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On 9/11, Trump boasted that he now owned the tallest building in lower Manhattan

Trump: Always working his brand
Trump: Always working his brand

There’s a rather telling detail in a piece in Politico on the reactions of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton to the attacks on 9/11.

In a television interview only a few hours after the twin towers collapsed in flames, Trump managed to work in a strange little boast about his real-estate empire:

“40 Wall Street,” he said, referring to his 71-story building blocks away from the now-collapsed twin towers, “actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan …  And now it’s the tallest.”

Trump will always be Trump, I guess.

But the Politico story does note that aside from this little bit of brand-building, Trump was actually rather restrained in his response that day, at least by normal Trumpian standards:

A decade and a half before pledging to “bomb the shit out of” ISIS and proposing a deportation force and a Muslim ban, Trump didn’t talk about retribution or leap to conclusions about who was responsible. In fact, he avoided identifying potential enemies—any terrorist organization or Muslims in general. 

We live in what is, in many ways, a much uglier America today, and Trump has been one of the leading enablers of this ugliness.

As Mic noted in a post yesterday, Islamophobia is much worse today than it was on 9/11/2001, and hate crimes against Muslims are on the upswing.

Immediately after 9/11, there was a significant rise in anti-Muslim activity.According to the FBI, in 2001 anti-Islamic hate crimes spiked by 1,600 percent with 481 incidents. CAIR noted another surge in 2006 — the reason for it remains unclear. Another spike followed the Park51 controversy in 2010, in which New York City considered building a Muslim community center and mosque near Ground Zero.

But the highest concentration of anti-Muslim crimes came at the end of 2015. According to CAIR’s latest report, 78 mosques were targeted for vandalism that year — more incidents than they had documented in any one year since they started tracking in 2009. Compare this to 2014, when CAIR only documented 22 similar incidents, or 2013, when they documented 20. The 2015 spike came after the attacks at the Charlie Hebdo headquarters in Paris and around the same time Donald Trump infamously proposed that the country should ban Muslims from entering until we “figure out what’s going on.”

Similarly, the Southern Poverty Law Center found that in 2014 while the rate of hate crimes overall had fallen compared with the previous year, hate crimes against Muslims saw a 14 percent increase.

Emphasis mine.

The vicious attacks against Muslims have continued apace this year. The latest: an attack on two Muslim mothers in Brooklyn last Thursday. The New York Daily News reports:

A bigoted Brooklyn woman launched a sickening attack on two Muslim women pushing their babies in strollers — punching them in the face and trying to pull off their hijabs, prosecutors said Friday.

Emirjeta Xhelili, 32, hurled Islamophobic insults as she pounced on the two victims near her Bath Beach home about 1:30 p.m. Thursday, authorities said.

“Get the f–k out of here,” Xhelili, 32, allegedly yelled at the pair, according to prosecutors. “Get the f–k out of America, b—–s.” 

Brooklyn prosecutors said her attack included an attempt to knock over a stroller carrying a 15-month-old baby.

Happily, the baby (and both mothers) are ok, and Xhelili was quickly arrested.

The alleged attacker is, of course, a Trump supporter. The Daily News notes that

Her vile social media musings include several bizarre tweets cheering the candidacy of Donald Trump.

“America is the ark of Noah,” one reads. “Trump’s gonna win.”

Such is life in America fifteen years after 9/11.

H/T — Raw Story/Liberaland for highlighting the Trump quote.

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Richard Smith
Richard Smith
4 years ago

My grandfather was an engineer, originally for the British Navy, then for the Canadian government. Of course, when you’re very young, some words, such as “engineer,” tend to have very specific connotations. I recall feeling somewhat disappointed when I learned that he didn’t drive a train.

PeeVee the Sarcastic
PeeVee the Sarcastic
4 years ago

I’m torn between the call of the mig being tech support

I alerted a friend to Migg’s posts, and she said the same thing!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
4 years ago

I love how All That Jazz doesn’t realize that he too is being supported by “government welfare”, paid for by the rest of us who work hard at our jobs and don’t demand a cookie for it. Clean air, safe water, safe medications, waste disposal, roads, sidewalks, lighting, public parks, buildings that are up to code, police and fire protection – all of that is paid for with our collective tax dollars, by everyone from CEOs to the hotel workers and fast food workers and janitors that All About That Bass looks down on.

Whenever libertarians start waxing euphoric about their amazing bootstrap selves, I wish we could ban them from using any of the above services. Have fun clearing, grading, paving, striping and maintaining your own roads, you lone genius, you.

Also love the assumption that having a “thing” to show for your work (a big tall building, a machine, a slain mammoth) is superior to working with people or ideas. You’d think electrical engineers would be more capable of abstract thought.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

Re: jet fuel

The next time someone says jet fuel can’t melt steel point out that those planes will have also been carrying the mind control drugs they use in chemtrails and that stuff’s really flammable.

Shaenon
4 years ago

It seems a shame to interject facts into such an entertaining discussion, but just for the record, the highest minimum wage in the U.S. is $11.50/hr in Washington, DC. Over half the states stick to the federally mandated minimum wage of $7.50. Nowhere in the U.S. is the minimum wage remotely close to $27, although if it had kept up with inflation it would be over $20 today.

John Galt can rest easy; working-class Americans are in no danger of being paid a living wage.

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

numerobis:

I’m torn between the call of the mig being tech support, or a teenager.

Who mistypes their age, anyway? Perhaps someone who changed their mind about what age to pretend to be?

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
4 years ago

Who mistypes their age, anyway? Perhaps someone who changed their mind about what age to pretend to be?

Someone so unbelievably angry that they’re operating largely from reflex twitches, I imagine.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

If Mr Miggs comes back, maybe he can enlighten me. See, my cousin went to school for electrical engineering. But he wound up taking a job with the state. Is he A Very Important And Productive Man because of his education? Or is he a lazy moocher because government employees don’t work?

He’s a white cishet male, so not an affirmative action hire. If that helps at all.

I just want to know who is and is not a contributing member of society. That seems like important information.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

I started laughing at my desk today about “I’ll have you know, I’m 329 years old!” I hope my coworkers didn’t notice. It’s still funny. It’s even funnier that our mockery about this caused him to tantrum even harder.

Fabe
Fabe
4 years ago

Who mistypes their age, anyway? Perhaps someone who changed their mind about what age to pretend to be?

Honestly ,I think he was so angry when he was typing that message that he didn’t realize he hit a extra key.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

the highest minimum wage in the U.S. is $11.50/hr in Washington, DC

Seattle recently voted in a $15/hr wage but our ridiculous bureaucracy has created this complicated phase-in plan that has it currently at $10.50 – $12.50 depending on the employer type (if I understand the plan correctly) and it should reach $15 in roughly 423 years. (I kid, but by the time it reaches $15 it will be too late to actually help the people currently being forced out of their homes due to gentrification and skyrocketing real estate values.) You can read more here: http://murray.seattle.gov/minimumwage/#sthash.G9d5vWDK.keyK2xAW.dpbs

(((Hambeast))) Now With Extra Parentheses
(((Hambeast))) Now With Extra Parentheses
4 years ago

Alan – But is a nym really the same as pretending to be someone?

Agnes/Perdita was a character I could identify with (and goodness knows there aren’t many of those!) because she was fat, had good hair, and could sing. And I was a witch back then* as well as being a two-faced Gemini. It was like someone told PTerry about me. As for Perdita as an alter ego, she never got out much and neither does my “vain, selfish and vicious side.”

*When I first read the book, that is. My birthday hasn’t changed, so I guess I’m still a Gemini.

Neremanth, 329 year old Contributor to Society
Neremanth, 329 year old Contributor to Society
4 years ago

Wow, this thread! At first I was just horrified by what Sinkable John described happening to his Muslim neighbours, but then it took a turn for the hilarious. “I am 329 years old” is just a classic, even if it almost certainly was a case of “I am 30 years old… oh, wait, no, not for another few months, I’m still 29”. And I knew we have plenty of people here with jobs that are commonly respected, so I expected him* to be thoroughly smacked down on his own terms in addition to having those terms taken apart, but POM’s urban planner response was just too perfect.

On the subject of Contributing to Society, I couldn’t agree more with what Anarchonist and Hambeast said about minimum wage earners. I’d like to address this part:

I keep up all the useless breeders in society

This attitude always really annoys me, because it never seems to have occurred to people who say this to imagine what the world would be like if no-one after them had any children. Many decades later, when everyone still alive is over 90, who is going to grow food and provide healthcare, not to mention all the other things which enable our quality of life? (I mean, it’s not that 90 year olds are incapable of any of this – my 95 year old grandpa still grows his own fruit and vegetables, for example – but it’s got to be harder for them and in any case, do they really want to be forced to continue full time jobs rather than being able to enjoy retirement?) Yes, I know that plenty of people have kids and work, probably not falling under these people’s definition of “useless breeders”; but I still maintain that if someone only brings up children (and/or gestates them) that is very much a contribution, and I am very happy for them to be publicly subsidised. (So long as they are doing it because they want to and not in order to receive the money, but I say that just to be clear and not because I think that is something that happens at all commonly. Even then, my issue with it would be that that probably makes for an unloving environment for the kids to grow up in, rather than fraud.) I say this as someone who still doesn’t know if she’ll ever have children (I don’t know if I want them, and I’m old enough, at almost 35, that if I don’t come to definitely want them soon and do something about it, the moment may have passed at least for conceiving my own children, though of course that’s not the only route), and is very glad that other people are prepared to take on the hard work involved.

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants – LOL! I thought of Captain Haddock too. (Though he, for all his flaws, was definitely a much nicer character than the latest troll.)

Lastly, I’m a bit miffed because my dad’s a (mechanical) engineer. How dare the troll come here and make engineers look bad!

*I’m assuming he’s male, as I think he said he was a MGTOW? Or was it just that he, possibly ironically, referenced MGTOWism in his username, and I’ve fallen into the same trap as him? Anyway, apologies if I’ve got that wrong.

Neremanth, 329 year old Contributor to Society
Neremanth, 329 year old Contributor to Society
4 years ago

(Hooray, changing my name got me a new gravatar icon! I wasn’t terribly keen on the colour or pattern of the old one. I think it’s amusingly fitting that naming myself after a troll who opened with the claim that leftists couldn’t see shades of grey resulted in a black and white design.)

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
4 years ago

Regarding the troll’s meltdown, more serendipity ! [Totally NSFW]

Yes, I’m rereading a bunch of webcomics.

Penny Psmith
Penny Psmith
4 years ago

@kupo:

back in the 2000s I had a sound card that had an option to record everything that’s playing through the speakers and I would use that to record music off CDs before I had a program that could rip them. My alert sound was set to Homer Simpson saying d’oh and I would usually catch it and start over, but there was one track where I missed it and so I came to expect “d’oh!” when listening to that song.

I… I think I might have Napstered or Kazaaed it off you? I cannot remember which song it was, that my sister and I downloaded, but remember it had something like that, at the beginning. Or maybe not a “d’oh” but an “uh-oh”?
No, wait, I remembered! It was a sneeze! Great big sneeze right at the start of the music. I wonder how that got there. Maybe the same way as your “d’oh”.
Gonna drive me nuts now, that I can’t remember which song it was. But if I ever hear it again, I know it’ll sound weird without that damn sneeze.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
4 years ago

Buttercup Q. Skullpants gets, like, a billion points for referencing Captain Haddock from Adventures of Tin-Tin.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@Penny
I didn’t use Napster but I did send that file to a few people, so who knows? Though it was definitely a “d’oh” and towards the end of the song. Can’t remember which dong, though.

numerobis
numerobis
4 years ago

Movie:

Who mistypes their age, anyway?

I never know my age anymore. I need to recalculate it every time.

Penny Psmith
Penny Psmith
4 years ago

@kupo

No, I realised as I was typing that it wasn’t your “d’oh” but a sneeze. So probably not the same song.
Wish I could remember which song it was, though! Maybe my sister will remember.

Simon Hales
4 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw:

XKCD got there first with your merging of two conspiracy theories 🙂

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/jet_fuel.png

KittyCartel
KittyCartel
4 years ago

@Alan, RE: Jet Fuel/Chemtrails

I can’t remember if I read it on here or another site, but I recall someone saying that their way of dealing with conspiracy theorists was to try to out conspiracy them. It back fired one day when the person came up with a weird lie (about the moon I think?) and the conspiracy guy sat down and wanted to know more.

I’d be afraid that by bringing up chemtrails I would start them into an even more weird and complicated story.

@TheGreatAndPowerfulMig

Come back! I’m only 267 years old, you have so much to teach me! I wonder if you think my job is a drain on society? Please feel free to speculate on my life, I’m very curious to see what you come up with.

(I’m posting from work instead of my laptop so I don’t know if the site will recognize me)

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ kittycartel

I was trying to illustrate to a friend the impossibility of the U.S. Government being able to keep a secret by referencing the fact that the New York Times reported on the Bay of Pigs invasion two weeks before it happened.

She took that as proof that the government does in fact brief the media in advance as to all its conspiracies and that’s why the BBC were able to report the collapse of WTC Building 7 before it actually fell down. 🙂

ETA: T-Rex (in cool shades) flying an F-14!!!!! Where’s that from?

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@Alan
Your question wasn’t directed at me, but I recognize that T-Rex so I thought I’d fill you in. It’s from the second greatest comic strip of all time (the first being The Far Side).

http://rptd.ch/misc/funny/calvin_hobbes_trex_jet.jpg

Dalillama
Dalillama
4 years ago

@kupo

I kid, but by the time it reaches $15 it will be too late to actually help the people currently being forced out of their homes due to gentrification and skyrocketing real estate values.)

That’s actually a separate problem, only tangentially related to wages

KittyCartel
KittyCartel
4 years ago

Kupo is right on the money! I love the Far Side too, when we had to put our dog down when I was in middle school all I did was read those comics for about a week straight.

John Calvin and Thomas Hobbes:
http://img01.deviantart.net/f73b/i/2007/300/2/d/john_calvin_and_thomas_hobbes_by_spacecoyote.jpg

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ kupo & kittycartel

I should have guessed. Calvin is a bit of a role model to me. And I love Far Side. Use a lot of them in the animal rights stuff.

“Remember me? Kenya 1965?” etc.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

@kupo

Can’t remember which dong, though.

Thousand dong stare? :p

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
4 years ago

And the deer in the woods, berating itself to think, think who could possibly have a motive to be coming after it …

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

Here’s something I thought you guys might find amusing. For reasons I’m having to go through some old Al Qaeda documents. I’ve just got to a bit in the translation where they refer to Fox News.

How bad is your news organisation that Al Qaeda think you’re dodgy?!

2- The Issue of preparing for the Tenth Anniversary, and how it will be marketed in the Media, and How to Exploit the Media in General: As far as the American channel that could be used to deliver our messages, whether on the tenth anniversary or before or after, in my personal opinion there are no distinct differences between

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the channels from the standpoint of professionalism and neutrality. It is all as the Shaykh has stated (close to professionalism and neutrality) it has not and will not reach the perfect professionalism and neutrality, only if God wants that. From the professional point of view, they are all on one level except (Fox News) channel which falls into the abyss as you know, and lacks neutrality too.

As for the neutrality of CNN in English, it seems to be in cooperation with the government more than the others (except Fox News of course).

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

One of the worst things the Tory government have done is to ruin things for volunteer workers, especially those in the arts and charities. For very many people, experience is a steppingstone to bigger things, and as most libraries, museums and galleries are non profit, they like to employ students and hobbyists who are passionate about the subject matter. For example, local geological museum has a couple of paid full timers and a lot of passionate amateurs, and after I graduated, I started volunteering at the Pallant gallery in Chichester, who greatly appreciated the time I put in. All the libraries on the IOW are now run by retired people. The problem now is that people doing this kind of work whilst claiming JSA are being told that they have to make themselves available for paid work, even if it is Workfare or a zero hour position, thus providing a multinational like Tesco, Starbucks or McDonald’s with a worker they don’t even have to pay, whilst robbing a charity of a dedicated and valuable team member. Being told that you have removed yourself from the jobs market by volunteering, at this risk of sanctions and being sent on mandatory courses run by quangos is counter productive. The same thing happens to people who work in charity shops, as well as helpers for special needs clients and on arts projects. When Cameron was crowing about the ‘Big Society’ and volunteer work, he only meant that people who had retired and had money in the bank. What he got wrong was the volunteers would be young people, wanting to do something they love to benefit society rather than chasing paid employment with industries which do not fulfill them, and which take advantage of them.

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