Ah, the good old days, when me were men and women were c**ts!
You know, just regular c**ts, not the pampered, stuck-up, fat c**ts of today.
Such is the argument of an unusually spirited, if sometimes incoherent, mini-manifesto winning plaudits from the regulars in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit today.
In a post titled “Women/society made us think we were losers,” a proud MGTOW warrior calling himself shogunronin looks back with nostalgia on what he sees as the golden age of the nineties.
As a man who was gifted with growing up in the nineties, I experienced a time when women were c**ts but not as egotistical, a time where political correctness only was conjured in parliamentary buildings.
Ah, the nineties, “a time where SJWs were too busy listening to Korn or Marliyn Manson” to cause much trouble and when “fat women [weren’t] trying so hard to raise their sexual market value above men.” (Or at least above the sort of men who post angry manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.)
How far we have fallen! In the nightmare world of today, some of these fatties actually have the gall to think of themselves as valuable human beings who deserve respect from others.
Now, we live in the times of self-made female celebrities, single mother culture, the media who language shames anyone who speaks the truth, down to the gagging of conservative thinkers on popular social media platforms, fat shaming and it’s reactionaries,
Er, in case you had trouble diagramming that last sentence, I think that bit at the end means he’s mad anyone complains about fat-shaming.
He continues, making up words as he goes:
And lastly, the detasteful rise of Feminism and their eternal hatred for anything with a dick. As a result of the army of manginas, white knights, beta-facebook pleasers, man-begging on dating platforms, women now are in control of the dating market and are free to act how they wish.
Imagine, women — some of them fatties! — actually having the gall to reject good and decent, if maybe just a teensy bit misogynistic, men like shogunronin!
They are free to treat a man like crap because 50 others are queing up on her social media account. Some women are even calling themselves celebrities as 5,000 manginas cheerlead her on Twitter in the hopes of one day bagging those golden vagina lips that could never do anything wrong.
You may wonder what exactly shogunronin thinks vagina lips are doing wrong. Robbing banks? Writing bad checks? Going to see Lady Ghostbusters?
Shogunronin does not specify. He is apparently more angry at the owners of these “golden vagina lips” for refusing him and other perfectly decent woman-hating men access to said lips.
I believe MGTOW is a reaction to the woman uprising. Men who are sick and tired of female priviledge in both society and the court room. If you noticed, MGTOW on the internet had risen just about the same time that online dating went mainstream. It is a F**K YOU to all women who think they’re above men. We are going our own way, bye hunny.
But shogunronin isn’t just angry at women and the manginas who love them too much. He’s also mad at pickup artists for suggesting that the value of men is determined in large part by the hotness of the hot babes they date (or date rape).
Yes, that’s right. There’s actually a portion of his manifesto that sort of has a point.
As a man in my early twenties, I was indoctrinated into the PUA cult. I was led to believe that if i couldn’t attract a woman than I was a failure with women which equaled a failure at life. It was only after reaching my later twenties that I began to realise how dangerous this mindset can be.
Alas, after this brief moment of clarity, shogunronin is once against swallowed up by the ideological fog of MGTOWism.
Women were the only ones who benefitted from the PUA movement.
Because nothing benefits women more than having an army of aggressively creepy dudes using every psychological trick in the book to overcome “last-minute resistance” and get them into bed. (Or just plain date raping them if that don’t work)
It turned awesome men into tools. It provided women with a stream of unappreciated attention. It was full of men who went out building their entire confidence around women. I know this because we would discuss how shitty we felt when being rejected multiple times in one day and successful when we got laid. Women were constantly pressuring men to impress them, and now with the rise of social media dating, women have a eternal pool of meatheads and manginas who are thirsty.
Sorry, MGTOW dudes. Your self-esteem problems are not the fault of women who don’t want to have sex with you.
We now live in a culture that demonises men and rewards women for their shitty behaviour.
Apparently he’s very angry that women are “rewarded” for saying no to sex with men they don’t like by, er, not actually having to have sex with men they don’t like?
THE HORROR.
A fat whale now has access to the more attractive men while the average joe has to ‘brand’ himself both metaphorically and physically just to meet the outlandish standards of modern women.
How dare these “fat whales” only sleep with men they’re attracted to and who want to have sex with them!
The truth is none of us were losers because of these women,
TRUE. Your loserdom has nothing to do with these women.
the truth is women priced themselves out of the dating market.
NOT TRUE. They just said “no” to you when you came at them with your PUA bag of tricks.
Upon being MGTOW, I have been financially better off, I have been happier, I have more time to follow my passions in life other than chasing some egotistical self-made celebrity c**t.
Apparently one of these passions is posting bitter, woman-hating manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.
Life is good for me now.
I don’t … actually believe you. This manifesto is pretty obviously not the work of a man enjoying the good life.
Not surprisingly, the regulars in the MGTOW subreddit disagree with me on this point, applauding shogunronin’s mini-manifesto and responding with mini-manifestos of their own.
2045_revolution laments how exploitative the current sexual marketplace is. Exploitative of men, that is. Sure, he admits,
Men may use women as wet holes attached to a uterus, but women use men as wallets and sources of high quality genetic material. It gets demoralizing. As a man, the best you can hope for is to be a strong and healthy host for a female parasite to latch onto. When you think of guys in their expensive clothes, expensive cars, etc just advertising how filled with resources they are to parasites, it loses its appeal.
Meanwhile, 2045_revolution complains, some women he thinks aren’t so hot are trying to date men he thinks are hotter!
Internet dating and the rise of PUA culture have created a generation of crap women who think they are amazing catches. It used to be that a woman who as a 6 knew she was a 6. Now the 4s and 5s think they are 8s because of all the validation they get from thirsty men.
How dare women have the gall to try to date men they find attractive!
People can ridicule MGTOW all they want, but the exodus is really just starting. I think there will be sociological consequences. In ten years there will be tons of angry MGTOW men and bitter, used up women who got kicked off the CC. A society full of angry, bitter women (many of whom will be single mothers) who chased a hypergamous fantasy and ended up feeling used and empty handed, and lots of angry, bitter MGTOW men who felt ignored and devalued is what we are looking at. Nobody will win.
And if single mothers think they can have 2045_revolution’s “beta bucks,” well, NUH-UH!
Just as there is not an infinite supply of male 9s and 10s willing to enter committed, monogamous relationships with female 5s, 6s and 7s, there is not an infinite suppply of gainfully employed male 6s and 7s willing to clean up these women’s messes as they push 40. I say this as a BB who has had a half dozen single mothers try to use him in the last few years.
A fellow calling himself cheaperautoinsurance puts the blame on “smartphones and social media” for “basically destroy[ing] american women,” presumably because so many dudes who want to have sex with them say nice things about their selfies and sometimes send them lovely photos of their penises.
For blackierobinsun2, though, the roots of our current situation are rather more basic:
Women f**ked up America when they wanted jobs
Most of these btches going to college only work for a couple of years to end up getting pregnant and not wanting to work again, stupid whore just wasted a college degree and stole a job opportunity from a man feeding his family
Such a tragedy that blackierobinsun2 is taking himself out of the marriage market. What a lovely husband and father he could be!
Let me say it again: If you’re going your own way, fellas, just freaking GO. Lead your own life however the hell you want, as long as you’re not hurting anyone else in the process. Just stop cluttering up the internet with your ridiculous rants.
But staring at your vagina in the mirror is. Because GYNOCENTRISM!!!
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It’s said the education system is dumbing down but Dashy teaching a class could deal it a death blow.
@Scildfreja:
I’m game!
(And to any lurking PUAs reading this, not THAT kind of game. Y’all can fuck in the general direction of off too.)
(Also, I’m rather touched that Skid Mark has stuck around this long. But I still don’t want ’em touching me.)
Uhhhmmmm
So we not only have to explain to you the meaning of the name of your “movement” but we also have to test your claims? Even though you are SO MUCH BETTER at science? What else do you want, sir? A foot rub, some lemonade?
What IS the hypergamy theory, by the way, care to explain? The concept is yours. By the way, correct me if I’m wrong, actual scientists who are present, according to the scientific method Mick knows so well, isn’t the correct name hypergamy HYPOTESIS, since it wasn’t tested and approved yet?
weirwoodtreehugger
it’s cool
Kat
It basically means having no intention of getting married in simplest most basic terms – to put it in feminist terminology – it’s seen as “toxic masculinity” to aspire to that pre packaged gender role of “Husband” – it’s not some place you go to, it just refers to this philosophy and lifestyle – not pursuing commited relationships in general and marriage especially – because it is seen as risky/harmful to men – believe it or not many women nowadays don’t want to get married or get a boyfriend either – it’s not just a guy thing necessarily
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Ok thanks very nice reply
“(spoiler: it’s bullshit)”
but can you tell me how do you reach the conclusion – what is the reasoning behind it
@Mick Dash
I don’t know what Backlash is so angry about, either.
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Huh. And here all I thought was that it was a rather good way of getting to know what you’ve got down there, so you’re no longer mystified by it. I had no idea!
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@Mish
@Chiomara
Why thank you. I knew it was worth the effort.
@Sinkable
Back in mai day trolls can argue with everyone and anyone for dais, weeks even while making everyone else redder than a bleeding tomato.
@Mick Dash n’ Dine
Yay, you defined it.
Are you’re going to reprimand
Your fellow MGTOW?
Not really. We just put a bit more emphasis on it than most people do. It’s more like a hobby.
Besides, feminism isn’t a monolith. There are many different schools of feminism, though many can be lacking in some way or another. Hence why we criticize groups like White Feminists (which shouldn’t be confused with feminists who happen to be white), TERFs (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists) and SWERFs (Sex Worker Exclusionary Radical Feminists).
No, we can’t tell you how hypergamy works because it’s not a fucking thing, dude. It’s not even a “theory”, it’s sexist garbage made up by garbage people who are mad women aren’t falling at their feet, and instead of looking at themselves, they get angry at women and blame the boogeyman of “hypergamy” that they made up to assure themselves that they’re not lacking or wrong, and thus they don’t need to change.
It’s classic Sour Grapes is what it is.
Besides, why should we bother showing you this? You’re claiming it’s a theory, you prove it.
Simple. Go outside. Talk to women like you would a man, and not an object to fuck. Look at what women you meet are like. Compare it to Red Pill “philosophy”.
You want to know how I personally know it’s garbage? I know a lot of women. I am a woman.
Man oh man, these guys cannot handle rejection.
They’re so gross with all their entitled whining and hateful bullshit. If they weren’t so dedicated to hating women and projecting the worst aspects of themselves into us, I could pity them.
@PI, A whole lot of the “women are evolved to think like x!” and “men are evolved to think like y!” studies are unadulterated bullshit, anyways – and the whole rotten concept of ‘hypergamy’ falls right in line with that. I’ve yet to see an evopsych study that properly controls for all social factors.
Hoo, buy does an article like “Women pursue men with more money!” attract the popular science blogs and magazines, though, so the flimsiest arguments can get published as long as they’ll drive traffic. I’m sure plenty of labs are kept afloat by publishing damaging garbage like that, and the mig-tows just soak it all up unquestioningly. It’s gross.
How’s the move gone, by the way? Settled in?
@Lea
It’s so weird, they have so much confidence on YouTube and other media sites. Do they just get cold feet coming here?
Oh, I didn’t know you needed countless forums and sites shitting on women just not to get married. Oh, it’s a woman thing too? Do women have a WGTOW movement when they say crap about men all day long? Even though the pressure on women to get married soon is much higher? Oh, no, they just don’t marry and don’t care about dating, and shut up about it, right?!
Damn, weird, uh.
Everything about that was funny.
Every. Single. Thing.
@Slash Fic
Oh, that’s quite easy…just handwave away all facts that don’t support RedPill theory, because something something biased “femafia” SJW gynoconspiracy. Don’t forget a heapin’ helpin’ of AWALT!
It’s mainly a matter of sciencing harder and louder than everybody else.
@IP – Build-A-Forney Workshop, or Twitter troll starter pack? HALP CAN’T DECIDE.
@Ooglyboggles, it’s cause we’re here
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Male butthurt, whining.
MD
I’m going to take you at your word and believe that you’re looking for real guidance on learning about gender roles and feminism and relationships. I’m also in the position of never having done a course in gender studies or feminism – because there was no such thing back in the 60s and 70s. I lived it. And read it.
If you’re serious about it, you’ll have to do quite a lot of reading. Here’s one reading list. http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/02/a-reading-list-of-ones-own-10-essential-feminist-books/273337/#slide1
Personally, I wouldn’t recommend Simone de Beauvoir to a beginner – I found it pretty dense (and I also found French philosophy generally pretty tedious) even though I was pretty well versed in reading philosophy of the 19th and 20th centuries. And I can’t comment on the more recent publications because I haven’t kept up with them.
My personal list of essential, preliminary background reading would be Betty Friedan, Kate Millett, Germaine Greer and, not as well known, The Sceptical Feminist by Janet Radcliffe Richards. I also read a couple of Margaret Mead’s books but I wouldn’t count them as essential or central, just useful.
If that list is too long for you – or you don’t think you’ll get through it in time to be useful for this course – I’d go for Radcliffe Richards ahead of all the others. She does a very nice analysis of the concepts of equality and justice and how they have to be incorporated into any theories and policies. The paperback is available quite cheaply second hand online. Just make sure the “sceptical feminist” you’re looking at is hers. There are several other published works with similar titles.
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
“just handwave away all facts that don’t support RedPill theory”
facts such as…?
mildlymagnificent
thanks nice post I appreciate it
(((Chiomara)))
“Oh, no, they just don’t marry and don’t care about dating, and shut up about it, right?!”
Why would we shut up about it? There’s a whole philosophy to it…
@Mick Dash
You got no journals
You got no high accolades
You have anything?
Hmm Hypergamy.
Do you have your studies here?
Can we take a peak?
If you aren’t joking,
Please give these texts a good read
And see for yourself.
@Mick Dash
Well, now I just have more questions.
Why call it Men Going Their Own Way when you mean Men with No Intention of Getting Married? Because that name is misleading.
Why say, “Bye hunny” when you mean “I have no intention of getting married”? Again with the misdirection.
Also, why don’t Men Going Their Own Way call it Men Harassing Women instead? You’re not going your way — you’re going our way, and you’re doing that only to belittle and annoy us.
Doesn’t a manly man say what he means?
And doesn’t a manly man mean what he says?
Isn’t that the men’s code of honor?
Mick Dash,
How long are you going to keep pretending youre three weeks into a college course and still know nothing about the subject and can’t provide a single source?
I think you’ve never stepped foot in a college class or you’d know they don’t work the way you imagine they do. You’ve never read anything about feminism that wasn’t pulled from some other misogynist’s ass either. This is not the sort of thing you can fake on the fly. You are in way over your head now. You’re attempting to lie to the wrong people. This will not end well for your ego.
Wanna try the truth instead?
Kat
where do you see mgtows “harassing” women?
Lea: lol what do you want to know? Believe it or not but the class isn’t all about feminism…in fact the word “feminism” has only been mentioned one time…tommorrow concludes week 3 of the class – what about this is so hard to believe? I actually like some stuff about feminism
That has to be the richest one yet.
@Chiomara
Why thank you 🙂 You rock too. Good to see you around again.
Not quite true; only about 99.9% probably. Various queens of England have started numerous wars, frex, and the likes of Boudicca or Granuaile fought like tigers. That’s only the British Isles too. Of course, there’s also the percentage of non military violence committed by men, which is also gonna be way up there in the 99% range.
@WWTH
Sometimes really basic intro courses in social sciences have them.