Ladies! Do you feel a bit twitchy? Is the hair on the back of your neck standing up? Don’t worry — that just means that Reddit’s MGTOWs are talking about you again.
On the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit the regulars are trying to figure out whether women enjoy sex as much as men. Or at all.
The general consensus? Women aren’t really into sex — unless it’s with the mythical Chad Thunderc*ck.
“The more I learn about them,” writes original poster psychomantis01,
the stronger the impression I get that [women] are only really interested in childbearing, money, and companionship. It seems to me, as somebody here once put it, they are only really in love with the ‘idea of being in love’, and not in love with the actual man himself.
Spoken like a man who’s never spoken to a woman.
NuclearTruthBomb agrees.
If women actually loved sex as much as men, they’d be approaching men everywhere, watch porn everyday, and frequently visit male prostitutes.
Of course, they may swoon over the occasional Chad. But realize they are only turned on by upper echelon of men. We only need a woman to be attractive…if even that.
Zombocom1911 reports that women definitely don’t have any interest in having sex … with him:
Women are always saying they love sex but in my experience they are completely f**king frigid and really low sex drive unless you are already having sex with them. They never, ever really ACTIVELY pursue or initiate sex with a stranger because they really just don’t care about it, unless its to get something out of a man, like love, affection, dinners, cards, romance.
They are so completely disinterested in sex and stuck up about it , it makes me f**king sick. This is why they can charge such a heavy price for it, because they really don’t want it and really don’t need it.
A top 5% male like Chad Thundercock may have pussy literally thrown at him though. I am not him, so I wouldn’t know.
As Reddit’s MGTOWs see it, even if women aren’t into sex, it’s pretty much all they have to offer men. As Oldredder puts it:
Outside of sex women have nothing to offer. Most of what they talk about is completely boring, unintellectual or, worse, is catty nonsense and pride in being a cheating slut.
Bartand offers a similarly bitter take:
The only reason they enjoy sex at the beginning is because it is their only way to be loved since they have nothing else to offer. Then later she start to wonder if you like her for more than sex so she start to cut off sex.
As Flaye2 sees it, women use their lack of interest in sex as a weapon against men in the ongoing war of the sexes:
Women seem to have lower drives and they use that to control men. Wives would cut off the sex but at the same time not allow him to satisfy him urges elsewhere, that is evil.
But most of the regulars agree that women do get tingly for Chad.
“With men well above their sexual league, they unreservedly enjoy it,” writes feedmecarrots.
With men in their league, who they are using sex with as a manipulative tool, they can’t enjoy it. It is too much like work.
Not all of the commenters are convinced that women hate sex.
“I’m kind of surprised reading the comments,” writes Antingly, one of the only contributors to the discussion who sounds like he might have actually had sex with an actual living human female.
Sure, some girls seem like they don’t enjoy sex that much, but, some girls will black out during an orgasm. I’m sorry, but I have never experienced anything like that – even when it was really good.
A fellow called givecake, somewhat unexpectedly, offers his fellow MGTOWs some tips in the fine art of lady pleasing.
If you ever wanted to please a woman sexually, it doesn’t hurt to stimulate all 3 areas at the same time.
In case any MGTOWs are reading this post, a quick reminder: The “3 areas” he’s speaking of are the right knee, the left nostril, and the visitors’ center at the Beaver Dam Rest Stop south of Owensboro, Kentucky.
Givecake continues:
Obviously, use your best hand for clitoral stimulation.
The clitoris can be found just inside the left nostril, if the woman in question is right-handed. If she’s left-handed, the clit will be located behind the information desk in the visitor’s center at the aforementioned Beaver Dam rest stop.
Don’t expect her to ever consider doing anything like this amount of work for you.
For one thing, most women don’t have arms long enough to reach all the way to Kentucky.
The MGTOW subreddit really is one of the saddest places on planet earth.
You didn’t make me. I chose to do so, I’ve already done so on here before, and in better contexts. Don’t project too much : that was an example, not self-pity. It wasn’t even the real painful shit – that I keep to myself, for the same reasons. But think about your definition of happiness and how it affects your view of progress. Think about what is and isn’t relevant in the ties you make between the two.
Good timing. I’m a few minutes past the 25 hours threshold.
@Oogly
Nothing too sentimental there, I get what you mean. Cheers !
I don’t know what’s happening.
http://i.imgur.com/ANFySNK.png
I did this tho.
@Jack
This makes me happy.
@Oogly
In order: there’s no such thing, that’s OK, and you don’t have to (at least not right now) ?
I never, ever understood the appeal of initiating sex with a stranger. Like, how is that enjoyable or fulfilling in any way? If that’s what gets you going, more power to you, but why would you expect any John or Jane Doe off the street to be interested in sex with someone they don’t know?
These guys think of women as objects. Generally interchangeable as long as they reach the “attractive” threshold. So when they see a woman on the street, they just see something for them to do sex to. This is of course for their own gratification. So if the woman would let them (or if they lived in their fantasy land (maybe post-apocalyptic) where the woman wouldn’t have a say in the matter), they would. They really don’t care what the other is interested in. In fact, they’re often complaining about women expressing their interests when it comes to sex.
So TL:DR Interested shminterested!
@FoxKit & Tessa
I tend to read that part as “They initially approach people for reasons that are not all related to sex and it makes my boner sad because I for one would never approach a stranger if I don’t at least want to have sex with them.” with the usual meektoe projection.
From people who hate women as much as they do, I’m not even surprised they would see it as unconceivable to approach one for any other reason than sex – and they don’t understand why it doesn’t work the other way around. The irony that they yell MISANDRY at the first sign of women being interested in anything othen than sex is just mind-blowing.
Could spend days deconstructing their bullshit, and no matter where you start you’d always end up in the same places, with the same tired old memes. They really don’t reinvent themselves.
I’ma try again to catch some sleepsies. Dammit, only 9am ! Troll managed to wear me out, probably because at some point I honestly thought that maybe there was some hope.
http://i.imgur.com/gAoS2Lb.png
I’m getting better.
@Jack:
Those are awesome! I love the semi-abstractness. It reminds me of Stand Still Stay Silent during the action scenes: beautifully scratchy and stylised, making them alive with emotion and movement.
@WWTH:
I can see every image you posted. Fucking magnets indeed.
@Sed Re:
Hi there! We spoke in the other thread. I hope you decided to follow up some of the stuff people said about therapy.
Reading this thread, I keep getting the feeling that you’re torn between trying to establish dominance over people, trying to run away from them, and trying to ask them for help. This is a mess, but it’s a common mess for people who’ve bought into patriarchal expectations.
You want us to treat you like a sage who knows all wisdom and can understand all topics; to this end whenever a topic comes up that you can’t deal with, you’ve asked for more time in an attempt to run away from having to face up to your lack of knowledge. As WWTH points out, this is ridiculous. It ends up doing the opposite of what you hoped: instead of making you look erudite, it discredits everything else you say.
Dude, chill.
One of the most insidious things about patriarchy, at least where men are concerned, is that it teaches men that in order to have value we need to be dominant. This dominance can come in a variety of ways: through having more money than people, through being able to intimidate with the threat of violence, through being more sexually experienced, or through being more knowledgeable. You’ve attempted to use the last one.
The problem is that you are not more knowledgeable: indeed, your lack of knowledge is so profound that it’s gone right past annoying and is bordering on adorable. This is extremely apparent to everyone, and nobody is fooled but you; and yet because of patriarchy you seem to be obsessed with keeping it up because that’s your means of control.
Dude, chill.
There is no shame in not knowing the answers to questions. There is no shame in being a virgin, or in being less educated or younger or in having ADD. The force that is telling you to feel ashamed and to hide these things is your own internalisation of patriarchy; and here in the feminist movement we are all about breaking down patriarchy and helping people escape it.
Please either ask for help or fuck off. One of the two. Right now your schtick of trying to hide ignorance behind philosopher-king wording is like an elephant hiding behind a palm tree, and it’s getting tiring.
My hair are way too long for them to raise. If cutting them let me have MGTOW sensor I guess it might be worth it.
In the limited scope of people I have seen, women seem overall to like sex a small bit more, but they are socially punished strongly for saying they like sex. That might be a small sample effect, I would not be surprised if men or women were equally horny.
Also, I have seen people whose erogenous zone weren’t even on their body, and I don’t think it’s the strangest thing I have heard of. In the same way that some people are fond of strawberry-ham deep fried sandwiches, some people have very … peculiar … way to get excited. The bro political correctness code tend to make men hide that ; and since women are mostly prevented from talking openly about sex at all, well…
Which is one of the numerous reason for which patriarchy must fall. Even outside of basic decency and moral principle, the principle of masculinity and feminity cause endless smaller-scale trouble like this lack of sexual awareness. Even people who think they are totally not affected by misoginy and bro culture get fallout in unexpected ways.
The two worst offender for me are :
* When a woman love sex, pop culture attribute a mental disease to her. When a man love sex, pop culture hail him as a hero.
* When a woman can’t climax from heterosexual sex, society pressure her into simulating climax. When a man can’t climax from heterosexual sex, society pressure his partner to improve.
@SR : AI (and by extensions robots) currently can’t be ruler at all. It’s not clear if they could ever be ruler, given the lack of understanding of what a conscience is and what give a human its capacity for initiative and new way of thinking.
I find the fact humans have found it easier to create nuclear weapons, antimatters, and measure gravitional wave easier than understand how one take decisions amusing. It show where our priority as a species is :p
I spent entirely too long on this shit but here, the thrilling conclusion that I gave up on drawing midway through because drawing someone snorting crystals off of someone’s tits was more work than I wanted to do and was too lazy to put in a background because that meant I actually have to color it well.
For full effect, listen to this while making a disgusted face, thanks.
http://i.imgur.com/PHrqCh5.png
Again, sorry Alex Hirsch. Justin Roiland deserves it still.
@SR
This whole business of men only believing other men (about everything up to, and including, women’s own preferences, desires and experiences) is not purely a manosphere thing. It’s a society thing. The manosphere has just taken it to an almost comical extreme.
Further, your claim that you haven’t bought it, regardless of who the seller might be, is belied by the fact that the post I quoted is full of you crying about how very difficult women are to understand.
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden:
You might be right, for some reason I think I confused what FoxKit was actually responding to with the part:
So that was the “approaching men” I meant. Buuuut I just noticed this:
This is hilarious on so many levels.
1) “Upper Echelon” could be better defined as “not him” (or not MGTOWs).
2) The almost parody level of lack of self awareness of saying women are only turned on by men they find attractive and then saying all men need is to find the woman attractive.
3) I wonder if the women that the monolith known as man don’t find attractive all get around and complain that men must not like sex because they only find the upper echelon of women attractive.
4) What do these guys think lesbians do? (I’m kinda scared to ask actually.)
I would say that if you think you don’t understand a person based on his or her gender, you should think in term of what society expect from him or her, to see if it clear up things. Then one should think about what stereotype they have internalized.
To take an example :
[quote-I-never-understood-how-they-work-here]Hold on, you mean to tell me that there are more than 3 places? You’ve only got one penis, how do they expect you to hit these various places with only one penis? And what the hell do are you supposed to with only two hands in this situation?[/quote]
The stereotypes I clearly see :
* all women (or men for that matter) are sensitive to the same thing.
* sex is only about penis in something, or at most hands.
* sex is mechanical and you just need to enter the konami code to pass the level/make the significant other climax.
* sex is about climaxing only, and it’s an on/off switch.
* women are entirely passive and nothing can go wrong on their side
That also cover most of the shit the guys in that article falsely believe. And any amount of thinking about them show how utterly ridiculous they all are. Sadly, a lot of men are so unwilling to shake out the macho attitude they are conditioned to have that it’s impossible to explain that. It litteraly bump off them, as if acknowledging something that isn’t in the macho bible would instantly make them unworthy.
Well, that’s how I sketch. My actual finished pieces I take time on have proper linework and better coloring. Sure, those four drawings took me five hours but the shitty color was what took the bulk of it. (I hate coloring but they needed them or else you couldn’t see the outlines properly.)
S R
Not true . Watch this video all the way through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK8JNXHcBMA The before and after shots from 5.40 to 7 minutes are simply stunning.
These people start out as ignorant, illiterate peasants living in a hellhole. They’ve largely destroyed the land they live in and can’t even imagine a better life, though some of them would very much like to live in a brick house. They resist every suggestion for ways to improve their farms and their incomes. You can’t eat trees! By the end of it, their children are using computers in schools, they have brick houses with electricity, running water and toilets and more money coming in all the time. As one bloke says, his dreams can’t keep up.
(I have a 5 page list of inspiring, hopeful videos like this. Whenever I feel a bit down, I watch Chinese or Ethiopean or Indian or Peruvian or Niger people transform their lives and their landscapes with hoes, trees and rainwater. Does my weary heart good.) Just because I wrote this I counted. I have videos from projects in 57 countries!!!
Even if we can’t envisage life as an ignorant peasant, we can put ourselves in the shoes of people like John Liu – who took on a photography assignment and finished up as an international expert advising governments on reforestation. Or maybe Wangari Maathai who won the Nobel Peace Prize for her work with women planting trees in Kenya or Geoff Lawson working in Jordan among other places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpTd2JTtlo0
I dunno…having conversations/discussions with a willing partner about ‘doing the sex things’ is well and good, but what I’ve found is even more helpful? Listening and being able to take direction without getting offended/upset, then acting on the direction(s) being given by your partner.
What’s not so helpful is getting upset by your willing partner telling you directly the things to do (particularly if you think they’re ‘taking too long’, consider it might be the way you’re going about things), or listening then continuing to do not the things.
I personally don’t want to take the risk of sex with someone who I haven’t determined is capable of listening to direction and acting on those accordingly, like oh…you know…a stranger. A stranger is someone you don’t know, so determinations about their suitability as a sexual partner are impossible to make until sufficient time is spent and interactions of a non-naked/sexual variety have occurred. However, these are my personal requirements and other women/men may or may not hold the same view(s) because each of us are individual people.
They like to invoke evolution, well there are related reasons women are (generally) less interested in casual sex; like falling pregnant, STDs – which women are more susceptible to – the real physical danger involved with being with a man who may see them as little more than an object.
Add to that: greater body insecurity, lack of awareness of what’s feels good for them, finding a lower percentage of men attractive due to the fact the men generally take less care of their appearance, and yes, plenty of good reasons to remain “frigid”.
msexceptiontotherule
The other major requirement is a sense of humour and care for the other person. You have to be able to laugh when body parts need realigning because a knee, elbow, foot is stuck somewhere uncomfortable or you’re in danger of falling or slipping off the bed-sofa-table.
You also have to be prepared to stop completely when Ouch! from the other party indicates that you’re pulling on their hair or leaning on some other painful place.
Why does everything need to have a pseudo-scientific evopsych reason for you guys?
1-Cervix, stay away from that.
2-Do you have sex with women? How do you want to be good at that if you don’t gave the guts to even google some basic manuals and anatomy parts?
Of course we enjoy stimulation. Stimulation =/= than penetration, do comprehend that. When people say “touch erogenous zones” they hardly ever, if ever, mean “jam your penis in erogenous zones”.
It’s the entrance of the uterus. It’s located where it’s obvious, deep inside the vagina.
Ok, first, there’s subtle auto promotion and trying to brag, and then there’s that. Second, I took 3 seconds to explain what’s a cervix. If you take months to find that out, you’ll learn to properly french kiss bytheage of 80.
…And now I have an image in my head of the world’s weirdest fight.
@Tessa
Yes, and I also love the mealymouthed hypocrisy. “Women suck at sex because their standards are sky-high. Men are so much more realistic because we’ll sleep with anyone attractive”…followed by complaints about women being too old, too fat, too stuck-up, too short-haired, too educated, too tattooed, too earbud-wearing, too pancake-ordering, ad nauseum. They’re constantly looking for reasons to reject women. It’s what they live for.
@msexceptiontotherule
Well said. Some of the best sex I ever had was with complete strangers; on the other hand, some of the worst – and scariest – sex I ever had was with complete strangers.
You have expressed the reasons for both very eloquently 🙂
Because being wealthy does not mean being happy 100% of the time. NO ONE is happy all the time, it would make happiness pointless, actually. First worlders reading more self help than third worlders doesn’t mean they’re sadder, it means they have money to buy them and available time to self improvement.
Our priorities and primary needs change with “progress”. For many people, getting money to feed theirselves and their families is their priority, because progress didn’t get to them. Do you know how that feels? To eat your lunch fearing you won’t be able to find dinner? You don’t, the food you eat is so granted that it’s not even in your radar, and you can change your focus to… whatever it is you’re doing. And you THINK you are in position to say progress is pointless because you are a middle/high class first worlder and don’t smile as much as you liked? Well, since it doesn’t matter for you, let’s switch places, sweetie, I rather wipe my tears with dollar bills.
???? Uhhhm, ok? Why, cause wealthy buy self help books? Ok, feel free to do that, but i’ll have babies, thank you. And I say that as a really depressed person.
@weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo:
Interesting.
There do exist some hard to explain connections between seemingly unrelated areas of the body.
Take “Honeymoon rhinitis for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeymoon_rhinitis
I’ve suffered from anal fissures (nothing to do with anal sex, which doesn’t appeal to me at all and I’ve never indulged in). What’s unusual is that, apart from the intense pain they can cause, they also cause bouts of debilitating nausea. How to explain that? 🙁
I have a thing that if the soles of my feet get damp (but not if my feet are totally immersed in water) my lower back starts tingling.
Anyone else get that?