that Mesh Haberdashery is wanking here because we destroyed his “arguments” in the other thread. He had to abandon ship and start all over again here. When the hypergamy conversation didn’t work in his favor, he had to bring up circumcision here.
@Everyone who’s not a troll.
By the way, if the whole foreskin privilege shtick sounds insensitive, I’m sorry and I’ll stop if you want me to. I get sick of idiots equating circumcision to FGM and blaming feminism for it, so I wouldn’t be surprised if I sound like an asshole to anyone but myself right now.
@Sinkable John
I thought I smelled blood in the water (or is it the ghost of my foreskin?). He just can’t get that the mockery is directed at him and his use of circumcision, not people who don’t like circumcision.
“You let another person change your penis to the Early Jewish Standard when you were too young to fight back? Ewwww….” –idiot troll
Just take one random thing, go above and beyond the call about how it’s somehow damaging to men in general, and then all the points you rebut automatically lose. Get more and more strident, yell the same things louder if people disagree, thus proving that their points are incorrect. The more people disagree with you, the more likely you are to be correct, so never ever consider what people are trying to say. If there’s a way to take something out of context, and make it seem obviously bad, do that, and make sure it’s attributed to one of the people who disagree.
Right? Surely those are the right ways to win an argument.
@Ooglyboggles:
Yup. And apparently, so does he.
And he still doesn’t realize he’s being trolled right back…
BTW, I still have all my clitoris and labia, not to mention my clitoral hood…guess that makes me a misandrist, eh?
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@Milk and Cookies
TW: circumcision (both sexes) and a gruesome hypothetical
Can’t speak for anyone else, and I’m not very well versed on feminist viewpoints on these things. That said, yes. I don’t consider circumcision, of anyone’s genitals, to be sexual violence. It’s not the same as rape or sexual assault. It’s a different act
Violence, noun: the act of infringing upon the rights (don’t exist, yadda yadda) of another thru force or threat of same. ‘Sexual’ is a modifier to violence, it contextualizes intent. It’s the difference between simple battery and a hate crime. Now, for something to be sexual violence, the perpetrator has to be sexually motivated. Like if, say, a predator performed clitoridectomies on their victims
Circumcision for religious, cultural, traditional, etc reasons isn’t sexual violence. You may call it genital violence if it makes you feel better. Neither of my parents, nor the doctor (I hope), got me snipped as part of a kink. I don’t know why they did it, and i honestly don’t care. Not remitely rape tho
@Hu’s
1)Why even bring this up?
2)Don’t use the word Islamic like that
3)The timeframe for khitan varies. Infancy, childhood, adolescence, it depends
@John
Tiny bit…
@BIna
Kinda forgot the clitorial hood existed, tbh. I also kinda forgot that some female circumcision just removes the clitorial hood while other completely remove the clitoris all together. Removing just the clitorial hood isn’t as bad as cutting it off and is pretty much equal with penile circumcision, but there’s still the FGM that removes the entire thing, which I think is the more thought of one–or at least it’s what I think of when I think of it.
Anyway, all genital mutations on penis, vaginas and ambiguous genitalia is gross.
Nope, genital mutilation is just violence, plain and simple, nothing sexual about it.
Student: I’m going to be all controversial and blow my teacher’s mind!
Teacher: Didn’t study, huh?
Other Students: Does this idiot ever want to let someone else get a word in?
Student: Look at these sheeple sighing and drumming their fingers! Their body language tells me how impressed they are!
@Brony, Social Justice Cenobite
Goodness no, you were honest about what you thought and felt of it, you don’t need to color your own experiences for an argument’s sake. I feel there are enough medical arguments against circumcision that it should be done away with, but you don’t need me to help you form your own opinion about it. It certainly doesn’t have the social implications of female genital mutilation. Moreover, it’s usually done with good intentions, many people are led to believe that it’s the most healthy option for a child, despite many studies citing no impact or a negative heath impact from circumcisions. Every circumcised man I know has about your opinion of it–that it’s a thing that happened and that’s just the way you are now, no more, no less. Certainly not something that carries the trauma of sexual violence, aside from a few outlying cases. I have read a few studies about mutilations and the rare death caused by accidents during circumcision, and some psychological trauma from that would be entirely expected, but I don’t think it’s the norm.
@FoxKit
Good to know. I did not think that your comment was directed at me, but I do care about strategy and thought I would ask.
Handsome “Punkle Stan” Jack:
Yeah, you see it a lot with these types. They don’t know what the words mean, but they try to use them anyway. In a video game discussion a guy tried to say that because the video game Tomb Raider (the recent reboot) had Lara fighting only men on the island, it was gendered violence against men. It’s hard to take people seriously when they do that.
@Axe
Yeah I’m done with that then, thanks.
I think Hu’s On First brought it up because the age would matter. As in, infants don’t have a choice, adolescents do ? Could be wrong, maybe they meant something else. At any rate it’s still arguable at best though. Besides if I’m reading Merck Derbs’ figures right, they seem to relate to the US only, so that’s irrelevant anyway.
@Tessa
I’d never heard of that claim before, but it reminds me why I don’t play online anymore unless I’m absolutely sure that I’m only gonna be playing with like-minded people. Got sick of people randomly bringing up Anita Sarkeesian to spew shit about her instead of focusing and shooting straight.
@Tessa
Yeah, that has more to do with developers not wanting to make women in games because “women are haaaaaaard to animate”. I mean, men and woman walk exactly the same, just slap a lady model with male movement, done. But I guess they just HAVE to have them SASHAY and, I don’t know, have the boobs jiggle, because just how else would you know they’re women? It’s just such an inconvenience. /s
You know, Bethesda might have buggy games with big concepts but shallow execution, but they make it so both men and women are enemies. Same with a lot of the latest Bioware games. It’s fucking amazing how Bethesda and EA can have games with women enemies but other places can’t, for some reason.
But, to be serious, I’m pretty sure if they did that as a conscious decision and not being just assholes, it’s likely to make Laura seem more “vulnerable” or some shit, make the player feel more fragile because, you know, women are fragile as fuck. That’s why a lot of horror protagonist in third person survival games are women. You know, instead of identifying and wanting to protect the avatar because it’s you and you identify with them, you make them a pretty, young woman so the presumed straight male audience automatically wants to protect her. It’s dumb and gross.
@Jack
Are you deadpan sarcastically disagreeing with me? Am I missing something?
@John
Your guess is as good as mine
Seriously. Though, y’know what sticks in my craw about Fallout 4? For all the well-written, often quite badass women in the supporting and minor cast – including quite a few raider leaders and other antagonists – there are only four female companions, and two of them are robots. Meanwhile, there are like six or seven companions who are white dudes.
@Brony, Social Justice Cenobite
Why is it that the only strategy I can seem to think of is “My penis is #NotYourShield!”?
I really do give terrible advice.
@FoxKit
So it’s a Cock Block?
@FoxKit & Oogly
I laughed so much, thank you thank you thank you. I feel a lot less cranky now.
In other news, there appears to be a Trump drive-by troll on the other thread. Tonight just doesn’t seem to end.
@Axe
No, I’m agreeing with you. I can see how it might have came off as deadpan sarcasm, which is actually really funny because that’s my usual sarcasm style that is actually almost completely unreadable in text without being really facetious and thus no longer really deadpan. But, no, I’m agreeing that it’s not sexual violence.
@Diptych
I actually haven’t gotten Fallout 4 because one) I don’t have anything that will play it, and two) I’d rather wait for the $20 GOTY edition you can get in a few years, so I don’t have super strong opinions on anything about it yet. However, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt, one of those white dudes was a robot all along and there is a black guy, plus you got a robobutler that can call you Fuckface. /s
It’s just most Bethesda games I’ve played are big concepts with shallow execution, like Skyrim or Fallout 3. I mean, I love them to death (FO3 not so much) but, come on, you can do better. I believe in you, Bethesda, prove to me you can do it.
@Ooglyboggles
Oh, you!
@John