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Internet Nazis now trying to recruit kids playing Pokemon GO, apparently

He's coming for your kids!
Pikachu Hitler, coming to a Pokemon GO gym near you?

Watch out! The Daily Stormer is coming for your children!

Or so they say. Earlier this week, Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer launched what he’s calling the “Pokémon GO Nazi Challenge,” urging his readers to descend upon their local Pokemon GO hot spots with crude flyers promoting race hatred in general and his site in particular.

Great news, everyone!

An enterprising Stormer has been handing out fliers at Pokémon GO gyms for the purpose of converting children and teens to HARDCORE NEO-NAZISM! …

 

HE’S HANDING THEM OUT TO CHILDREN!

THIS IS ALREADY HAPPENING!

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ANYTHING SO GREAT AS THIS???

The Daily Stormer was designed to appeal to teenagers, but I have long thought that we needed to get pre-teens involved in the movement. At that age, you can really brainwash someone easily. Anyone who accepts Nazism at the age of 10 or 11 is going to be a Nazi for life.

The idea is so ridiculous, and the flyer in question so crude and over-the-top, that I assumed at first that it was a troll job — that either Anglin was trolling us, or that someone was trolling him.

The flyer (see the whole thing here) bristles with rabid denunciations of “n***er monkeys,” “burrito rats,” and “HOOK-NOSED JEWS.” It urges its readers to “vote for DONALD TRUMP” even while acknowledging that most of those reading the flyer are “probably too young to vote” for the “GOD EMPEROR.”

It promises its target audience of white not-yet-men that

flyer2

Oh, and it compares catching Pokemons to … the Holocaust. Favorably

flyer1If Anglin is trolling, though, he’s trolling his readers as well as the rest of us.

In a followup post today, Anglin insisted that he was dead serious about the “Pokémon GO Nazi Challenge” — and defended it from alt-right critics saying the flyer was so over-the-top offensive that it could end up hurting the Nazi cause, and perhaps even Donald Trump as well.

“Trump has been called a racist six million times,” Anglin tells his readers.

If the media were to present these flyers and say “look, racist Alt-Right Neo-Nazi Pokemon conspiracy!!!!” it would simply be more noise.

It would also look ridiculous. There is so much news about so many different things related to the election, people just get these bits and bytes, and “TRUMP RACISM POKEMON NAZIS” is all their brain would absorb, which would simply cause the media to lose more credibility in their minds and cause them to draw closer to Trump.

As for all the racial slurs?

[Y]oung boys like rebellious things. It excites them. It makes them interested. The flyer, in my view, was perfectly designed to appeal to young boys, and I think we’re going to get a huge response once people start handing them out.

And what were the options, besides going hardcore?

Black IQ statistics? What kid is going to be drawn into that?

Saying “save your race” or some other generic, vague, low-energy statement? Most kids won’t even know what that means, let alone be interested in it.

Making it obscene and aggressive appeals to a primal drive in boys who are in or approaching puberty.

So there you have it.

I still think this campaign is more of a publicity stunt than an actual recruitment drive, but we’ll see, I guess.

This is a very strange year, no question about it.

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Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

@Sinkable John

You’re right, that’s sort of why I started thinking about that. I was somewhat surprised to see them self-identify as Nazis and pro-genocide. I was mostly reacting to the fact that Anglin still bothers to whine about how Trump has been called a racist “six million times”, when it’s pretty obvious that Anglin himself only supports Trump precisely because Trump is racist. How long until the GOP splits up into one openly racist party and one blatantly racist but in denial party?

epitome of incomprehensibility

@kupo – I followed your cake link, and Google translated the name of the main cake on the page to “smart white” – so, not a good description of Andrew Anglin (ba-dum-tish).

Anyway, there’s “smart cake” and “magic cake” too, which is awesome! The glorious marriage of cake and Google Translate produces marvels. 🙂

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
4 years ago

@epitome

Which leads me to think… if this is real, who would actually DO this? Surely even hardened neo-Nazis have some inkling that many people regard their views as garbage, and wouldn’t want to run the risk of being charged with hate crimes and such… right?

They think their “revolution” is just around the corner (they’ve been thinking that for, oh, more than a half a century now ?). They really see Trump as the game-changer. Right now they’re basically fighting for attention amongst themselves because they’re convinced that their fascist state is about to happen anytime now, and when it happens all charges and such will be dropped.

Of course they’re deluded, but that’s what makes them more dangerous now. They think they’re invincible and unaccountable because “anything goes” and when their GOD EMPEROR is on the throne he’ll make them national heroes.

ETA : @Petal

(yep, I keep forgetting to refresh before posting, and then I need to ETA, sorry)

It’s more of a brag than a whine, I think. They regard the word “racism” as some kind of anathema that THE JOOS brand righteous nazis such as them with. They’ve appropriated it (because they don’t understand how appropriating works) and now they just flaunt it. Any day now they’ll start wearing PROUD RACIST t-shirts or something, especially since, see point above, they’re feeling more and more invincible now.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@epitome of incomprehensibility
Yeah, I think one of the versions I was looking at of this cake was called magic cake. It separates itself into 3 layers as it bakes, or that’s how it’s supposed to work. I went with the Croatian version because it includes white chocolate. 😀 This is my first attempt so I’ll let you know how it turns out.

tim gueguen
4 years ago

Nazi fans never went away. A good example would be George Lincoln Rockwell. After being involved with a number of right wing groups in the 1950s he formed the American Nazi Party in 1959. Rockwell was apparently the first on the US far right to use the term White Power, inspired by groups like the Black Panthers using the term Black Power. He was assassinated in 1967 by a former member of what by then had become the National Socialist White People’s Party, Rockwell having decided as the ’60s went on to make his racist party less reliant on Nazi images and rhetoric. The ANP/NSWPP membership included at one time or another such future extreme right figures as David Duke and William Pierce, founder of the National Alliance and author of the infamous novel The Turner Diaries.

WW2 comics were popular in the US until the ’80s, when the genre fizzled out. Marvel’s Nick Fury originally appeared in Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos in 1963, before appearing in contemporary stories as Col. Nick Fury, head of SHIELD. DC had a wider array of WW2 series, the best known probably being Sgt. Rock. Others included The Unknown Soldier, about a master of disguise operating behind enemy lines, and The Haunted Tank, where the ghost of Confederate War General J.E.B. Stuart serves as a guardian to his namesake tank commander and (for much of the series) his M3 Stuart tank. Most of the stories featured the characters fighting against German forces.

brian
brian
4 years ago

@Sinkable John
not quite sure what you meant with your comment to me, sorry….

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen
4 years ago

For those interested in it, the Cap/Hitler punch as featured in Captain America: The First Avenger:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EsTBWWyYkl8

Though for some reason the sound on this one wouldn’t work on my phone. 🙁 Still gets the point across, I think. Especially the propaganda point that cover was supposed to invoke to begin with.

Mortarius
Mortarius
4 years ago

@Imaginary Petal: Part of the reason that many racists can’t “own” it is because in a sense society has effectively brainwashed them to say that racism is bad because they never internalised the education society doles out to make that point.

Like they’ve understood from societal background noise that “Racism” is a bad word with negative connotations and that they “should not be racist”. But because this conflicts with their true internal beliefs such connotations lose practical meaning and become symbolic. As in they are racists but they have been bombarded by racism=bad from birth so much that when someone says “Racism” they say “Bad” as a call-response mechanism without deeper thought or consideration.

Because they never properly understood why racism is bad for society or the insidious forms that it takes, they only ever learned the most shallow understanding of racism as a “bad thing”.

There are a variety of topics on which each of us is “brainwashed” by society (for better or worse) simply because society has a default position on almost everything that we may never investigate and reflect upon for ourselves. For example many people would agree with socialist ideas in the USA and would call themselves as much if Socialist =/=Enemy of USA as a default position, by the same token there are a lot of people out there who won’t notice that they are Nazi’s by the same token.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Between this and the Nazi PUA posts we’ve had lately, it appears that the white nationalist/alt-right/whatever you want to call them are not only racially exclusionary, they also don’t seem to want women to be part of their movement. Sure, they want white women to make white babies with them and they need them to be racist and anti-Semitic enough to put up with their views but they don’t seem to want them politically involved.

What do they imagine their path to victory is if such a small subset of people are welcome in their movement? They have enough numbers of angry white men to make people’s lives, particularly their online lives miserable. But how do they hope to achieve any actual policy goals? Do they even have any goals other than stewing in their bigotry? Apparently not.

(((Chiomara)))
(((Chiomara)))
4 years ago

@Jack

Me, too. Also, I’m not over today’s episode and I think it’s been an hour, I don’t know, I have been Overwhelmed™ with…her. And Pearl’s outfit. And it’s amazing and it’s my favorite episode now, right up there with Earthlings.

GLAD TO KNOW I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE.
I saw your new profile pic and I was like “YIIIIISSSSSSSSS SOMEONE TO TALK TO ABOUT IT”
I was so freaked out during that episode I just kept screeching 90% of the time. LITERALLY. I identify with Pearl SO MUCH and I am so immensely happy this season is finally giving her more focus! And this episode… She needed that. I needed that. You go, bad Pearl and bad GOOOORGEOUS Mystery Girl.

And I am SO hyped about the fact this will air on tv for countless children worldwide, that will learn two girls can flirt exactly like a boy and a girl… I just… This show is my favorite thing ever. It’s FLAWLESS and so important. I which I could hug Rebecca Sugar and thank her personally. It’s… The sweetest thing ever. So many important messages. My children will watch the HELL out of it.

(((VioletBeauregarde))): Social Justice Necromancer
(((VioletBeauregarde))): Social Justice Necromancer
4 years ago

*Sigh* Those assholes always have to ruin everything for decent people (or at least try), don’t they? (Team Instinct here)

Once again, I find myself reminded of a certain Indiana Jones line.

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@Chiomara
Finally, some people to gush about the latest episode. Oh man the nervous awkwardness of the first meet, the level of desperation and then letting the new thing overwhelm you to do things you wouldn’t do otherwise. And then, Pearl managed to get her number just like that. I wish to properly say my thoughts on the episode but I’m just too happy about an episode whose subject manner literally the years before SU I would never believe would get on TV in my lifetime. And no creep shots or hypersexualization like some cheap porno, just 11 minutes of pure goodness.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
4 years ago

@brian

Sorry, let me clarify.

What you and I would call education, they call brainwashing. They don’t see that thick line I mentioned – to them, it’s the same thing. So, as their thinking goes, since the evil librul HOOK-NOSED/SJW media and school system is brainwashing kids, them righteous nazis need to get to those kids and do it first.

The reason I empathized the word “thick” was to make sure no one would misread it as “thin” – easy mistake to make if you’re a fast reader, since “thin line” is a more common phrase.

The whole sentence was more punctuation on the previous points that had been made. Or a summary.

Sorry, even this isn’t quite clear. Can’t engrish up the right words, I’m afraid.

@WWTH

They have a weird take on women and activism. Anglin has stated that the Daily Stormer is “not for women” or something – they’re “allowed” to read it, but should “refrain” from commenting or trying to participate. ’cause it’s “male business”. This shit reads a lot like “let the adults talk”, it’s pretty sickening. At the same time he encourages the creation of separate groups for women, in which they would supposedly teach how to be an ideal white woman – spouse and mother, mostly.

There’s a case like this in France, with L’Oeuvre Française and the Caryatides, the former being now officially “dissolved” by order of the state on the grounds that they’re a hate group (that happened 3 years ago after the murder of Clément Méric – they’re still active, they just lost their legal association status and technically they’re forbidden to gather, but they still do) and the latter being a sister movement tailored specifically for women. The Caryatides do exactly what Anglin advocates, I believe groups like them may have been his inspiration ?

TL;DR they don’t want girl cooties in their “activism”, but women should join THE CAUSE by telling other women to stay at home and have babies.

Dalillama
Dalillama
4 years ago

@WWTH

What do they imagine their path to victory is if such a small subset of people are welcome in their movement?

Armed insurrection and/or a coup.

Megalibrarygirl
Megalibrarygirl
4 years ago

@Alan

Now the thing was, it wasn’t just that Nazis were portrayed as evil or silly or stupid, it was that they were losers; and they lost in the most humiliating way.

Indiana Jones made Nazis look stupid and like losers. But that’s the only time I can think of US pop culture dealing with it.

Nequam
Nequam
4 years ago

@Mega: there’s no small number of wartime WB cartoons, but I don’t think any of them air any more (and the anti-Japanese ones DEFINITELY don’t).

PaganReader
4 years ago

OT but David, did you see that Matt Forney is trying to identify Brock Turner’s victim? He also claims that what Turner did isn’t rape.

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@Sinkable John
If they are so intent on their spouses to be back to the ye olden days TM, then they might as well mass produce artificial wombs. They seem to not want anything to do with women other than a servant that can make more of them and mold said kids to be like them.

An alternative since they (fortunately) actively stifle their ability to spread with their patronizing policy, would be adoption. But again I think that road is closed off by their lack of concern for children that don’t share similar DNA, or be able to pass off as a responsible guardian. And that isn’t even starting on their success rate of having their adopted kid sharing the same beliefs. They don’t exactly have a niche community to keep a steady supply of their base like in certain zealous parts of the US and they won’t take the alternatives to actively foster growth, yeah in terms of population the net rate is stagnant.

Now as this pathetic attempt of trying to brainwash children when their parents would not be happy seeing skinheads approaching their kids, seems to be an extant of the most successful way for them to congregate, the internet. Social media has enabled them to convene and feed off each others hate and since social media has little to no oversight, they can spread wherever they want. Them trying to exploit Pokemon Go to foster ideas of neofascism in children seems to be them taking social media and extending its vile tendrils to new territory.

Now since people have actively set up watch groups to keep other Pokemon Go players safe from muggings and creeps, I see a recipe of a couple news reports on these bozos anytime now.

Valentine
Valentine
4 years ago

I like what Mel Brooks said that humour is the best defence against Nazis. So we should keep doing like David is doing here at WHTM. Clearly they love it when people get outraged at them but they hate it when we laugh.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Megalibrarygirl

Indiana Jones made Nazis look stupid and like losers. But that’s the only time I can think of US pop culture dealing with it

Springtime for Hitler?

ETA: ninja’d by Valentine on Brooks

(((Chiomara)))
(((Chiomara)))
4 years ago

Finally, some people to gush about the latest episode. Oh man the nervous awkwardness of the first meet, the level of desperation and then letting the new thing overwhelm you to do things you wouldn’t do otherwise. And then, Pearl managed to get her number just like that. I wish to properly say my thoughts on the episode but I’m just too happy about an episode whose subject manner literally the years before SU I would never believe would get on TV in my lifetime. And no creep shots or hypersexualization like some cheap porno, just 11 minutes of pure goodness.

Yes, I never thought it would be a thing in my lifetime either. You know, before that, I used to watch Adventure Time, which was THE super different Cartoon at the time, and the most lgbt thing, at least until the point I watched, was the slightly implied relationship between Bubblegum and Marcelinne, and I was already losing it. Then came Steven and a romantic relationship between Rose and Pearl was kiiind of implied and I thought “Okay! Awesome! That’s as far as it goes, I guess?”, then the relationship between Pearl and Rose grew MORE important, then Ruby and Sapphire came and I just COULDNT BELIEVE MY LUCK, and then Stevonnie, and then Ruby and Sapphire began KISSING AND TALKING ABOUT EACH OTHER’S APPEARANCE and now there’s THIS. It’s so beautifully blatant. It’s the sort of romantic episode/situation that every show has, but with two women, and so what?
So organic, so natural, so beautiful. And it’s not only that. There’s the body positivity, the WRECKING of gender roles, and SO MANY important life lessons. It began as “my weekly ten minutes of pastel colors and sweet silly thoughts” and became “THE NEW GENERATION OF KIDS WILL BE MUCH GOODER*, AND IT’S HIGHLY BECAUSE OF THIS CARTOON.

I DON’T KNOW HOW CN IS LETTING YOU DO THIS, REBECCA, but never stop, PLEASE.

*I hope you understand the reference

Valentine
Valentine
4 years ago

@Axecalibur

I <3 the producers!

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
4 years ago

Valentine

We all deserve a moment of pure mockery at its finest.

Steampunked
Steampunked
4 years ago

@Imaginary Petal
“He brags that he’s never treated anyone differently because of their ethnicity, and thus he’s not a racist.”

I know it’s preaching to the choir here, but one of the things I do is user experience research and some ethnography – there’s a certain point where often someone will, right in front of me, say ‘I need W feature, because I always do X’ while their hand moves to select ‘Y’.

Later on in the debrief session, if I need to know, I might say ‘I noticed you did Y. You told me you only ever do X. Why did you select this option?’

‘No I didn’t?’

‘Here, on the film.’

And they stare, shocked. Because people are terrible self reporters. When trying to be truthful, we always report what we think we are doing, as accurately as we can to our imaginations. But we are actually very rarely ever correct. And this is in a situation that is mostly social-neutral – once someone gets over the weirdness of working under observation, there is no moral question here. No reason to self-deceive.

For someone to say they have NEVER treated someone differently because of their ethnicity, and be dead serious instead of being defensive?

All the researchers I work with would always say ‘But how do you know that?’

Valentine
Valentine
4 years ago

@mildlymagnificent

Goddamn i wish youtube wasn’t blocked where i am right now :'(

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@Chiomara
In 11 minutes we saw Pearl go from thiscomment imagecomment image
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It’s just too adorable!

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
4 years ago
Dalillama
Dalillama
4 years ago

@Megalibrarygirl

Indiana Jones made Nazis look stupid and like losers. But that’s the only time I can think of US pop culture dealing with it.

I hate Illinois Nazis

@Fruitloopsie
My cousin is out there right now. He didn’t get savaged by the dogs, but the governor has called out the National Guard, and I’m frankly terrified. There’s a rally locally in support tomorrow that I’m going to; I encourage everyone else, especially Yankees, to look into local rallies or ways to support the water protectors if you can. Contact your representatives, send money or supplies, do what you can.

I would also like to bring to people’s attention that tomorrow is the date of the national (U.S.) prison strike, protesting the modern U.S. slave system. They could use your support and solidarity too.

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

WHY WASN’T I INFORMED THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT STEVEN UNIVERSE?

You guys already said a lot of stuff so let me mention Pearl in GODDAMN LEATHER JACKET AND A TALL PINK HAIR LADY WITH LIP PIERCINGS GETTING DIGITS AT A GARAGE BAND SHOW. It’s like they took my favorite tropes and mixed them in a blender!

And it was all just super goddamn gay I mean hole-lee shit. How much gayer can you get? And, like, WITH AN ACTUAL HUMAN TOO! You can’t sneak around and say, “Uh buh buh THEY’RE GENDERLESS SPACE ROCKS IT ISN’T GAY” anymore, can you?

No, it’s gay as fuck, fuck ya’ll.

And, hey, did you guys know that Mr. Smiley was confirmed gay by the Crewinverse?

http://66.media.tumblr.com/1d9dd8d3a0ae442a2ecfecce1760b652/tumblr_inline_ocuw32NVA01re8ugl_540.png

They gay too.

But, like, did you know Nickelodeon has the first ever interracial married gay couple?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecp1dEyGscM

These are exciting times to live in. Gay, gay exciting times to live in. Super fucking gay. Like, sixty years ago, it was practically illegal, not only to be gay but to marry inter-racially and now we have TWO interracial gay couples.

My fucking gay ass fucking loves this gay ass world goddamn.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
4 years ago

My fucking gay ass fucking loves this gay ass world goddamn.

This is now my favorite sentence, ever.

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

You know, theory, this beauty

http://67.media.tumblr.com/5cf004de8af800f05b7502acc182eecd/tumblr_od7eseE1v21tandono1_540.gif

is named Sakura because

http://blacknerdproblems.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Sakura.jpg

It just makes sense.

Also, she gives me a Ramona Flowers feel, and you know what sakura means? Cherry blossom. That’s a flower. It makes sense, right? Right?

This is now my favorite sentence, ever.

It’s mine, too. I think it to myself whenever I see anything amazingly gay and beautiful, like my girlfriend. *a-wink* (+5 romance)

Diptych
Diptych
4 years ago

@Steampunked

Later on in the debrief session, if I need to know, I might say ‘I noticed you did Y. You told me you only ever do X. Why did you select this option?’

‘No I didn’t?’

‘Here, on the film.’

And they stare, shocked. Because people are terrible self reporters.

I find this story absolutely fascinating! The idea of that moment, of someone being presented with absolute proof of such a gap in their perception… I’m sure I have more than my fair share of such gaps myself, but the whole idea is just so interesting.

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

Today is #doubleblessed because not only today was super gay but I found this

http://67.media.tumblr.com/cfcf0fd4dacf7867fd648049728c118c/tumblr_nyn9n7Hl4c1txepc1o1_1280.png

I like to think of this as a bit of a gay cherry on top of these good gay day.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ serebriyani

You make an interesting point. There can be something both romantic and motivating in that idea of “noble losers” especially when combined with a belief that their loss was caused by outside factors. After all it was the myth that the gallant WW1 German soldier was betrayed by the ‘elite’ that fuelled Nazism. And you see something similar with Confederacy nostalgists.

Yeah, I can see how it would be easy to form a belief that the Nazis (and related ilk) were brave heroes unfairly stiched up by a cabal of traitors and fifth columnists. That’s what probably feeds into the alt-right world view.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ megalibrary girl

Yeah, I’m still pondering whether there’s anything in my initial view that there’s a difference between UK and US perspectives on Nazism. People here have provided me with some good material to consider.

My initial (very random) thoughts are along the lines of Nazis as pantomime villains as opposed to cool bad guys. So we can contrast Indiana Jones and the Producers even. And Captain America punching out Hitler is like Batman punching the Joker. The fact that he’s seen as a worthy opponent for a superhero maybe elevates his status? (Look how many people think the Joker is cool) whereas getting punched by George Formby makes him look ridiculous.

There is a glamour around the Nazis and it’s not just down to the Hugo Boss uniforms. Red Skull looks cool. Nazi women in the media aren’t the docile housewives of Nazi propaganda films in dresses with puffy sleeves keeping their place and popping out babies for the Fatherland; they’re hot blond chicks with a penchant for S&M themed outfits (although the Nazi ideal for women does fit very well with the alt-right view of how they should behave).

Lots to ponder here. I’ll get my real work out of the way asap so I can have a nice think about all this.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
4 years ago

And Captain America punching out Hitler is like Batman punching the Joker. The fact that he’s seen as a worthy opponent for a superhero maybe elevates his status? (Look how many people think the Joker is cool)

Thankfully, there won’t ever be a movie with Heath Ledger as Hitler.

Something I’ve seen a lot in the fever swamps and particularly the Daily Stormer is that they treat Hitler as some kind of cool fictional villain. They make god(win)awful Hitler memes. They improvise “merch” items. They’ve even got Hitler-themed COFFEE MUGS for fuck’s sake.

And they project a lot of their shit onto him. At this point they’ve pretty much forgotten that he really existed, he’s a myth to them. A kind of Jesus whose Second Coming is in the form of Trump – incidentally, they also project a lot onto Trump.

Blackrising
Blackrising
4 years ago

Okay but what kind of kid – wait, make that ‘what kind of person’ – wouldn’t take one look at that horrifying Pikachu/Hitler fusion and run for the hills?

That is nightmare fuel.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
4 years ago

Alan:

WWII action comics were most popular in Finland in postwar era, which was when the Korkeajännitys title became a Finnish pop culture icon.

The main reason we imported British comics was that during Cold War it was politically impossible to publish pulp style comics about Finland’s wars with the USSR. How convenient, then, that there were Nazis to bash around 🙂

(((Chiomara)))
(((Chiomara)))
4 years ago

@Jack
Oh, I am sorry I left, I was sleeping.
Gay morning, everyone!
YES OF COURSE I KNEW SMILEY AND FROWNY WERE CONFIRMED CANON GAY. The thing about SU is that I know everything there is to know, and talk about it screeching and non-stop.
She can’t be named Sakura, because it would make her TOO awesome, and I already have an unhealthy crush on her, so someone please STAHP before I have to go through the shameful measure of buying a body pillow. She’s like a fusion of jasper and Rose, with a Garnet like personality *sweats profusely*
I love that Pearl is using the same kind of clothes I do when I go out to bars. Except I never arrive at the “swave giggling” moment, I keep being fumbled and panicked. Ah, well.

Can I have a moment to personally thank both SU and Netflix recent shows?
You know I’m just 21, and only admitted to myself I also like girls when I was around 18. I am still pretty closeted to my family.
[TW bi/homophobia]
I grew up to think lesbians were taboo. Like “they are people and should be respected… But they are not normal, and you should be disgusted by it, unless you are also not normal.”. I also didn’t know you could like both guys and girls.
So, I never was too good fitting my assigned gender roles (I am certain I am cis), and therefore was called a lesbian every since I was 12. When I was around 14 and started having attraction to both genders I was SO confused and scared of myself. At 18, with the help of my also bi bf, I finally accepted bi was a thing(not only to please men), and that I was it. But still, something inside of me still said that it wasn’t normal, it was something to be hidden, it was shameful, and my partner only accepts cause he is bi too.
And then things like Orange is the new black, Sense 8, How to get away with murder and Steven Universe happened, and oh, it was like something changed inside of me. Seeing it on TV all the time in an organic way made me FINALLY comprehend LGBT people are every freaking where, and we are not taboo or abnormal, we are just people having all kinds of complex relationships with other people and ourselves. And there’s nothing wrong with the way I feel, the way I behave, the way my relationship is, and if you see me ANY differently after you know it, then, hey, YOU are the abnormal and YOU should be the one hiding.
I feel so much better and we’ll resolved. I hide it to most of my family, at least while I live with them, especially because they’d never understand the concept of a partially open relationship or bisexuality, but other than that, I just talk very openly about it, without need to any announcement or warning. Like, I don’t need to go out of my way to explain myself before we touch certain subjects, you should already expect everyone around you may be LGBT or not, any relationship can be open or not, screw that, I won’t tip toe or hand everyone explanation flyers upon meeting them or give everyone a “TW: ME”. If I make you uneasy or confuse, your problem, I won’t apologize.
And I feel so freaking free!
Representation matters. A lot.
So, again: THANK YOU, Rebecca!

(((Chiomara)))
(((Chiomara)))
4 years ago

Jesus, look at the SIZE of my comment. Sorry :p
I love you, guys.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

Has no one else mentioned Hogan’s Heroes?

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Chio

Jesus, look at the SIZE of my comment. Sorry

No need to apologize. Thx for sharing. That was a lovely comment

Representation matters. A lot

🙂

@Vicki P

Has no one else mentioned Hogan’s Heroes?

*slaps forehead, then runs away to hide shame*

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

It’s okay, Axe. I didn’t think of them until this morning.

EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

(TLDR here. Ignore it if you like. I’m musing on why people on social media are being Nazis.)

I’mma channel Umberto Eco for a moment and suggest that western culture identifies four distinct tropes by the word “Nazi.”

1) Goose-stepping, disciplined Hugo Boss wearing badasses.
2) Genocidal lebensraum-loving killers.
3) Tyrants of the intolerant utopia.
4) A set of symbols, the use of which annoys your teachers and parents, letting you feel rebellious.

(katz identified the split between the first two. Thanks katz.)

When people say “Nazi”, they mean one of these, but it’s not always clear which one. Some people will deliberately play up the confusion between them in order to make or obfuscate a point. For example, when Orwell said “it couldn’t happen in Britain”, he was referring to Nazi Trope #1 – but as anyone who’s visited the Kenyan Highlands can confirm to you, British people are entirely capable of Nazi Trope #2 as long as it happens overseas.

Likewise, video games will usually make Nazis out to be Trope #1 because they look good and make a good power fantasy, but will hesitate to make any mention of Trope #2 or even #3. This is also true for fictional depictions: as katz pointed out, the Empire / First Order from Star Wars is a good example of what happens if you separate Trope #1 from the other three.

Likewise, we’ve all seen skinheads who adore the racism and violence of Nazidom (Trope #2) but who would totally fail at the discipline and dress sense of Trope #1 or the conformity and cooperation of Trope #3. You’ve also probably seen people who embody Trope #4 just as a fashion statement alongside other rebellious symbols drawn from anarchism and Satanism, despite the fact that those movements are entirely incompatible with any trope of Nazism other than #4.

There is also the irony of ultra-right-wing people simultaneously admiring Nazi Trope #2 while accusing their enemies of being Nazi Trope #3, and using extremely confusing and pedantic wording as a result.

Once we separate our culture’s use of Nazism out like this, a lot of things become clearer.

Captain America spends his time punching Nazi Trope #1. The people he punches are armed and on a battlefield, and their evil is only an informed evil. There’s no barbed wire and striped pajamas, and no ordinary German people trying to live under a harsh and intolerant regime. We can imagine that he is also against these things, but to my knowledge this not stated explicitly. There are no parallels drawn between Nazi Trope #2 and America’s historic treatment of her own native population, or Nazi Trope #3 and America’s historic treatment of her gay population. Was Captain America also against these things at the time? That’s a more difficult issue, hence why the comics stay on Nazi Trope #1.

On social media, Yiannopoulos’s whole schtick appears to be dancing between Trope #4 and the less socially palatable Trope #2 or #3. He’ll suggest something obscenely murderous or hideously intolerant, and then quickly take refuge in claims of trolling. This has evidently really annoyed people like Anglin and Auenheimer, who are openly fans of Nazi Trope #2.

Is it acceptable to be any sort of Nazi? In my opinion, no. Is it acceptable to use the more sanitised Tropes #1 and #4, knowing that some people would hide behind them to mean other forms of Nazi? I don’t know.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
4 years ago

All of the horribleness aside, I’ve never really understood the function of these kind of flyers. If they’re advertising an event or some place to hang out or something like that, I get it. Whenever I’ve been given an ideological flyer (most typically they’ve been religious), I’ve just thrown them out. It’s like they’re directed at people who don’t know different ideologies exist. I don’t know how many kids there are who’re going to go, “What, nazism, you say? Never heard of that before, do share!”

re: Korkeajännitys
I’ve only read one story, and even that was because it was by Petri Hiltunen and I was purposefully going through everything from him in the local library.

I think my aversion to Korkeajännitys comes from my semi-leftist upbringing. I seem to have absorbed from somewhere that all those war comics were nationalistic at the core and thus were propaganda or something. Can anyone tell me if there’s any truth in that?

Megalibrarygirl
Megalibrarygirl
4 years ago

I can’t believe I forgot the wartime cartoons or Springtime! Posting while tired…. lol.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ arctic ape

You may find it amusing that over here 2000AD ran a story in 1977 about an invasion of Britain (imaginatively called ‘Invasion’) but the bad guys were “Volgans”. Definitely not Russians, no way matey, pure coincidence that they wore Russian uniforms and spoke Russian (sorry, ‘Volgan’).

@ masse_mysteria

The Commando series (as it was called here) had a number of writers and the stories varied in tone. It was considered quite ‘progressive’ though in that, whilst there were some typical gung-ho tales, a lot of the stories were quite complex. Nazis were very much baddies but the stories could be quite sympathetic to the plight of the average foot soldier even if they were the enemy. They also doesn’t shirk from the realities of war (perhaps because many we’re based on actual accounts). They showed failure, and trauma and cynicism and fear, even of the ‘heroic’ protagonists.

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

@rogue angel (on the first page): I thought your anecdote – which was of perfectly reasonable length, no teal deers here – was a great addition to this post. Thanks for delurking!

@Steven Universe discussion: Aw, hell, I really wish I could watch that show. Nobody loves seeing women flirt with women on TV, especially in children’s media, more than this bi woman in a monogamous m/f relationship. BEAM The LADY LOVE DIRECTLY INTO MY SOUL, TELEVISION! Unfortunately, something about the colour pallete + the musical queues + the affects of some characters makes me lethargic and depressed. Who knows why.

Gay ladies I can watch on TV are the amazing Lena and Stef Adams-Foster of The Fosters. Anybody else watching that? Although I will say, SPOILER BUT IT’S A SPOILER I WISH I HAD READ MYSELF BEFORE WATCHING THIS PARTICULAR EPISODE, on a recent ep they did that thing that soap operas do where they teased a divorce at the beginning of the episode and ultimately revealed they weren’t breaking up at the end. I’ve always found that trope cheap and insulting to the viewer, but it was deeply upsetting when applied to what might be the only example of a healthy marriage of two lesbian parents that is on TV. It ruined the ep for me, because I spent the whole time worried they might actually follow through on their bait & switch.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
4 years ago

BEAM The LADY LOVE DIRECTLY INTO MY SOUL, TELEVISION!

I now have TWO favorite sentences ever.

rogue angel
rogue angel
4 years ago

@ Viscaria: *waves hello*

I don’t mean to interrupt the “Steven Universe” discussion going on now, though.

*goes back to lurker-dom*