Ah, the good old days, when me were men and women were c**ts!
You know, just regular c**ts, not the pampered, stuck-up, fat c**ts of today.
Such is the argument of an unusually spirited, if sometimes incoherent, mini-manifesto winning plaudits from the regulars in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit today.
In a post titled “Women/society made us think we were losers,” a proud MGTOW warrior calling himself shogunronin looks back with nostalgia on what he sees as the golden age of the nineties.
As a man who was gifted with growing up in the nineties, I experienced a time when women were c**ts but not as egotistical, a time where political correctness only was conjured in parliamentary buildings.
Ah, the nineties, “a time where SJWs were too busy listening to Korn or Marliyn Manson” to cause much trouble and when “fat women [weren’t] trying so hard to raise their sexual market value above men.” (Or at least above the sort of men who post angry manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.)
How far we have fallen! In the nightmare world of today, some of these fatties actually have the gall to think of themselves as valuable human beings who deserve respect from others.
Now, we live in the times of self-made female celebrities, single mother culture, the media who language shames anyone who speaks the truth, down to the gagging of conservative thinkers on popular social media platforms, fat shaming and it’s reactionaries,
Er, in case you had trouble diagramming that last sentence, I think that bit at the end means he’s mad anyone complains about fat-shaming.
He continues, making up words as he goes:
And lastly, the detasteful rise of Feminism and their eternal hatred for anything with a dick. As a result of the army of manginas, white knights, beta-facebook pleasers, man-begging on dating platforms, women now are in control of the dating market and are free to act how they wish.
Imagine, women — some of them fatties! — actually having the gall to reject good and decent, if maybe just a teensy bit misogynistic, men like shogunronin!
They are free to treat a man like crap because 50 others are queing up on her social media account. Some women are even calling themselves celebrities as 5,000 manginas cheerlead her on Twitter in the hopes of one day bagging those golden vagina lips that could never do anything wrong.
You may wonder what exactly shogunronin thinks vagina lips are doing wrong. Robbing banks? Writing bad checks? Going to see Lady Ghostbusters?
Shogunronin does not specify. He is apparently more angry at the owners of these “golden vagina lips” for refusing him and other perfectly decent woman-hating men access to said lips.
I believe MGTOW is a reaction to the woman uprising. Men who are sick and tired of female priviledge in both society and the court room. If you noticed, MGTOW on the internet had risen just about the same time that online dating went mainstream. It is a F**K YOU to all women who think they’re above men. We are going our own way, bye hunny.
But shogunronin isn’t just angry at women and the manginas who love them too much. He’s also mad at pickup artists for suggesting that the value of men is determined in large part by the hotness of the hot babes they date (or date rape).
Yes, that’s right. There’s actually a portion of his manifesto that sort of has a point.
As a man in my early twenties, I was indoctrinated into the PUA cult. I was led to believe that if i couldn’t attract a woman than I was a failure with women which equaled a failure at life. It was only after reaching my later twenties that I began to realise how dangerous this mindset can be.
Alas, after this brief moment of clarity, shogunronin is once against swallowed up by the ideological fog of MGTOWism.
Women were the only ones who benefitted from the PUA movement.
Because nothing benefits women more than having an army of aggressively creepy dudes using every psychological trick in the book to overcome “last-minute resistance” and get them into bed. (Or just plain date raping them if that don’t work)
It turned awesome men into tools. It provided women with a stream of unappreciated attention. It was full of men who went out building their entire confidence around women. I know this because we would discuss how shitty we felt when being rejected multiple times in one day and successful when we got laid. Women were constantly pressuring men to impress them, and now with the rise of social media dating, women have a eternal pool of meatheads and manginas who are thirsty.
Sorry, MGTOW dudes. Your self-esteem problems are not the fault of women who don’t want to have sex with you.
We now live in a culture that demonises men and rewards women for their shitty behaviour.
Apparently he’s very angry that women are “rewarded” for saying no to sex with men they don’t like by, er, not actually having to have sex with men they don’t like?
THE HORROR.
A fat whale now has access to the more attractive men while the average joe has to ‘brand’ himself both metaphorically and physically just to meet the outlandish standards of modern women.
How dare these “fat whales” only sleep with men they’re attracted to and who want to have sex with them!
The truth is none of us were losers because of these women,
TRUE. Your loserdom has nothing to do with these women.
the truth is women priced themselves out of the dating market.
NOT TRUE. They just said “no” to you when you came at them with your PUA bag of tricks.
Upon being MGTOW, I have been financially better off, I have been happier, I have more time to follow my passions in life other than chasing some egotistical self-made celebrity c**t.
Apparently one of these passions is posting bitter, woman-hating manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.
Life is good for me now.
I don’t … actually believe you. This manifesto is pretty obviously not the work of a man enjoying the good life.
Not surprisingly, the regulars in the MGTOW subreddit disagree with me on this point, applauding shogunronin’s mini-manifesto and responding with mini-manifestos of their own.
2045_revolution laments how exploitative the current sexual marketplace is. Exploitative of men, that is. Sure, he admits,
Men may use women as wet holes attached to a uterus, but women use men as wallets and sources of high quality genetic material. It gets demoralizing. As a man, the best you can hope for is to be a strong and healthy host for a female parasite to latch onto. When you think of guys in their expensive clothes, expensive cars, etc just advertising how filled with resources they are to parasites, it loses its appeal.
Meanwhile, 2045_revolution complains, some women he thinks aren’t so hot are trying to date men he thinks are hotter!
Internet dating and the rise of PUA culture have created a generation of crap women who think they are amazing catches. It used to be that a woman who as a 6 knew she was a 6. Now the 4s and 5s think they are 8s because of all the validation they get from thirsty men.
How dare women have the gall to try to date men they find attractive!
People can ridicule MGTOW all they want, but the exodus is really just starting. I think there will be sociological consequences. In ten years there will be tons of angry MGTOW men and bitter, used up women who got kicked off the CC. A society full of angry, bitter women (many of whom will be single mothers) who chased a hypergamous fantasy and ended up feeling used and empty handed, and lots of angry, bitter MGTOW men who felt ignored and devalued is what we are looking at. Nobody will win.
And if single mothers think they can have 2045_revolution’s “beta bucks,” well, NUH-UH!
Just as there is not an infinite supply of male 9s and 10s willing to enter committed, monogamous relationships with female 5s, 6s and 7s, there is not an infinite suppply of gainfully employed male 6s and 7s willing to clean up these women’s messes as they push 40. I say this as a BB who has had a half dozen single mothers try to use him in the last few years.
A fellow calling himself cheaperautoinsurance puts the blame on “smartphones and social media” for “basically destroy[ing] american women,” presumably because so many dudes who want to have sex with them say nice things about their selfies and sometimes send them lovely photos of their penises.
For blackierobinsun2, though, the roots of our current situation are rather more basic:
Women f**ked up America when they wanted jobs
Most of these btches going to college only work for a couple of years to end up getting pregnant and not wanting to work again, stupid whore just wasted a college degree and stole a job opportunity from a man feeding his family
Such a tragedy that blackierobinsun2 is taking himself out of the marriage market. What a lovely husband and father he could be!
Let me say it again: If you’re going your own way, fellas, just freaking GO. Lead your own life however the hell you want, as long as you’re not hurting anyone else in the process. Just stop cluttering up the internet with your ridiculous rants.
Apparently you didn’t read my other comment? Let me help:
There you have the reason why you should shut up about it. Cause obsessing over women is NOT going your own way. It’s going OUR way. And stopping there. And refusing to leave, while yelling stuff and throwing poop at us while threatening to leave bu never leaving. It’s just really fucking annoying.
Do you need help understanding this metaphor too?
@Mick Dash
First you deny
Then you claim No True Scotsman
Try something better.
Again check Reddit,
Your own hubbub of numb nuts.
“But they don’t count cause…”
MD
For pity’s sake. This isn’t the 1950s you know. I’ve had direct experience with two husbands. The one I married in 1969 was a feckless idle drunkard with bonus occasional violence. That lasted for about 5 years. I’ve now been married since 1978 to a lovely man who turned out to be a wonderful father to our daughters. Which one meets the “pre-packaged” husband role?
I also know plenty of other men. They’re all different. And they’re all different in the way they approach the roles of partner, lover, friend, parent. There is no “package”, there are only individuals and relationships.
“That has to be the richest one yet.”
lol show me one example of a “mgtow” man “harrassing” women – mgtow don’t roll like that from what I know
(((Chiomara)))
“Do you need help understanding this metaphor too?”
well, yeah, since I think I’ve been pretty polite to everyone here – if something I said offended you…please forgive me
Mick Dash,
Being an ignorant, hateful bigot does not make you a philosopher.
Yup. I’m waiting for my bank stuff to go through at my new credit union and then I can purchase a desk and a new bookshelf so I can finish unpacking my stuff.
I’ve been here for about two weeks now, and I’m so much happier. I’m sleeping well, and my roommates and I have been doing a lot of walking and they’re showing me their favorite haunts and stores.
@Mick
Again check Reddit,
Your own hubbub of numb nuts.
“But they don’t count cause…”
Playing Naive Fool
Won’t work all that much for you.
Better Trolls have tried.
@PI
Congratulations PI! We’re glad you’re having a good time settling in.
You want examples ? Good thing you’re already on the right site then. Go ahead, read.
You came here, making an ass of yourself in a place no one wants you.
EDIT: Also, like, there’s a search bar, just put in MGTOW, like other people have said.
Mick,
No. Lying and gaslighting is not polite
@mildlymagnificent
There weren’t many courses — but there were some.
I took an “experimental” course called Women’s Studies back in the 1970s. I think it was experimental because they didn’t know just how this whole women thing would work out. Would women last? Would they actually be around in the 1980s? So little was known back then!
It was taught by one woman (a former Nader’s raider) and “resource people” she had recruited from the college community and the town around the college. We had no textbooks, of course. We chose various works of early feminist literature to read. I read The Awakening, The Yellow Wallpaper, and A Room of One’s Own. We kept journals. And I wrote a term paper on advertising in women’s magazines. I looked at microfiche copies of women’s magazines dating back to the 1940s.
Some of us formed an extracurricular consciousness-raising group. A couple of times we met in a small lounge that was actually part of a women’s bathroom in a college building. CR groups were so important to the development of the second wave of feminism. I’m sorry that they turned out to be only a blip on the feminist horizon.
@Handsome Jack
Careful, he might get ideas from your Dexter gif and start saying feminism causes people to admire serial killers.
@Mick, you’ve suggested several times that feminism is a religion (i.e. faith-based belief) when we’ve told you repeatedly that there is a deep body of science and research on the topic.
You’ve suggested that women are hypergamous, i.e. enter relationships for money and personal gain instead of, you know, love and companionship. Suggesting that women are shallow and selfish by nature.
You’ve suggested that the abuse hurled at women from across the internet is just doods bein’ doods in their own hidey-holes so why should we care?
And you’ve played dumb instead of engaging honestly this whole time.
Those are the things that you’ve done to cause offence. Are you sorry for them?
Ooglyboggles
doesn’t it? who has a bigger kill count of innocent children: Adam Lanza…or the feminist icon…Barrack Obama
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Doesn’t feminism mean the belief that women should have equal rights? Is there any evidence which proves anyone (me, you or anyone else) has any rights? Or is it assumed as an article of faith?
“You’ve suggested that women are hypergamous, i.e. enter relationships for money and personal gain instead of, you know, love and companionship.”
It’s a predictive theory – do you think the data supports the theory or not?
well what I’m saying is don’t you think you could test it through the scientific method or is it simply inconceivable
OK buddy. You are a young guy on the internet, you have access to all the research you could ever need, you could find these hundreds of studies yourself if you wanted, truly, to learn. Or, as others have suggested, you could go to the bibliography of your textbook. But that’s not what you want. Actually learning is not what you want. You want to put us all on the defensive and make yourself feel super smart because you made it through 3 weeks of a gender studies course and outsmarted some internet feminists, ha ha!
I, too, remember being 18 and thinking I was the smartest person in the world for completing my first semester of University… that feeling fades quickly, my friend. Be warned: like, everybody in your life thinks you are annoying.
You know how I know you don’t actually have any interest in learning, besides the sloppy thinking, the lazy characterizations of your own beliefs, and the complete lack of any arguments of your own? Because you haven’t asked us anything real You know how someone who wants to know about something tries to find out about it? They ask.
“So, what’s this whole rape culture concept about? It doesn’t make much sense to me. Do you have any stats and studies on this subject?”
“Is this whole wage gap thing really real, or what? What’s the research say?”
“How much of a problem is gendered violence anyway? Do you have any numbers on that?”
If you asked any of those questions, for example, you would find that a host of Mammothers would be happy to load you up with studies and articles. But you haven’t asked any real or cogent questions. You have asked questions so broad they are meaningless. “Explain feminism”, “Disprove the Red Pill,” like you are assigning questions on the shittiest ever short answer quiz. These questions prove nothing, just like if you had asked me, “Prove biology,” and I said, “Prove WHAT about biology?” it wouldn’t prove that biology didn’t exist or had no research backing it up.
Being vague and then acting smug because people can’t answer your non-questions doesn’t actually amount to forming an intelligent argument. So here’s my suggestion, fella. Whatever it is about gender studies that is sticking in your craw, have a good think about it, ask a real question, and I’m sure the community would be very happy to help you out, with scientific studies if you so prefer. Lots of knowledgeable people here. I’ll even give you a list of potential topics pertaining to gender studies, to get you started.
Keep it clear and specific so we have something real to talk about. I suggest the following format:
“I have read that feminists often support the concept of X, but I don’t agree with this concept because Y. Keeping Y in mind, how can you support X?”
Here is the list of potential topics that could stand in for “X”. You don’t have to stick with this, but it’s a good starter:
Sexual assault and Rape Culture
Body politics/body shaming
Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Queer issues
Transgender issues
Workplace Rights (equal pay, the glass ceiling, harassment, hostile work environments)
Reproductive Rights
Stereotypes/media representation
Domestic/Gendered Violence
Take your time, have a good think, maybe do some reading. Then come back and tell us what, specifically, you think is so cultish about our beliefs on any one of these issues. That’s called “forming an argument,” and you’re going to need to learn how to do it if you continue your studies further.
@PI, I’m so glad you’re doing better out there! I hope things keep improving!
Well, because they are douchebags, and they want pity for not having…I don’t know…GOTTEN SOMETHING. What it is they want to have gotten is getting less clear to me as I read more of their work, but maybe it will eventually make sense.
Of course, I’m still puzzled by terms like ‘demisexual’. I don’t quite see why having a moderate or conditional libido requires a word and identity to go along with it.
But then I remember back to the 90s (which I do not really recall as being a time before feminism, BTW), and my father asking why I felt the need to ‘label myself’ by saying I was bisexual, so who the hell knows? Maybe I’m just getting old. My knee went out this weekend.
The difference is that neither I nor the demisexuals are spending most of our waking hours composing weird rants about other people’s aureate criminal labia, so I feel we should get rather more deference to our preferred labels.
Well, all of that is true, so carry on my wayward MGTOW, carry on.
@Mick Dash
Plays sound dun dun DUNNNNNN,
Google “well known feminists”
lol nope why do dat
Uses a bully
That attributes hate groups
“Gee, thanks Obama.”
http://pinkie.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw10680-heh.gif
First off, Barack Obama is not a feminist icon.
Second : if you want to compare his kill count to anyone else’s, at least be honest and compare it to another US president’s.
Third, and most importantly : this has simply no fucking relevance whatsoever to the subject at hand, namely that you are bullshitting us about being in gender studies, gaslighting the heck out of the whole thread, and generally being a dick.
Oh. My. Dog.
Yeah, Barack Obama says he’s a feminist. And he kills innocent children. Obviously he kills innocent children because he’s a feminist. Or maybe it’s because he’s black. Or a Christian. Or white. Or Muslim.
But what about other feminists who have killed even more innocent children?
Joseph Stalin
Adolf Hitler
Pol Pot
Papa Doc Duvalier
Baby Doc Duvalier
Really, the list goes on and on.
PS: So you’re a pacifist! I’m sure that when you’re not in the classroom you’re working hard with the War Resisters League or some other worthy group to bring about world peace, right?
I teach middle school. No. They’re very clear about the scientific method.
@Sinkable John
Yeah honestly I’m just starting to to get sick of it. Like seriously he talks exactly like my damn fascist/racist/sexist/transphobic/homophobic/gaslighting/sadistic/malicious ex friend. I had to deal with /pol/ & /r9k/ the person and he is really, starting to act alot like him.
Ktoryx
Theres alot of stuff about feminism I like…I went to slutwalk this year – it’s a beautiful thing – I like that theres a sexual violence awareness parade – I think it’s cool women organize like that – I’m really not against feminism – like I said I think I’m gonna get an A in gender studies – I think those issues you mention are important too – body shaming is lame