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Do women really enjoy sex, men who hate women ask

Not tonight
Not tonight

Ladies! Do you feel a bit twitchy? Is the hair on the back of your neck standing up? Don’t worry — that just means that Reddit’s MGTOWs are talking about you again.

On the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit the regulars are trying to figure out whether women enjoy sex as much as men. Or at all.

The general consensus? Women aren’t really into sex  — unless it’s with the mythical Chad Thunderc*ck.

“The more I learn about them,” writes original poster psychomantis01,

the stronger the impression I get that [women] are only really interested in childbearing, money, and companionship. It seems to me, as somebody here once put it, they are only really in love with the ‘idea of being in love’, and not in love with the actual man himself.

Spoken like a man who’s never spoken to a woman.

NuclearTruthBomb agrees.

If women actually loved sex as much as men, they’d be approaching men everywhere, watch porn everyday, and frequently visit male prostitutes.

Of course, they may swoon over the occasional Chad. But realize they are only turned on by upper echelon of men. We only need a woman to be attractive…if even that.

Zombocom1911 reports that women definitely don’t have any interest in having sex … with him:

Women are always saying they love sex but in my experience they are completely f**king frigid and really low sex drive unless you are already having sex with them. They never, ever really ACTIVELY pursue or initiate sex with a stranger because they really just don’t care about it, unless its to get something out of a man, like love, affection, dinners, cards, romance.

They are so completely disinterested in sex and stuck up about it , it makes me f**king sick. This is why they can charge such a heavy price for it, because they really don’t want it and really don’t need it.

A top 5% male like Chad Thundercock may have pussy literally thrown at him though. I am not him, so I wouldn’t know.

As Reddit’s MGTOWs see it, even if women aren’t into sex, it’s pretty much all they have to offer men. As Oldredder puts it:

Outside of sex women have nothing to offer. Most of what they talk about is completely boring, unintellectual or, worse, is catty nonsense and pride in being a cheating slut.

Bartand offers a similarly bitter take:

The only reason they enjoy sex at the beginning is because it is their only way to be loved since they have nothing else to offer. Then later she start to wonder if you like her for more than sex so she start to cut off sex.

As Flaye2 sees it, women use their lack of interest in sex as a weapon against men in the ongoing war of the sexes:

Women seem to have lower drives and they use that to control men. Wives would cut off the sex but at the same time not allow him to satisfy him urges elsewhere, that is evil.

But most of the regulars agree that women do get tingly for Chad.

“With men well above their sexual league, they unreservedly enjoy it,” writes feedmecarrots.

With men in their league, who they are using sex with as a manipulative tool, they can’t enjoy it. It is too much like work. 

Not all of the commenters are convinced that women hate sex.

“I’m kind of surprised reading the comments,” writes Antingly, one of the only contributors to the discussion who sounds like he might have actually had sex with an actual living human female.

Sure, some girls seem like they don’t enjoy sex that much, but, some girls will black out during an orgasm. I’m sorry, but I have never experienced anything like that – even when it was really good.

A fellow called givecake, somewhat unexpectedly, offers his fellow MGTOWs some tips in the fine art of lady pleasing.

If you ever wanted to please a woman sexually, it doesn’t hurt to stimulate all 3 areas at the same time.

In case any MGTOWs are reading this post, a quick reminder: The “3 areas” he’s speaking of are the right knee, the left nostril, and the visitors’ center at the Beaver Dam Rest Stop south of Owensboro, Kentucky.

beaverdam

Givecake continues:

Obviously, use your best hand for clitoral stimulation.

The clitoris can be found just inside the left nostril, if the woman in question is right-handed. If she’s left-handed, the clit will be located behind the information desk in the visitor’s center at the aforementioned Beaver Dam rest stop.

Don’t expect her to ever consider doing anything like this amount of work for you.

For one thing, most women don’t have arms long enough to reach all the way to Kentucky.

The MGTOW subreddit really is one of the saddest places on planet earth.

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EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

I think there’s another aspect to it as well. Men are socialised to believe that we must be sexual demigods, with barely-constrained libidos; and if not, then to lie about it and blame the women.

Apparently one-third of men in Britain suffer from sexual dysfunction, often thought to be stress-related. Due to the way that toxic masculinity is internalised, I can easily see how it’s easier to say “she’s frigid” than it is to say “I can’t get it up because I can’t stop worrying about how I’m going to pay the rent.”

Pol
Pol
8 years ago

Children are the best! You don’t want ’em? Well, that is your decent decision and yours to own. After all, there is no law (at least that I know of) that says that you must have kids.

Personally though, I think that having a child is a great experience and one that is without comparison.

(((Chiomara)))
(((Chiomara)))
8 years ago

I have a weird thing too.
You know when you rub a dog’s belly and he shakes his leg?
There’s this very especific way to touch my clitoris that makes my leg shake exactly like that. I have kicked my bf in the face like that. Multiple times.

And I have a funny story, as usual :p Once I bought a pair of very ugly looking flip-flops at an Asian store that were supposed to massage your feet, especially those acupuncture spots, etc. It was made from a material like… Imagine a sponge, but a sponge made of REALLY hard and thick carpet fibers.
Then I arrived home and put them on, and went to the supermarket. It was like I was receiving a piercing but hardly there sexual stimulation. It was kind of painful, kind of a turn on, kind of not even there. Very very weird experience. And what’s funnier is that I’m sensitive but not sexual at all at the feet, and those are the only shoes with that effect. Go figure. But those things should be sold at sex shops,I think not even vibrating panties would be this tortuously effective.

I also get foot cramps during climax sometimes, but I heard that’s common, right?

Pol
Pol
8 years ago

Err, my previous comment was made with a mind to the conversation between Chiomara and Bryce insofar as it was concerning the bearing of children.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ chiomara

I bought some sandals that had plastic spikes that stuck into your feet. They were supposed to provide some sort of healthy massage. They were absolute agony but in a sort of nice way. And when you took them off you literally felt like you were walking on air.

Pol
Pol
8 years ago

@ Alan Robertshaw

Yeah, I remember those ones. ?

As a child I thought that they were smart and good and were a real “thing”.

How young I was…

Secretly though I never got to ….

Joekster: betas bearded, sheeple shamed, dragons derailed. Reasonable rates.
Joekster: betas bearded, sheeple shamed, dragons derailed. Reasonable rates.
8 years ago

OK, I don’t have time to read through six pages of comments (my loss, as they are usually quite insightful), so I apologize if someone said this already.

I’d just like to point out that the OP is complaining that women are rational about sex.

And yet, men are the more rational sex and less driven by primal urges/s

Face, meet Palm.

(((Chiomara)))
(((Chiomara)))
8 years ago

U@Alan
The family of one Korean friend of mine had these flip-flops to wear at home with little different sized bubbles all over it, using, again, acupuncture spots as principle. Oh, God, THOSE were actual massage shoes, UNEARTHLY awesome, which made me think they maaay be onto something with this whole, uh, line of thinking. Which is why I keep buying those novelty Asian massage shoes, in search of that experience.
My mom has a pair of WOODEN flops of the kind you’re talking about. Perhaps even more horrible. She says it really is very relaxing, but I want to literally cry when I put them on. Go figure. She may be the only one for whom that works. (Did I use “whom” right? I’m trying to learn.)

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
8 years ago

Did I use “whom” right?

Yes. And incidentally, holy shit but all you ESL mammotheers are blindingly awesome.

Lea
Lea
8 years ago

I don’t remember who said it, but my grandmother would repeat it. Something like…

“No man assumes he’s a concert pianist without ever having a class, but they all think they’re born the world’s best lover.”

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ chiomara

I want to literally cry when I put them on.

I was the same at first; especially as, being me, I’d gone for the ‘hardest’ option. But the transition from “Argh, I’m in agony” to “OMG, this is wonderful” is pretty quick. They get to be addictive. I don’t know if it’s down to acupuncture, I suspect it may be more of an endorphin thing.

*TMI Warning*

With your interesting ‘wiring’ you may want to stick them out and see what happens. They have a bit of a ‘whole body’ effect that extends well beyond the feet.

Bina
8 years ago

People generally seem incapable of being happy, and it would appear that we live in a world which provides no opportunities for lasting happiness

Categorically untrue! I get happy just from seeing blue skies, clear water, puffy white clouds, and tall green trees. And luckily for me, I live in a part of the world (semi-rural Southern Ontario) where such things abound. All I have to do to see them is walk out my door a little ways. Or look up from my computer and out my study window. Or even — gasp! — go for at least an hour’s walk (which is good exercise and keeps everything limber, including my brain) in nature, carrying my iPad along to photograph anything noteworthy or pretty I see along the way. There’s always something new and interesting out there, although I’ve gone the same route thousands of times. And if I can’t find anything to write a poem about, I still have tens of thousands of visual poems saved in my photo files, to be called up if ever I need cheering. Which is not so often anymore now that I’ve used up all my youthful anomie and am starting work on my so-called Mid-Life Crisis. You know, the one where women think they have nothing to offer the larger world anymore because their fertility and the fresh good looks it supposedly confers go bye-bye? Surprise! It’s not that big a deal. My looks are changing, sure, but I haven’t fallen apart, nor have I blown away in the wind. I’m still quite recognizable to those who knew me back in high school, when I was supposedly at my physical peak, by manospheric idiot standards. I know that what I have to offer has nothing to do with that, and that too is a great source of happiness for me…one that one only acquires with age, if one is but perceptive enough to see it. And thanks to my fondness for the abundant natural beauty all around me, I most certainly DO see it.

People who make such generalizations as you’ve made tend to dwell in closets. And they write “philosophical jeremiads” (really, just long, drawn-out whines) because the smell of mothballs is really starting to get to them. Dr. Bina prescribes fresh air, exercise, and an immediate cessation of mental masturbation.

You’re welcome.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

I can get clitoral stimulation via my belly button. Any other clit havers experience this? I don’t know how common of a thing this is!

I found a potential explanation for someone who’s knee and foot always itched at the same time, and that explanation works for Alan’s feet/lower back issue. Some kind of crossed connection at L5 or S2 where the dermatome plugs into the spine.
http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/445845/Brittany_Blog_Images/Locating-and-alleviating-pain-with-the-dermatome-chart-and-estim.png?t=1469557207573

That does not explain a sensory cross between genetalia and the belly button though. The genetalia plug in at S2 to S4, and the belly button at T10 to T11. Now I’m fascinated enough to dig deeper to figure out where the connection is.

Tessa
Tessa
8 years ago

Yeah, that little pic was shown to me about my slipped L5 disk. It pokes a nerve and causes my big toes to go all numb and lose mobility sometimes.

kupo
kupo
8 years ago

you seem to think that text on a screen actually has the capacity to place me into a world of pain!

Ah, so you’re that type of troll. The kind who thinks it’s funny when people get upset because it’s only words on a screen! The problem with that thinking is that you’re not realizing that the words are coming from other human beings. We’re people. We’re making emotional and very real connections with each other through these words on our screens.

Why does the mode of communication make a difference in whether the message should be internalized? Would you say the same about a Dear John letter? Would you tell someone that they can’t be upset about a breakup because it happened over a letter? I’m guessing not. What if it happened over text? Through a facebook notification that the other partner updated their relationship status?

Is the difference for you that we’ve never met in person? If so, I feel sorry for you. Honestly. To not be able to empathize with other people unless you’ve met them face-to-face sounds incredibly isolating. I have a large number of friends I’ve met online. Some of them I’ve met in person, too. A lot of them I’m closer with and feel more comfortable talking to than the friends I know from school and work.

I’m going to suggest you listen to an episode of NPR’s This American Life where they talk about this very topic. I hope you learn something from it. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/545/if-you-dont-have-anything-nice-to-say-say-it-in-all-caps

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ brony

Wow; that has to be it! The bit on my foot that’s the trigger matches the diagram exactly; as does the affected area.

It’s funny that it’s only getting damp though, like walking alongside a swimming pool or stepping into a shower tray. If I go fully paddling it goes away. Probably some sensory threshold/overload thing.

ETA: That also explains the spiky sandal thing.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

This has been a very interesting diversion, though I should probably not be using my phone in the bath.

There are several parts to these descriptions of phenomena that involve different domains of the nervous system and places where they might become interconnected:
*sensory phenomena and location on the body (involves regions where wires can cross based on location)
*different sensory receptors and their wiring (Alan’s wetness to tingle in different locations)
*sensory to motor transition (Chiomara’s leg kicking in response to sensory stimulation)

For all it’s still possible that there are crossed wires in spinal colums, but it’s not necessairly a “bug”. These things may happen because of the associative features of our nervous systems (I’ll leave the more explicit speculations on what got associated with what to the rest of you). The canine scratch reflex involves sensory information connecting to motor pattern generators, which is a thing humans have too. This link diagrams lots of reflexes involving many different kinds of information transitions. Interestingly the sensory to sensory transitions will all go through the dorsal nerve entry into the spine (with the exception of tendon/muscle stretch which shares a route with muscle at the ventral nerve entry).

The “crossed-extension reflex” at the bottom shows a sensory to muscle transition (pin prick causing muscle movement) and it’s route through the spine covers both nerve entrys and plenty of opportunity for associations between specific sensations and movements. The sensory nerves from the genetalia will be present at the level where knee motor pattern generators reside.

Interestingly for touch the front of the leg plugs into higher spinal segments (L=lumbar) than the back of the leg (S=sacral). The human patellar reflex involves L2-L4, and the back of the leg includes sacral sensory information. Where the leg is assembled in terms of information probably has lots of chances for associations of many kinds.

The Wikipedia entry on the scratch reflex also mentions cortical connections too though, so associations in the brain may be involved too. This stuff is endlessly fascinating to me.

Crys T
Crys T
8 years ago

Re weird wiring, most of have probably had the experience of eating/drinking something frozen & getting a pain in your head. With me, the pain has always been in my upper back, sort of a pinpoint in between my shoulder blades.

Does anyone else get that?

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
8 years ago

I have a spot by my right ear that is always sore to the touch. It doesn’t hurt when I don’t touch it. Sometimes I’ll forget about it for a few weeks and then I’ll touch it by accident when washing my face or something, and it’s always mildly painful.

Ideas?

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
8 years ago

I P

It could be a weirdly wired nerve, or it could be a trigger point – we all have them, some are stronger in some people than others. Did you ever have trouble with your jaw or wear braces for your teeth? That can be a more or less permanent problem in the ear-neck-throat region.

One trigger point that everybody seems to have is below and behind the armpit. If you wrap your arms around yourself and then push/dig your fingers into the softer muscle directly in a line below the back of your shoulder beside the armpit, you can give yourself a nasty moment. (I’m an unreliable example for anyone else because I have a genetic nerve disease/condition. My hands and feet are weak and if a doctor uses one of those hammer things on my knee, nothing happens. The ‘long’ nerves down the arms and legs just don’t work properly.)

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ crys t

If I drink lime juice I get an itch between my shoulder blades (but sort of ‘inside’ below the surface) so maybe there’s an osephegous/spine link?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

Seeing as we’re now suitabley diverted:

Why can’t you tickle yourself?

Makroth - Agent of the Great Degeneracy
Makroth - Agent of the Great Degeneracy
8 years ago

@Sedentary reactionary

Remember that outburst you had here over a cartoon character?
And yet here you are telling us that words don’t hurt you.

You so funny.

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
8 years ago

Saying that words can’t hurt is saying that words don’t actually mean anything, that they’re just pointless noises or random marks on a page. Did your mother ever tell you that she loves you? Doesn’t matter! It’s just words! When, back before telephones, people sent letters to friends and families, it was pointless! Nothing that anyone ever wrote ever affected anything! We’re just all self-contained units wondering why other people make all those mouth sounds!

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
8 years ago

@Alan

If I remember correctly, it’s because the whole tickling thing is primarily psychological, as in tickling yourself doesn’t work because your brain already fully anticipates it ?

I read about it in a science for kids type magazine when I was little, but I’m not too sure I remember the explanation right.

@LindsayIrene

Additionally, did you know that rights don’t exist ? Have you ever seen your rights ? I haven’t.

(I may drop this one day, but it still makes me laugh way too much.)

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