Ladies! Do you feel a bit twitchy? Is the hair on the back of your neck standing up? Don’t worry — that just means that Reddit’s MGTOWs are talking about you again.
On the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit the regulars are trying to figure out whether women enjoy sex as much as men. Or at all.
The general consensus? Women aren’t really into sex — unless it’s with the mythical Chad Thunderc*ck.
“The more I learn about them,” writes original poster psychomantis01,
the stronger the impression I get that [women] are only really interested in childbearing, money, and companionship. It seems to me, as somebody here once put it, they are only really in love with the ‘idea of being in love’, and not in love with the actual man himself.
Spoken like a man who’s never spoken to a woman.
NuclearTruthBomb agrees.
If women actually loved sex as much as men, they’d be approaching men everywhere, watch porn everyday, and frequently visit male prostitutes.
Of course, they may swoon over the occasional Chad. But realize they are only turned on by upper echelon of men. We only need a woman to be attractive…if even that.
Zombocom1911 reports that women definitely don’t have any interest in having sex … with him:
Women are always saying they love sex but in my experience they are completely f**king frigid and really low sex drive unless you are already having sex with them. They never, ever really ACTIVELY pursue or initiate sex with a stranger because they really just don’t care about it, unless its to get something out of a man, like love, affection, dinners, cards, romance.
They are so completely disinterested in sex and stuck up about it , it makes me f**king sick. This is why they can charge such a heavy price for it, because they really don’t want it and really don’t need it.
A top 5% male like Chad Thundercock may have pussy literally thrown at him though. I am not him, so I wouldn’t know.
As Reddit’s MGTOWs see it, even if women aren’t into sex, it’s pretty much all they have to offer men. As Oldredder puts it:
Outside of sex women have nothing to offer. Most of what they talk about is completely boring, unintellectual or, worse, is catty nonsense and pride in being a cheating slut.
Bartand offers a similarly bitter take:
The only reason they enjoy sex at the beginning is because it is their only way to be loved since they have nothing else to offer. Then later she start to wonder if you like her for more than sex so she start to cut off sex.
As Flaye2 sees it, women use their lack of interest in sex as a weapon against men in the ongoing war of the sexes:
Women seem to have lower drives and they use that to control men. Wives would cut off the sex but at the same time not allow him to satisfy him urges elsewhere, that is evil.
But most of the regulars agree that women do get tingly for Chad.
“With men well above their sexual league, they unreservedly enjoy it,” writes feedmecarrots.
With men in their league, who they are using sex with as a manipulative tool, they can’t enjoy it. It is too much like work.
Not all of the commenters are convinced that women hate sex.
“I’m kind of surprised reading the comments,” writes Antingly, one of the only contributors to the discussion who sounds like he might have actually had sex with an actual living human female.
Sure, some girls seem like they don’t enjoy sex that much, but, some girls will black out during an orgasm. I’m sorry, but I have never experienced anything like that – even when it was really good.
A fellow called givecake, somewhat unexpectedly, offers his fellow MGTOWs some tips in the fine art of lady pleasing.
If you ever wanted to please a woman sexually, it doesn’t hurt to stimulate all 3 areas at the same time.
In case any MGTOWs are reading this post, a quick reminder: The “3 areas” he’s speaking of are the right knee, the left nostril, and the visitors’ center at the Beaver Dam Rest Stop south of Owensboro, Kentucky.
Givecake continues:
Obviously, use your best hand for clitoral stimulation.
The clitoris can be found just inside the left nostril, if the woman in question is right-handed. If she’s left-handed, the clit will be located behind the information desk in the visitor’s center at the aforementioned Beaver Dam rest stop.
Don’t expect her to ever consider doing anything like this amount of work for you.
For one thing, most women don’t have arms long enough to reach all the way to Kentucky.
The MGTOW subreddit really is one of the saddest places on planet earth.
Thanks, Viscaria!
I seem to have had another post eaten, though 🙁
Oh, blockquote mammoth, what have I done to displease you??
@Hambeast & Viscaria
’tis true. When I see that word out there in the fever swamps, I automatically think “Wait, what ?” for a few brain ticks. I used to just be disgusted by that word, but now I get the chucklesies whenever I see it anywhere other than your name :p
That also goes for the (((echo))) thing, by the way.
@Robert W-S:
Oh, now THAT was a burn. Better get him some Ozonol…
Meanwhile, MGTOWs remind me of Child Bride of Short Creek. Synopsis: Old patriarch of a fundie-Mormon polygamist sect wants to take a barely teenaged girl as his next “sister wife”, but she falls in love with his son, who is closer to her age and just got back from Korea. The village acts like the boy is a war hero, but his injury was nothing more than frostbitten toes, and he’s bored with the place and refuses to suck up and do exactly as he’s told so that he, too, can become a good forcefully-married polygamist who secretly thrives on the women’s discontent with him (like an actual MGTOW). The old man notices how miserable the girl is, but he won’t give her to his son when he can have her for himself, even very much against her will. In the end, a police raid of the polygamist town spares her from having to choose between a horrible forced marriage like her mother’s, or running away to an uncertain future with her boyfriend. Which, in the end, she does anyway, a couple of years later, when the women and children finally get to leave the internment camp, the boyfriend shows up unannounced, and her mother urges her to run off with him while she can.
I guess you could say this non-child-bride was a Woman Going Her Own Way. And her boyfriend is a Man Who Actually Went His Own Way!
I propose we replace every instance of “Chad Thundercock” with this, and see how long it takes for people to notice.
Well, not just corners of the internet, if cheap paperback romance novels are anything to go by. I used to see them all the time at some grocery stores in their little magazine and book section.
And this is a very good point. Feminine-identifying people have gone and made their own porn in response to not having porn made for them. Marginalized people always seem to go out and make their own stuff whenever mainstream won’t cater to their “niche” market.
Porn, video games, makeup, clothing, you name it, and a marginalized group has made their own because no one else would.
Quickly followed by assholes pitching a fit because they’ll tell us to make our own instead of getting in on “their” space, but they always do that under the assumption that we don’t know how without their “superior” cishet white dude brains.
@Fruitloopsie
I like how they’re all “we do not tolerate acts of discrimination” as they bring the guy back. And then they only fire him, cos he’s an inconvenience to the company. Nobody’s buyin it, son
OT:
I just saw a Johnny Depp, cologne commercial in which he rides out into the desert and digs a hole, looking pleased with himself. It’s called fuckin SAUVAGE (fr: wild, en: sounds like a word you’d put just before ‘beating’ or ‘assault’)!!! This aired! I saw it! On TV! How did the subtext miss literally everybody!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnoumTpLMfk
And this is old. People have been telling them to pull the ad for months. For months! Still showing this!
Also, it’s pretentious as fuck ?
They really seriously cannot comprehend something other than adversarial relationships, can they? That they don’t even realize they’re making things a mess just hurts to watch, it’s like they’re trying to accelerate into a car wreck so they don’t get pushed as far off course. It’s sad, and I hope they go their own way so people who want to make their partner happy have better odds.
@Paradoxical-
Curses, you’ve reminded me of how much I love to talk about RP worldbuilding and how I made the terrible mistake of making all the interested friends players in the same game. So now it’s spoiling things rather than talking at length. Whoops!
People Going Their Own Way Together !
Now that would really piss off the meektoes.
Seconded!
It’s hard for me to call those porn, because they aren’t as explicit as porn in the whole. Explicitness in those is the exception; the more common response is the fade-to-black, or wrapping the sex in metaphor and flowery language, or sketching over it.
That’s fine if that’s what you want, but I can’t call it porn. What I want out of porn is all the sweat and the heat and the noises the smells and someone’s mind being blown. That’s not what romance novels typically give you.
@Policy of Madness: Oh, I’ve read some of those and trust me when they got steamy, they got STEAMY.
Though, there was a bit of flowery prose when it came to describing specific body parts (what happened to the good old-fashioned vagina and penis???), it still got right down to the act in semi-explicit detail.
re: the original post,
looooollllll
I’ve known far too many guys more interested in the idea of being in love than actually being in love for me to follow you, psychomantis first-of-his-series. Far, far too many confused, self-adsorbed dudes who get tangled into relationships with real women, then ignore the actual responsibilities of house-keeping and child-rearing and emotional support and actual love to favour prepubescent romantic displays. You jerkbutts don’t know what love is, your opinion is invalid.
re: Chad Thundercock,
Chad Thundercock,
Chad Skyboomrooster
Chaz Smashhammer
Dan Electrobeef
Darryl Stormslab
Bill Ramrod
The many names of David Ryder!
re: worldbuilding,
The best part of any game design. I really do hope my side-jobs start to cool down a little. I’m working on making a massive online grand strategy RPG and i just don’t have time to make progress :C Too much to do!
My hands have done … things, in Kentucky. I’ve stuffed my fingers into tiny crevices, pulled hard on knobs, put my whole forearm in to get a better grip.
Then get lowered, belay my partner, and after a good day of climbing head to Miguel’s for pizza and the local 7up clone (no beer, it’s a dry county).
Good times!
That does piss them off, all the time. They’re mad that all the women are flocking to nicer men (not one, but several), leaving them with their tallywhackers in their hands, muttering curses all over the Internets. They make believe that these men are the “top 5%”, but actually, it’s well over 50%, and it’s just not THEM. They don’t want to accept that their own attitudes have turned them into the grungy dregs of the social heap.
@Bina
Are you doing this on purpose ? :’D
Well I meant more like calling something that. Not necessarily a movement, but a parody tumblr or even subreddit or whatever. Them manly menz just can’t stand being parodied.
Or Cats Going Their Own Way !
It’s funny how manospherians like to claim that women engage in rationalisation (that whole horrible ‘hamster’ thing) as a substitute for proper thought, yet themselves engage in massive rationalisation to explain why they’re not getting laid.
Re: romance novels, I always think of this scene:
http://lightlybuzzed.com/files/2014/08/Robin-Williams-3.jpg
Short answer: Yes.
Medium answer: Most of them.
Long answer: Most of them, but few women are into people who take an extremely self-centered approach to sexual relationships.
Addendum: Manospherians are pretty much by definition people who take an extremely self-centered approach to sexual relationships, but are unaware of it. As a result they usually project their self-centeredness onto the targets of their attraction.
@Scildfreja
Would it be too discourteous towards both MST3K and Northernlion to add the best name ever, Roll Fizzlebeef, to that list? 😀
Why would women need to engage sex workers, especially male ones?
I was under the impression that women can manipulate men (and other women, society in general) to get anything and everything they want, sometimes by just sitting on a curb and crying. Except for MGTOW of course, they’re too clever by far. /s
I think I understand his reference to the “3 areas”. I’m pretty sure he’s referring to the idea of “the shocker” plus adding stimulation of the nipples. It’d be in keeping with his warped and limited perception of sex.
The idea that there’s some magic way to give a woman an orgasm every time, instead of treating women as though they’re individuals and actually talking with them, is something I’ve seen repeated for years. Not only is it a grim and dreary way to think about sex, it’s also suggested that when the trick is mastered the recipient will be enamored and grateful making them more pliant in every way.
Just as an kind of related aside but have people noticed a shift in some MGTOW statements about sex? Especially with the ones who pop in here to comment?
I could be misremembering or misinterpreting but I thought earlier MGTOW statements were usually along the lines of, “we’ll be gone and you’ll be sorry”. Now I’m seeing more along the lines of, “we’re staying but we won’t marry you (and you’ll be sorry)”.
Gah. Fumbled words in the second to the last paragraph from fiddling too much.
@Scolar Visari: the MGTOW probably number among those who were bitterly opposed to having female kerbals. Before Valentina, Kerbin was MGTOW heaven — just a bunch of dudes playing with rockets!
@PirateJennie
Yeah, I’ve noticed that one boring-ass troll keeps coming in here and saying how glad he is for feminism because it means men won’t marry women anymore (with the obvious subtext of “and you should feel sorry about that”), when I thought it was all about not having women in their lives at all before.
@Kupo
Exactly. I always thought the implication was they were taking themselves and all their goodies away from women and going to live elsewhere doing fabulous things while society flails and collapses without them.
@Scolar Visari
“Men Getting Thrown Out by Women”
I usually go with “Men Getting Totally Obsessed with Women,” but yours is excellent.
It’s so hard to keep up with manospherian “wisdom.” This week we’re supposed to not like sex? But I thought we were all out “literally riding the cock carousel.” (I’m still waiting for pictures of this “literal” cock carousel – but warn me first, that would definitely be NSFW!)