Ah, the good old days, when me were men and women were c**ts!
You know, just regular c**ts, not the pampered, stuck-up, fat c**ts of today.
Such is the argument of an unusually spirited, if sometimes incoherent, mini-manifesto winning plaudits from the regulars in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit today.
In a post titled “Women/society made us think we were losers,” a proud MGTOW warrior calling himself shogunronin looks back with nostalgia on what he sees as the golden age of the nineties.
As a man who was gifted with growing up in the nineties, I experienced a time when women were c**ts but not as egotistical, a time where political correctness only was conjured in parliamentary buildings.
Ah, the nineties, “a time where SJWs were too busy listening to Korn or Marliyn Manson” to cause much trouble and when “fat women [weren’t] trying so hard to raise their sexual market value above men.” (Or at least above the sort of men who post angry manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.)
How far we have fallen! In the nightmare world of today, some of these fatties actually have the gall to think of themselves as valuable human beings who deserve respect from others.
Now, we live in the times of self-made female celebrities, single mother culture, the media who language shames anyone who speaks the truth, down to the gagging of conservative thinkers on popular social media platforms, fat shaming and it’s reactionaries,
Er, in case you had trouble diagramming that last sentence, I think that bit at the end means he’s mad anyone complains about fat-shaming.
He continues, making up words as he goes:
And lastly, the detasteful rise of Feminism and their eternal hatred for anything with a dick. As a result of the army of manginas, white knights, beta-facebook pleasers, man-begging on dating platforms, women now are in control of the dating market and are free to act how they wish.
Imagine, women — some of them fatties! — actually having the gall to reject good and decent, if maybe just a teensy bit misogynistic, men like shogunronin!
They are free to treat a man like crap because 50 others are queing up on her social media account. Some women are even calling themselves celebrities as 5,000 manginas cheerlead her on Twitter in the hopes of one day bagging those golden vagina lips that could never do anything wrong.
You may wonder what exactly shogunronin thinks vagina lips are doing wrong. Robbing banks? Writing bad checks? Going to see Lady Ghostbusters?
Shogunronin does not specify. He is apparently more angry at the owners of these “golden vagina lips” for refusing him and other perfectly decent woman-hating men access to said lips.
I believe MGTOW is a reaction to the woman uprising. Men who are sick and tired of female priviledge in both society and the court room. If you noticed, MGTOW on the internet had risen just about the same time that online dating went mainstream. It is a F**K YOU to all women who think they’re above men. We are going our own way, bye hunny.
But shogunronin isn’t just angry at women and the manginas who love them too much. He’s also mad at pickup artists for suggesting that the value of men is determined in large part by the hotness of the hot babes they date (or date rape).
Yes, that’s right. There’s actually a portion of his manifesto that sort of has a point.
As a man in my early twenties, I was indoctrinated into the PUA cult. I was led to believe that if i couldn’t attract a woman than I was a failure with women which equaled a failure at life. It was only after reaching my later twenties that I began to realise how dangerous this mindset can be.
Alas, after this brief moment of clarity, shogunronin is once against swallowed up by the ideological fog of MGTOWism.
Women were the only ones who benefitted from the PUA movement.
Because nothing benefits women more than having an army of aggressively creepy dudes using every psychological trick in the book to overcome “last-minute resistance” and get them into bed. (Or just plain date raping them if that don’t work)
It turned awesome men into tools. It provided women with a stream of unappreciated attention. It was full of men who went out building their entire confidence around women. I know this because we would discuss how shitty we felt when being rejected multiple times in one day and successful when we got laid. Women were constantly pressuring men to impress them, and now with the rise of social media dating, women have a eternal pool of meatheads and manginas who are thirsty.
Sorry, MGTOW dudes. Your self-esteem problems are not the fault of women who don’t want to have sex with you.
We now live in a culture that demonises men and rewards women for their shitty behaviour.
Apparently he’s very angry that women are “rewarded” for saying no to sex with men they don’t like by, er, not actually having to have sex with men they don’t like?
THE HORROR.
A fat whale now has access to the more attractive men while the average joe has to ‘brand’ himself both metaphorically and physically just to meet the outlandish standards of modern women.
How dare these “fat whales” only sleep with men they’re attracted to and who want to have sex with them!
The truth is none of us were losers because of these women,
TRUE. Your loserdom has nothing to do with these women.
the truth is women priced themselves out of the dating market.
NOT TRUE. They just said “no” to you when you came at them with your PUA bag of tricks.
Upon being MGTOW, I have been financially better off, I have been happier, I have more time to follow my passions in life other than chasing some egotistical self-made celebrity c**t.
Apparently one of these passions is posting bitter, woman-hating manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.
Life is good for me now.
I don’t … actually believe you. This manifesto is pretty obviously not the work of a man enjoying the good life.
Not surprisingly, the regulars in the MGTOW subreddit disagree with me on this point, applauding shogunronin’s mini-manifesto and responding with mini-manifestos of their own.
2045_revolution laments how exploitative the current sexual marketplace is. Exploitative of men, that is. Sure, he admits,
Men may use women as wet holes attached to a uterus, but women use men as wallets and sources of high quality genetic material. It gets demoralizing. As a man, the best you can hope for is to be a strong and healthy host for a female parasite to latch onto. When you think of guys in their expensive clothes, expensive cars, etc just advertising how filled with resources they are to parasites, it loses its appeal.
Meanwhile, 2045_revolution complains, some women he thinks aren’t so hot are trying to date men he thinks are hotter!
Internet dating and the rise of PUA culture have created a generation of crap women who think they are amazing catches. It used to be that a woman who as a 6 knew she was a 6. Now the 4s and 5s think they are 8s because of all the validation they get from thirsty men.
How dare women have the gall to try to date men they find attractive!
People can ridicule MGTOW all they want, but the exodus is really just starting. I think there will be sociological consequences. In ten years there will be tons of angry MGTOW men and bitter, used up women who got kicked off the CC. A society full of angry, bitter women (many of whom will be single mothers) who chased a hypergamous fantasy and ended up feeling used and empty handed, and lots of angry, bitter MGTOW men who felt ignored and devalued is what we are looking at. Nobody will win.
And if single mothers think they can have 2045_revolution’s “beta bucks,” well, NUH-UH!
Just as there is not an infinite supply of male 9s and 10s willing to enter committed, monogamous relationships with female 5s, 6s and 7s, there is not an infinite suppply of gainfully employed male 6s and 7s willing to clean up these women’s messes as they push 40. I say this as a BB who has had a half dozen single mothers try to use him in the last few years.
A fellow calling himself cheaperautoinsurance puts the blame on “smartphones and social media” for “basically destroy[ing] american women,” presumably because so many dudes who want to have sex with them say nice things about their selfies and sometimes send them lovely photos of their penises.
For blackierobinsun2, though, the roots of our current situation are rather more basic:
Women f**ked up America when they wanted jobs
Most of these btches going to college only work for a couple of years to end up getting pregnant and not wanting to work again, stupid whore just wasted a college degree and stole a job opportunity from a man feeding his family
Such a tragedy that blackierobinsun2 is taking himself out of the marriage market. What a lovely husband and father he could be!
Let me say it again: If you’re going your own way, fellas, just freaking GO. Lead your own life however the hell you want, as long as you’re not hurting anyone else in the process. Just stop cluttering up the internet with your ridiculous rants.
Facts such as women historically being barred from owning property, getting an education, holding a job, and, in many cases, choosing their own mate, which makes hypergamy a pretty useless concept outside of a narrow area of sociology. Facts such as the persistent wage gap. Facts such as people of all ages, body types, and stations in life finding mates. Facts such as the many zillions of contentedly married men who are not getting cucked or “divorce raped” (what an ugly and offensive term). RedPillers consistently deny any of this. Anything women say about what they find attractive is automatically dismissed out of hand, because they believe women are mendacious, irrational children who don’t know what they want. It’s a logic fail and the complete opposite of the scientific method.
So no, you’re not going to be able to start a Department of WomenSuckOlogy, sadly. The evidence just doesn’t support it.
That’s Dexter?
I think you’re confusing people who happen to be believe in something who have killed people and killing in the name of something.
But, like, if we’re gonna do “this people that have a certain trait have killed a lot of people so they’re bad”, guess who has killed more people in the last hundred years in America than anyone else?
Hint: It’s white guys. They kill a lot. Probably should avoid them since they’re obviously all bad. Good thing most of them are going their own way so no one has to deal with the whole murder-suicide thing they like to do.
You have teh right to remain silent but I guess you’re not gonna exercise it because that would actually make a lot of people happy.
@-Mick-Dash-
Anita. Sarkeesian.
To the rest of you wonderful, witty, delicious people, I’ve missed you and the content here so much these past few weeks! I thought of you all last night when enlightening an entirely different group on Mike Cernovich’s background, because I’d never have known his name either were it not for WHTM. I’ll try to pop in more often, at least to read and keep up to date. Ponies and pancakes to you all.
I tried to convince you to come clean, MD.
Now I’m just going to enjoy watching you get the chew toy treatment.
Theres alot of stuff about feminism I like…I went to slutwalk this year – it’s a beautiful thing – I like that theres a sexual violence awareness parade – I think it’s cool women organize like that – I’m really not against feminism – like I said I think I’m gonna get an A in gender studies – I think those issues you mention are important too – body shaming is lame
So…. are you going to make an argument? Ask a question? Pinpoint a topic that you would like more scientific data on? Or are you going to continue to monologue from your rear end?
True, true. I didn’t think THAT far back when writing my comment, and only reacessed this thought long after my comment… You know when something is so obvious you barely take a moment to think about it? I don’t know what huge brainfart made me forget about that queens were a thing sometimes. Ignore :p
http://m.memegen.com/igi8g6.jpg
Hun, I have been having a daily dose of exactly this kind of bull for 5 years already. Try harder.
Mirror, meet Mick Dash.
Mick Dash, meet mirror.
You harass women.
Also, you should learn how to spell harass — and a lot of other words. See those red wavy lines? I know that you have no intention of getting married — phew! — but you can still be friends with Spell Check.
What about the alimony gap? Isn’t it more relevant to hypergamy theory than the wage gap? What does the alimony gap tell us about hypergamy?
@Mick Dash
You’re Wishy Washy
Not unlike Schrodinger’s Wind Vein
Spinning at all points.
A kid in preschool
Is better at playing coy
Than you at moment.
This hypergamy
You keep peddling the burden
Like it’s your day job.
Alimony whew,
Please oh please tell us all here
Where you got that from?
Your tricks you think new,
Everyone here seen it too
Get new material.
Ktoryx
Yes, I asked for evidence that any one has any rights, as feminist dogma postulates, or shall I take it on faith?
Ooglyboggles
“This hypergamy
You keep peddling the burden
Like it’s your day job.”
Like I said, what do you think the alimony gap tells us?
You apparently don’t understand what rights are in the context of sociology. Pick up a philosophy course at that college of yours!
Short answer: Rights are a social construct. Feminism is the audacious suggestion that we should construct our society to give equal outcomes to men and women, and that we should remove those parts of our societal constructs which cause undue pain to men and women.
Shocking, I know!
Lol. No, it doesn’t support the hypothesis.
(It’s a hypothesis, not a theory.)
Show me a body of work that supports your “hypergamous hypothesis” with n>50 and maybe I’ll look at it sometime. Until then, the burden of proof is on you.
Yep, we’ve reached the WHAT ABOUT THE MENZ stage. Meltdown is approaching.
Besides, you do not want to talk about alimony. Seriously. This is not gonna end well.
Oh, by the way.
It’s extremely relevant. Bullshit is relevant to bullshit.
What about the alimony gap? Isn’t it more relevant to hypergamy theory than the wage gap? What does the alimony gap tell us about hypergamy?
You are spouting buzzwords. That’s not the same thing as making an argument. You are the one making the claim that hypergamy even exists. You haven’t backed up that claim with research, statistics, OR logical arguments. Then you throw out some lame rhetorical question on the topic you haven’t even established, like WE’RE supposed to do the work for you?
Keep trying, sport. You’ll get there.
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
“Rights are a social construct. ”
yes, like Santa Clause. And does a social construct necessarily always reflect the reality?
“Until then, the burden of proof is on you.”
Right, but you made the positive claim that the theory is bs, therefore assuming the burden of proof/evidence to prove it as bs
Kat
I was certainly in a consciousness raising group. Have to confess I was thoroughly fed up with the acceptance of Freud and associated theory by the end of it. The only sessions I remember clearly were based on Our Bodies, Ourselves and that linked to a few feminist writers who seemed (to me at least) far too committed to their (old-fashioned) Freudian analysis of gender.
There might have been university courses on the topic, but I doubt it. Adelaide University was a pretty conservative institution even though we were wildly progressive in general. We already had a woman Supreme Court justice appointed in 1965. We were also the first place in the world to criminalise rape in marriage, 1976. But we were simultaneously pretty staid and stodgy socially. Adelaide wasn’t called the city of churches for nothing.
The thing I remember most vividly from that time was the inclusiveness of women’s groups. I sat back and marvelled at one such meeting – I realised that I was sitting opposite Lady (literally a titled family) Lotsabucks who was sitting next to a woman who worked on the shop floor of a car manufacturer. And we were all completely in agreement on policies about childcare, flexible working hours and, surprise, equal pay.
I don’t know, why don’t you research it? Why don’t you google divorce stats, alimony stats, and pay stats yourself? We aren’t here to write your papers for you.
No, because it’s a social construct, that’s why it’s called a social construct.
Lol wat. No one has rights?! What?! Ever heard of the constitution? Declaration of human rights? I don’t see your point.
Maybe? I don’t know, you are the ones making up this bulshit “theory”, you say what’s important to it and what isn’t.
@Mickey D
I think I understand the problem. You’re unable to find the search bar in your Web browser. This is usually caused by having clicked “accept” on too many of those installs that ask if you want to add their custom search bar to your browser.
http://www.laptopmag.com/images/wp/laptop-landing/thumb/119676.jpg
No worries! You can now perform searches from the address bar itself. I suggest you look into the definition of rights so you understand what they are before continuing this discussion.
Let’s add “social construct” to my list of words you don’t seem to understand the meaning of, alright ?
Because something is not physical does not mean that thing is not real.
Social structure exists, because humans are social animals, and we interact with one another in learned ways.
Yes, the social structure talked about in sociological fields is descriptive, in that it’s a best-attempt to describe reality. Feminism could be said to have two branches – one side describing the current state of that social structure (descriptive) and the other exploring what changes would bring about the best outcomes (perscriptive).
Santa Clause, on the other hand, does not exist.
Santa Clause does exist, as a cultural phenomenon, but not as an actual person. It’s a myth.
(Sorry to burst your bubble :c )
Sweetie, you’re talking to people who do this stuff for a living. As I said in another thread earlier – if you’re going to play like this, you had best bring your A game.
@Mick Dash
You spout more buzzwords
And think no one else has heard
Give some links please.
You insult Saint Nick,
Yet he believes in giving
Do you call it weak?
Social Contructs are,
By design behaviors that
are social practice.
Links and perception,
of the groups, ideas, people,
See Dictionary.
Intentions of yours,
Shows that you won’t even research
Is Google too hard?
You debate as if
You’re speaking to small goldfish.
We can read your posts.
“Ever heard of the constitution? Declaration of human rights?”
But you said feminism isn’t a religion… if it postulates the existence of “rights” based on the dogmas of the constitution… why would I take the dogmas of the constitution as an article of scriptural faith…if it’s not a religion?
I’m getting a strong whiff of sea lion in here. Can we open a window?
@Mick Dash
This shit right here.
This is an example of why people are not being very nice to you. This is a very insulting thing to say about a group of people, of course you are going to get yelled at. I’ve only looked at this page and I can predict exactly what to expect of the other three pages.
It’s literally discriminatory and prejudiced and since you don’t actually try to show that there is anything to it (or that men would not do the same if women had more control of the resources in society) you don’t look like you have a reason making this irrational prejudice and discrimination. Literal sexism.
You are quite a piece of work. I’m going to enjoy picking your comments apart tomorrow. You are getting precisely the response that you deserve if you feel that it’s perfectly fine to go describing whole groups of people in terms like that.
Hee hee!
No, honey. I’m asserting the null hypothesis – that your “theory” makes no difference and can be ignored. If you want me to *not* ignore your theory, you need to support it with some evidence first.