Ladies! Do you feel a bit twitchy? Is the hair on the back of your neck standing up? Don’t worry — that just means that Reddit’s MGTOWs are talking about you again.
On the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit the regulars are trying to figure out whether women enjoy sex as much as men. Or at all.
The general consensus? Women aren’t really into sex — unless it’s with the mythical Chad Thunderc*ck.
“The more I learn about them,” writes original poster psychomantis01,
the stronger the impression I get that [women] are only really interested in childbearing, money, and companionship. It seems to me, as somebody here once put it, they are only really in love with the ‘idea of being in love’, and not in love with the actual man himself.
Spoken like a man who’s never spoken to a woman.
NuclearTruthBomb agrees.
If women actually loved sex as much as men, they’d be approaching men everywhere, watch porn everyday, and frequently visit male prostitutes.
Of course, they may swoon over the occasional Chad. But realize they are only turned on by upper echelon of men. We only need a woman to be attractive…if even that.
Zombocom1911 reports that women definitely don’t have any interest in having sex … with him:
Women are always saying they love sex but in my experience they are completely f**king frigid and really low sex drive unless you are already having sex with them. They never, ever really ACTIVELY pursue or initiate sex with a stranger because they really just don’t care about it, unless its to get something out of a man, like love, affection, dinners, cards, romance.
They are so completely disinterested in sex and stuck up about it , it makes me f**king sick. This is why they can charge such a heavy price for it, because they really don’t want it and really don’t need it.
A top 5% male like Chad Thundercock may have pussy literally thrown at him though. I am not him, so I wouldn’t know.
As Reddit’s MGTOWs see it, even if women aren’t into sex, it’s pretty much all they have to offer men. As Oldredder puts it:
Outside of sex women have nothing to offer. Most of what they talk about is completely boring, unintellectual or, worse, is catty nonsense and pride in being a cheating slut.
Bartand offers a similarly bitter take:
The only reason they enjoy sex at the beginning is because it is their only way to be loved since they have nothing else to offer. Then later she start to wonder if you like her for more than sex so she start to cut off sex.
As Flaye2 sees it, women use their lack of interest in sex as a weapon against men in the ongoing war of the sexes:
Women seem to have lower drives and they use that to control men. Wives would cut off the sex but at the same time not allow him to satisfy him urges elsewhere, that is evil.
But most of the regulars agree that women do get tingly for Chad.
“With men well above their sexual league, they unreservedly enjoy it,” writes feedmecarrots.
With men in their league, who they are using sex with as a manipulative tool, they can’t enjoy it. It is too much like work.
Not all of the commenters are convinced that women hate sex.
“I’m kind of surprised reading the comments,” writes Antingly, one of the only contributors to the discussion who sounds like he might have actually had sex with an actual living human female.
Sure, some girls seem like they don’t enjoy sex that much, but, some girls will black out during an orgasm. I’m sorry, but I have never experienced anything like that – even when it was really good.
A fellow called givecake, somewhat unexpectedly, offers his fellow MGTOWs some tips in the fine art of lady pleasing.
If you ever wanted to please a woman sexually, it doesn’t hurt to stimulate all 3 areas at the same time.
In case any MGTOWs are reading this post, a quick reminder: The “3 areas” he’s speaking of are the right knee, the left nostril, and the visitors’ center at the Beaver Dam Rest Stop south of Owensboro, Kentucky.
Givecake continues:
Obviously, use your best hand for clitoral stimulation.
The clitoris can be found just inside the left nostril, if the woman in question is right-handed. If she’s left-handed, the clit will be located behind the information desk in the visitor’s center at the aforementioned Beaver Dam rest stop.
Don’t expect her to ever consider doing anything like this amount of work for you.
For one thing, most women don’t have arms long enough to reach all the way to Kentucky.
The MGTOW subreddit really is one of the saddest places on planet earth.
@SJ
You seem more grandiose than optimistic; you seem to think that text on a screen actually has the capacity to place me into a world of pain! It’s fine, I can leave if you want.
@Axe
That’s an actual question.
@Bina
Must. Resist. Semi. Witty. Retort!
I think you’ve got your dinner party conversation flashcards and your sci fi prompt flashcards all jumbled up.
@SJ
Oh don’t you get me started on legs. Or ASMR. Or cuddles, especially the cuddles. Or cuddles with head scratches oh ye-
No, no bad Oogly don’t start ogling in your head that’s impolite.
@SR
Dude please, SJ actually gave you a response that is reasonable. Singularity/Rapture is not happening anything soon or any time layer. We’re not going to be uplifted by a Messiah, metal or otherwise. We’d be better off making right now much better.
I’ll take a guess if you didn’t already said in the thread that you are an atheist, yay that’s two things we have in common. Going off that since we don’t believe in an afterlife that we should make this life better? Especially when this life so far seems to be the only one people experience?
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/thepokemonshow/images/7/7e/Fluttershy_ID_S4E16.png
Logical rulers do not make good rulers.
It is highly likely that money and power would “go to their head”. By our current understanding of these sorts of systems, it certainly would.
We are currently living in amidst the Accelerando, and I don’t see any singularity on the horizon. Kurzweil has some interesting points but he’s certainly not the be-all or end-all authority on the topic.
Do you have any idea about this stuff, or are you leaning on science fiction here?
Personally I welcome our loudly-buzzing internal-combustion-engine-powered philosopher kings. They’ve proven that they can gallop and turn. That surely makes them the masters of pure logic and the natural overlords of humanity.
Anyone who says “robot” when what they clearly mean is “AI” is not just leaning on science fiction, but being completely supported by it.
Yep, shoulda known you were another overly literal type.
Since this needs to be explained more clearly : we really don’t care whether you stay or leave. We deal with trolls on a daily basis, especially these days, and you ain’t exactly the most entertaining one we’ve seen either. Sure Jack and I got things to add to our names from your crap, but that was days ago. You’ve pretty much used up your entertainment value by now. And as you may not have noticed, we’re still capable of conducting other discussions while we deal with you.
Now I personally think there might be hope for you. I’m really extending a hand here. I also see that Scildfreja just got here. Scildfreja is much kinder to trolls than they deserve. Up to you to show us that we’re doing this for a reason. You wanna have an intelligent discussion, you’ll have it. But you’ve got some basics to learn first, and that includes shedding the rationaldudebro superiority complex.
And by the way, just in case, if you’re the sort to think you’re gonna get any kicks out of making us lose our shit on the internet, then think again. You don’t troll hard enough. No one does. There’s a reason the trolls are fed here. Up to you to prove that you can be more than a troll.
@SR
It’s not Twister, cupcake. You don’t have to “hit” them all at the same time.
Further, men also have more than 3 “spots”. People are, in fact, with some exceptions, possessed of entire bodies which are capable of sensation. Sorry (not sorry) if I just flipped your entire worldview on its head.
See above.
If you viewed the world through a lens of what’s actually real instead of this ludicrous mythology that the manosphere has sold you, things would be a lot less confusing.
No. The problem is men learning everything they think they know about women from other men while disregarding how actual women who actually exist actually behave and what those women have to say about themselves. You believe horseshit like the stuff in the OP and then when a woman behaves like an individual and doesn’t follow your script, you’re confused. And instead updating your worldview to account for new information, you add even more rationalizations onto the already convoluted, not-even-wrong, mess.
That’s…not how evolution works, diddums. Traits don’t need to have a “purpose” to survive evolution. They just need to not kill individuals faster than the population can reproduce.
Further, if “more than 3” is labyrinthine…I dunno what to tell you, bro. Go back to preschool, maybe? I promise, whole new vistas will open up for you if you learn to count all the way to 10.
No no, Seven, it’s like starting a car. You need to turn the key, foot on the break, while you’re holding in the clutch. If you don’t do that you’ll stall out and –
oh, wait, women. Not cars.
See, you need to put your knee on the guard and push the primer button three times, then pull the –
no, that’s chainsaws.
Okay, I’ve got it. Women are chainsaws. ITALLMAKESSENSENOW
@John, I’m drunk and doing science. Drunk science. It’s the best kind of science. So when it comes to trolls I’m not really in this mood:
Kinda more in this mood:
@Scildfreja
That may or may not explain my unusual kindness this morning. Apparently it transferred to a new host ?
OHMYGOD THIS IS AN EVIL KINDNESS PARASITE
Here, peeps, have some quickie doodles to embarrass myself with.
Here’s a 60 year old punkrawk Stan.
http://i.imgur.com/4bXFjfF.png
And here you see Stan with is terrible influence of a boyfriend, Rick. They’re in college, or something, Rick helped Stan get his GED and gave him a lot of pointers in studying to help him with the physics to do that dealie in the basement of the Mystery Shack or whatever. Rick pounds Stan’s ass daily.
http://i.imgur.com/tasrH1h.png
They’re both terribly drawn and colored gaybies. I did the minimum.
And thank you, Sedwhatever, for opening my eyes to the world of Punkle Stan.
One day I will figure out how to draw him and Rick, then you’ll see, YOU’LL SEE HIS FULL GLORY! The internet won’t know what hit it.
Okay the internet will, but, like, whatever.
(Also, sorry–Alex Hirsch, if you stumble upon this–not sorry, you knew this would happen someday. Justin Roiland deserves it.)
I’m not above drawing cartoon porn to annoy trolls.
@OoglyBoogles
I was responding to a completely different comment than the one you’re referencing.
At times I question the notion that progress (how do you define that?) will somehow lead to greater happiness amongst humans. It appears that no matter how much people progress materially, they will inevitably grow dissatisfied and demand even more out of life. People generally seem incapable of being happy, and it would appear that we live in a world which provides no opportunities for lasting happiness; why do materially wealthy countries need so many self-help books, anyway? Perhaps instead of making the world better since we only have one life, people shouldn’t breed to begin with.
But hey, if progress is your cup of tea, I’m not stopping you.
@all of you
Okay, so it seems that robots aren’t exactly equipped for the task of good governance. We’ll just scrap that idea.
“I know all about women! They hate sex! And I know women hate sex because I’ve had sex with multiple women, and they’ve always hated it and said afterwards that it was the worst experience of their lives!”
I see we’ve reached the weary-of-life, old-soul, ennui masturbation stage. Wake me when we reach hipsterism.
@sevenofmine
I really don’t hang with the manosphere, so I wouldn’t say that they’ve “sold” me anything.
Not being oppressed because of the group you were born into and being happy as an individual are not the same thing.
Also, happiness is pretty ill defined and a lot more situational than people think. It’s actually kind of silly to try and label anyone as happy or not happy IMO.
Progress (both technological and social) may not make everyone happy all the time, but it can reduce needless suffering.
There’s so much wrong in that statement that I don’t know what to begin with. Okay, first, the obvious.
Gonna use the word that all uber-rationalists loathe : privilege. That sentence reeks of it. First – there’s a lot of difference between demanding ever more out of life and demanding basic dignity. Do you have any idea what progress means to people who are not white cishet dudes ? Of course you don’t. You almost literally said it.
So there you have a definition : progress is that which steers humanity in a direction that benefits ALL of us, not just those who drew the lucky privilege hand. The fact that you don’t understand that, that you think “people already have all they need, why want more ?” demonstrates that you’re such a lucky one. Good for you.
Watch me. I’m a 24 yr old alcoholic who’s struggled with crippling depression for most of my life. I rely on marijuana just to sleep – born insomniac. I almost died abusing stronger drugs in my teenage years. Y’know what ? I still know where my happiness lies. You wanna know where your mistake is ? Listening to MGTOW rhetoric and the like. Bitter angry people who will never look at themselves in any other light than the tragic heroes they wish to be, and blame everything on others. Those people include but are not limited to MGTOW. Go out and see the world. Meet people. Spend time with them, learn to love them, learn to make yourself loveable – I guarantee you’ll realize that happiness is in fact attainable and lasting.
You’re looking at those books thinking society needs them. That’s not true. You’d do well to look at the people who write those books in the first place instead. You might come to another realization.
@Policy of Madness
Soon, I shall have entire masses falling asleep as I languidly engage in self-absorbed diatribes like a diet Schopenhauer. I advise you stop me before my power level reaches deadly heights.
Sorry to break your zen, but it’s my meds putting me to sleep, not you. You’re not even good for that much. All you’re doing is cluttering up a thread. You have no special wisdom and no actual trolling powers. I’d ask what you’re getting out of this that makes you keep doing it, but I’m not actually interested in the answer.
In addition, technological progress removes necessary evils.
While social progress removes unnecessary evils.
@SR
To define what progress means to me, I will start by the official definition via google:
In this case I am talking about societal progress, social, economic, political progress. Combine the two and that means societal progress towards a destination, a particular form of society.
The society I want, is the one that helps everyone, that won’t treat you like dirt for things you can’t change or lesser for not being as good as the person next to you. A society that helps the common man and woman back on their feet to pursue whatever interests them so long as they don’t harm anyone else. A society that’s tech and infrastructure has ensured the comforts of man, the preservation of wildlife and the preservation of the earth until its inevitable demise. A society that no longer discriminates based on who you are of whatever spiritual system of belief, or lack thereof you prescribe to. That what I think progress is, that is what I believe progress to be, what it should be, and what it can be.
This is how progress makes people happier, it allows people to not face discrimination based on who they are and hinders those who keep trying to make sure the “Other” is kept down as much as possible. It allows people to pursue careers that before they couldn’t be able to either because they didn’t have the time or the proper education or the means to pursue that goal. And with more people able to be happy, along the way there is ALOT of money to be made. Kindness is profitable if you want to be cold about it.
I do not believe what you say to generally unhappy to be true. Yes we all have our problems, ask any poster here, their weren’t exactly all roses and sunshine, but that doesn’t mean we can’t be happy ever or even rarely. To say something like that, you would need to give me actual sources showing that the general level of happiness and satisfaction in the human populace is generally low.
The alternative to self help books for many is often times some people endure complete misery as their untreated mental illnesses consume and ruin their lives because they lack the support network to help them through their problems. Some people feel lost in a system that is catered to the already powerful, and not so much everyone else.
Older times before the establishment of mental disorders and the means to help people manage, was often either asylum with horrible conditions, ostracized from society or simply left to die. I find the self help books and institutions to help people cope with their problems to be a better alternative.
Why people have kids is up to the couple to decide. To say “instead of improvements to the building, just don’t build things”, feels entirely reductive and pointless to even consider as it disregards the basic instincts of all life.
I hope we can see eye to eye on this. So far in my time you seem alot more amiable than the other trolls I’ve seen and interacted with on this site. Please don’t end up like them, bitter at people living their lives and dedicating themselves to self destructive habits that drag everyone else down with them.
@Everyone Else
Am I being too sentimental here? I’m honestly feeling a sense of hurt, and I don’t know why.
@Snowberry
I really, really like how you put it. *takes notes*
ooo, Snowbs, that’s good.
@SJ
I read your comment and I’ll think about it. I’m sorry for making you bring all of that up. I think I’ll leave for now.
@OoglyBoogles
I’ll have to read that later. Thank you.