Ah, the good old days, when me were men and women were c**ts!
You know, just regular c**ts, not the pampered, stuck-up, fat c**ts of today.
Such is the argument of an unusually spirited, if sometimes incoherent, mini-manifesto winning plaudits from the regulars in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit today.
In a post titled “Women/society made us think we were losers,” a proud MGTOW warrior calling himself shogunronin looks back with nostalgia on what he sees as the golden age of the nineties.
As a man who was gifted with growing up in the nineties, I experienced a time when women were c**ts but not as egotistical, a time where political correctness only was conjured in parliamentary buildings.
Ah, the nineties, “a time where SJWs were too busy listening to Korn or Marliyn Manson” to cause much trouble and when “fat women [weren’t] trying so hard to raise their sexual market value above men.” (Or at least above the sort of men who post angry manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.)
How far we have fallen! In the nightmare world of today, some of these fatties actually have the gall to think of themselves as valuable human beings who deserve respect from others.
Now, we live in the times of self-made female celebrities, single mother culture, the media who language shames anyone who speaks the truth, down to the gagging of conservative thinkers on popular social media platforms, fat shaming and it’s reactionaries,
Er, in case you had trouble diagramming that last sentence, I think that bit at the end means he’s mad anyone complains about fat-shaming.
He continues, making up words as he goes:
And lastly, the detasteful rise of Feminism and their eternal hatred for anything with a dick. As a result of the army of manginas, white knights, beta-facebook pleasers, man-begging on dating platforms, women now are in control of the dating market and are free to act how they wish.
Imagine, women — some of them fatties! — actually having the gall to reject good and decent, if maybe just a teensy bit misogynistic, men like shogunronin!
They are free to treat a man like crap because 50 others are queing up on her social media account. Some women are even calling themselves celebrities as 5,000 manginas cheerlead her on Twitter in the hopes of one day bagging those golden vagina lips that could never do anything wrong.
You may wonder what exactly shogunronin thinks vagina lips are doing wrong. Robbing banks? Writing bad checks? Going to see Lady Ghostbusters?
Shogunronin does not specify. He is apparently more angry at the owners of these “golden vagina lips” for refusing him and other perfectly decent woman-hating men access to said lips.
I believe MGTOW is a reaction to the woman uprising. Men who are sick and tired of female priviledge in both society and the court room. If you noticed, MGTOW on the internet had risen just about the same time that online dating went mainstream. It is a F**K YOU to all women who think they’re above men. We are going our own way, bye hunny.
But shogunronin isn’t just angry at women and the manginas who love them too much. He’s also mad at pickup artists for suggesting that the value of men is determined in large part by the hotness of the hot babes they date (or date rape).
Yes, that’s right. There’s actually a portion of his manifesto that sort of has a point.
As a man in my early twenties, I was indoctrinated into the PUA cult. I was led to believe that if i couldn’t attract a woman than I was a failure with women which equaled a failure at life. It was only after reaching my later twenties that I began to realise how dangerous this mindset can be.
Alas, after this brief moment of clarity, shogunronin is once against swallowed up by the ideological fog of MGTOWism.
Women were the only ones who benefitted from the PUA movement.
Because nothing benefits women more than having an army of aggressively creepy dudes using every psychological trick in the book to overcome “last-minute resistance” and get them into bed. (Or just plain date raping them if that don’t work)
It turned awesome men into tools. It provided women with a stream of unappreciated attention. It was full of men who went out building their entire confidence around women. I know this because we would discuss how shitty we felt when being rejected multiple times in one day and successful when we got laid. Women were constantly pressuring men to impress them, and now with the rise of social media dating, women have a eternal pool of meatheads and manginas who are thirsty.
Sorry, MGTOW dudes. Your self-esteem problems are not the fault of women who don’t want to have sex with you.
We now live in a culture that demonises men and rewards women for their shitty behaviour.
Apparently he’s very angry that women are “rewarded” for saying no to sex with men they don’t like by, er, not actually having to have sex with men they don’t like?
THE HORROR.
A fat whale now has access to the more attractive men while the average joe has to ‘brand’ himself both metaphorically and physically just to meet the outlandish standards of modern women.
How dare these “fat whales” only sleep with men they’re attracted to and who want to have sex with them!
The truth is none of us were losers because of these women,
TRUE. Your loserdom has nothing to do with these women.
the truth is women priced themselves out of the dating market.
NOT TRUE. They just said “no” to you when you came at them with your PUA bag of tricks.
Upon being MGTOW, I have been financially better off, I have been happier, I have more time to follow my passions in life other than chasing some egotistical self-made celebrity c**t.
Apparently one of these passions is posting bitter, woman-hating manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.
Life is good for me now.
I don’t … actually believe you. This manifesto is pretty obviously not the work of a man enjoying the good life.
Not surprisingly, the regulars in the MGTOW subreddit disagree with me on this point, applauding shogunronin’s mini-manifesto and responding with mini-manifestos of their own.
2045_revolution laments how exploitative the current sexual marketplace is. Exploitative of men, that is. Sure, he admits,
Men may use women as wet holes attached to a uterus, but women use men as wallets and sources of high quality genetic material. It gets demoralizing. As a man, the best you can hope for is to be a strong and healthy host for a female parasite to latch onto. When you think of guys in their expensive clothes, expensive cars, etc just advertising how filled with resources they are to parasites, it loses its appeal.
Meanwhile, 2045_revolution complains, some women he thinks aren’t so hot are trying to date men he thinks are hotter!
Internet dating and the rise of PUA culture have created a generation of crap women who think they are amazing catches. It used to be that a woman who as a 6 knew she was a 6. Now the 4s and 5s think they are 8s because of all the validation they get from thirsty men.
How dare women have the gall to try to date men they find attractive!
People can ridicule MGTOW all they want, but the exodus is really just starting. I think there will be sociological consequences. In ten years there will be tons of angry MGTOW men and bitter, used up women who got kicked off the CC. A society full of angry, bitter women (many of whom will be single mothers) who chased a hypergamous fantasy and ended up feeling used and empty handed, and lots of angry, bitter MGTOW men who felt ignored and devalued is what we are looking at. Nobody will win.
And if single mothers think they can have 2045_revolution’s “beta bucks,” well, NUH-UH!
Just as there is not an infinite supply of male 9s and 10s willing to enter committed, monogamous relationships with female 5s, 6s and 7s, there is not an infinite suppply of gainfully employed male 6s and 7s willing to clean up these women’s messes as they push 40. I say this as a BB who has had a half dozen single mothers try to use him in the last few years.
A fellow calling himself cheaperautoinsurance puts the blame on “smartphones and social media” for “basically destroy[ing] american women,” presumably because so many dudes who want to have sex with them say nice things about their selfies and sometimes send them lovely photos of their penises.
For blackierobinsun2, though, the roots of our current situation are rather more basic:
Women f**ked up America when they wanted jobs
Most of these btches going to college only work for a couple of years to end up getting pregnant and not wanting to work again, stupid whore just wasted a college degree and stole a job opportunity from a man feeding his family
Such a tragedy that blackierobinsun2 is taking himself out of the marriage market. What a lovely husband and father he could be!
Let me say it again: If you’re going your own way, fellas, just freaking GO. Lead your own life however the hell you want, as long as you’re not hurting anyone else in the process. Just stop cluttering up the internet with your ridiculous rants.
@Dim Shack
Just don’t buy the book. Go buy some ice cream instead.
Imaginary Petal: couldn’t you think of a methodology to test it with the scientific method
@Mick Dash
Oh Conspiracies,
how they muck up the poor brain.
No proof needed there.
Your hypothesis
Your burden to prove it dude.
Your problem not mine.
@Mad Hicks
Go your own way to the supermarket and buy a lot of ice cream immediately or Katie will haunt your dreams.
i can’t imagine that this isn’t a poe. who else says “alpha f*cks [sic] beta bucks” is a scientific theory with a straight face?
…And this is how I know Mish of Catlady Ascendancy nailed it when she said
You’re FOS, Mick Dash.
@Ham Dicks
How the fuck are you gonna “scientifically test” some random string of words.
EDIT: random string of what is barely recognizable as words
hyacinth
how is it not
Imaginary Petal
do you understand the theory – what is your understanding of it
Wut?
Are any gender studies classes taught from a textbook? The only only classes I had textbooks in were bio, astronomy, calculus and most (but not all) of my psych classes. I didn’t take a gender studies class, but none of the sociology or history courses I took used textbook.
ETA: American National Government and Greek also had textbooks. I forgot about that!
But no textbook doesn’t equal no books. College involves plenty of books that aren’t textbooks.
I think Mick Dash may still be in high school.
@Mick Dash
That’s fine if you haven’t bought it, Mick. I know that those books are expensive. Just give me the name. It’ll be in your syllabus for the course.
I’d point out that gender studies is typically run by the Humanities department of a university though, which are typically run by beardy old grognards. Er, I mean, distinguished Fellows of the College. So, no, if anything they would love to have a man in a Gender Studies professorial track. Revealing that you’re “going your own way” wouldn’t bother them at all. They’d probably love to talk with you about it.
Of course, revealing yourself as a MGTOW would reveal that your position has no philosophical or scientific merit and is nothing but a fecund morass of bias and hate, so yeah. Probably would’nt go so well for you after all.
Shorter Mick:
Holy shit, Mick is just leaping over these sharks, isn’t he?
How oppressed he is for not being able to talk about how women are all hypergamous sluts! He must hide his thoughts from everyone or else he will be hit by Katie’s Secret Police and drug off to the Bon Bon Mines From Which No Men Return! [/sarcasm]
@Mick Dash
Where is your paper?
How did you prove your statement?
Is there any test?
@PI
If he’s serious about being good at gender studies but hasn’t even got the textbook I doubt he has the discipline to further pursue this career path without some serious self evaluation.
@Bina
Even worse it’s not even a theory, just a collection of vague claims without any papers published in academia. It’s a hypothesis, a hypothesis that fits under the Gods in the Gaps fallacy.
@Kim Cash
Cover your whole body with ice cream. Now.
Hey, Dick Mash. You want to know how to REALLY Go Your Own Damn Way Already? It’s simple. Here, a clue…I would draw it for you with crayons, but you get the general gist, I hope:
http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1333173065847_5362037.png
As for your cockamamie theories getting respect in academia, dream on. It will never happen for a good reason: YOUR THEORIES ARE SHIT. A small, whiny bunch of woman-haters bitterly shitting all over the internet don’t deserve respect from ANYONE. That’s why you’re being mocked. We don’t even hate you; we’re just snickering and feeling sorry for you at the same time. You hate US because we’re not prostrating ourselves before your unimpressive dick like you keep expecting us to with all these threats to GYOW, and we find that hilarious. Get it now?
No, of course you don’t. You’re dense and determined not to. Just fuck off to a nice desert island with all the other male guano birds, okay? You won’t be missed. Really.
@WWTH
I’m gonna take offense if you don’t mind. High school is as far as I was able to go (because I wasn’t smart enough and also crippling depression pretty much ended it for me) but I’m pretty sure all the students there were smarter than that. Junior high, maybe ?
You’re the one who made the positive claim, champ. You’re the one who must back it up.
You tell us. How is it scientific? What methodology would be used to test it? What previous research leads you to believe that your hypothesis is even plausible and worth testing?
Unacceptable sources include but are not limited to; your boner, your ass, reddit, any chan, an MGTOW forum.
@ John the Regicidal and Sinkable
Sorry, this isn’t exactly an appropriate thread to be asking about personal stuff, is it? Just wanted to see if you’re ok.
@ WWTH
I can’t speak for the North American context, but certainly here, gender studies courses don’t use textbooks, no. Extensive reading lists of (gasp!) peer-reviewed articles and scholarly books, but no textbooks.
@Chad Skim
Are you even listening to me? Ben & Jerry’s cinnamon bun flavor. Go go go. We’ll talk about the fuxbux theory later.
@Mick Dash,
This “alpha fucks beta bucks” ‘theory’ isn’t a ‘theory’. It’s a hypothesis at best.
(It’s also a wrong one, because humans don’t work that way.)
@WWTH, he’s almost certainly a chan troll ‘avin a giggle. after all of the word-heavy teal deers we’ve had lately, I’m rather enjoying the mindlessness of this.
@Mick Dash
i don’t know that it’s not a theory, although it’s not one i’ve ever seen reflected in women around me and i find it a ridiculous, cartoonish portrayal of women
but your wording seemed to suggest that as the official name of that theory. as if “Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks” would be a heading on a syllabus
that’s very silly, don’t you think?
I’m taking a gender studies class at community college – it’s not that huge of a deal – there’s like 5 other dudes in the class – why is that so hard to believe – I actually like it and i think i’m gonna get an A – although I do not follow the feminist religion – I do respect the beliefs of others – but I don’t make a big deal about it – I try to be tolerant and respectful to believers whatever their faith – one day I would like to hold tenure as a professor of gender studies – and teach a mgtow 101 college class – I believe it can help young men to avoid the gynocratic programmed institutional slavery the gynocracy has designed for them
weirwoodtreehugger
well that’s why i’m appealing to the experts – maybe you can help me understand – what about what I’m saying is so far out – I’m saying I think AFBB can be tested through experiments or studies, do you think it can’t?
@IP
He’s not even responding to my haikus and impromptu poems, I worked all of five minutes on them. What do we have to do to get some response?
@Mick Dash
Typing dashes makes you sound like a twat.
A fellow atheist, you would write that.
@Sad Kimchi
Do you go with olive oil?
@Imaginary Petal
now i want cinnamon bun ice cream, it’s my favorite…why do you do this to poor defenseless internet souls 🙁