Ah, the good old days, when me were men and women were c**ts!
You know, just regular c**ts, not the pampered, stuck-up, fat c**ts of today.
Such is the argument of an unusually spirited, if sometimes incoherent, mini-manifesto winning plaudits from the regulars in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit today.
In a post titled “Women/society made us think we were losers,” a proud MGTOW warrior calling himself shogunronin looks back with nostalgia on what he sees as the golden age of the nineties.
As a man who was gifted with growing up in the nineties, I experienced a time when women were c**ts but not as egotistical, a time where political correctness only was conjured in parliamentary buildings.
Ah, the nineties, “a time where SJWs were too busy listening to Korn or Marliyn Manson” to cause much trouble and when “fat women [weren’t] trying so hard to raise their sexual market value above men.” (Or at least above the sort of men who post angry manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.)
How far we have fallen! In the nightmare world of today, some of these fatties actually have the gall to think of themselves as valuable human beings who deserve respect from others.
Now, we live in the times of self-made female celebrities, single mother culture, the media who language shames anyone who speaks the truth, down to the gagging of conservative thinkers on popular social media platforms, fat shaming and it’s reactionaries,
Er, in case you had trouble diagramming that last sentence, I think that bit at the end means he’s mad anyone complains about fat-shaming.
He continues, making up words as he goes:
And lastly, the detasteful rise of Feminism and their eternal hatred for anything with a dick. As a result of the army of manginas, white knights, beta-facebook pleasers, man-begging on dating platforms, women now are in control of the dating market and are free to act how they wish.
Imagine, women — some of them fatties! — actually having the gall to reject good and decent, if maybe just a teensy bit misogynistic, men like shogunronin!
They are free to treat a man like crap because 50 others are queing up on her social media account. Some women are even calling themselves celebrities as 5,000 manginas cheerlead her on Twitter in the hopes of one day bagging those golden vagina lips that could never do anything wrong.
You may wonder what exactly shogunronin thinks vagina lips are doing wrong. Robbing banks? Writing bad checks? Going to see Lady Ghostbusters?
Shogunronin does not specify. He is apparently more angry at the owners of these “golden vagina lips” for refusing him and other perfectly decent woman-hating men access to said lips.
I believe MGTOW is a reaction to the woman uprising. Men who are sick and tired of female priviledge in both society and the court room. If you noticed, MGTOW on the internet had risen just about the same time that online dating went mainstream. It is a F**K YOU to all women who think they’re above men. We are going our own way, bye hunny.
But shogunronin isn’t just angry at women and the manginas who love them too much. He’s also mad at pickup artists for suggesting that the value of men is determined in large part by the hotness of the hot babes they date (or date rape).
Yes, that’s right. There’s actually a portion of his manifesto that sort of has a point.
As a man in my early twenties, I was indoctrinated into the PUA cult. I was led to believe that if i couldn’t attract a woman than I was a failure with women which equaled a failure at life. It was only after reaching my later twenties that I began to realise how dangerous this mindset can be.
Alas, after this brief moment of clarity, shogunronin is once against swallowed up by the ideological fog of MGTOWism.
Women were the only ones who benefitted from the PUA movement.
Because nothing benefits women more than having an army of aggressively creepy dudes using every psychological trick in the book to overcome “last-minute resistance” and get them into bed. (Or just plain date raping them if that don’t work)
It turned awesome men into tools. It provided women with a stream of unappreciated attention. It was full of men who went out building their entire confidence around women. I know this because we would discuss how shitty we felt when being rejected multiple times in one day and successful when we got laid. Women were constantly pressuring men to impress them, and now with the rise of social media dating, women have a eternal pool of meatheads and manginas who are thirsty.
Sorry, MGTOW dudes. Your self-esteem problems are not the fault of women who don’t want to have sex with you.
We now live in a culture that demonises men and rewards women for their shitty behaviour.
Apparently he’s very angry that women are “rewarded” for saying no to sex with men they don’t like by, er, not actually having to have sex with men they don’t like?
THE HORROR.
A fat whale now has access to the more attractive men while the average joe has to ‘brand’ himself both metaphorically and physically just to meet the outlandish standards of modern women.
How dare these “fat whales” only sleep with men they’re attracted to and who want to have sex with them!
The truth is none of us were losers because of these women,
TRUE. Your loserdom has nothing to do with these women.
the truth is women priced themselves out of the dating market.
NOT TRUE. They just said “no” to you when you came at them with your PUA bag of tricks.
Upon being MGTOW, I have been financially better off, I have been happier, I have more time to follow my passions in life other than chasing some egotistical self-made celebrity c**t.
Apparently one of these passions is posting bitter, woman-hating manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.
Life is good for me now.
I don’t … actually believe you. This manifesto is pretty obviously not the work of a man enjoying the good life.
Not surprisingly, the regulars in the MGTOW subreddit disagree with me on this point, applauding shogunronin’s mini-manifesto and responding with mini-manifestos of their own.
2045_revolution laments how exploitative the current sexual marketplace is. Exploitative of men, that is. Sure, he admits,
Men may use women as wet holes attached to a uterus, but women use men as wallets and sources of high quality genetic material. It gets demoralizing. As a man, the best you can hope for is to be a strong and healthy host for a female parasite to latch onto. When you think of guys in their expensive clothes, expensive cars, etc just advertising how filled with resources they are to parasites, it loses its appeal.
Meanwhile, 2045_revolution complains, some women he thinks aren’t so hot are trying to date men he thinks are hotter!
Internet dating and the rise of PUA culture have created a generation of crap women who think they are amazing catches. It used to be that a woman who as a 6 knew she was a 6. Now the 4s and 5s think they are 8s because of all the validation they get from thirsty men.
How dare women have the gall to try to date men they find attractive!
People can ridicule MGTOW all they want, but the exodus is really just starting. I think there will be sociological consequences. In ten years there will be tons of angry MGTOW men and bitter, used up women who got kicked off the CC. A society full of angry, bitter women (many of whom will be single mothers) who chased a hypergamous fantasy and ended up feeling used and empty handed, and lots of angry, bitter MGTOW men who felt ignored and devalued is what we are looking at. Nobody will win.
And if single mothers think they can have 2045_revolution’s “beta bucks,” well, NUH-UH!
Just as there is not an infinite supply of male 9s and 10s willing to enter committed, monogamous relationships with female 5s, 6s and 7s, there is not an infinite suppply of gainfully employed male 6s and 7s willing to clean up these women’s messes as they push 40. I say this as a BB who has had a half dozen single mothers try to use him in the last few years.
A fellow calling himself cheaperautoinsurance puts the blame on “smartphones and social media” for “basically destroy[ing] american women,” presumably because so many dudes who want to have sex with them say nice things about their selfies and sometimes send them lovely photos of their penises.
For blackierobinsun2, though, the roots of our current situation are rather more basic:
Women f**ked up America when they wanted jobs
Most of these btches going to college only work for a couple of years to end up getting pregnant and not wanting to work again, stupid whore just wasted a college degree and stole a job opportunity from a man feeding his family
Such a tragedy that blackierobinsun2 is taking himself out of the marriage market. What a lovely husband and father he could be!
Let me say it again: If you’re going your own way, fellas, just freaking GO. Lead your own life however the hell you want, as long as you’re not hurting anyone else in the process. Just stop cluttering up the internet with your ridiculous rants.
Chioma always knocks it out the park <3
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I like you, you’re hilarious.
Enlighten me about that flawless science. With scientific sources, please.
Mack Dish is just another fucking Mark, isn’t he? It never ends with this guy.
Hmm. I think the guy the OP is about may have elucidated the PUA-MGTOW link in the manosphere life cycle.
Guy wants to get laid
Guy buys into PUA garbage hook line and sinker
Guy realizes he’s still not getting laid
Guy experiences too much cognitive dissonance at the thought of having been conned out of years of his life and a fortune pursuing PUA, (which is complete gibberish, by the way).
Guy decides the problem can’t possibly be with PUA ‘game’, but with women.
Guy starts yelling that he’s going to ‘go his own way’.
Only two parts missing. Where do MRA’s fit, and WHEN DO THEY GO THEIR OWN WAY?!?!
well what I’m saying is don’t you think you could test it through the scientific method or is it simply inconceivable
True. I’ll amend my syllabus. Not only is watching Fem Frequency videos not required, it is forbidden. We will instead watch both the Davis and the Aurini versions of The Sarkeesian Effect.
@Mick Dash, where are you taking that? That doesn’t sound like any gender studies curriculum I’ve heard of. What school are you at?
Are you actually in gender studies ? And if so, have you been listening ? Because you’re leaving out a lot of important stuff here.
@ Scildfreja
It doesn’t sound much like a gender studies course (and I teach ’em) but it does sound like a MGTOW description of a gender studies course
@ Sinkable John
OT, but how’re you doing today? <3
i rather keep it private but we learned about margaret meade and some other cool stuff it’s really neato why do you say that what is your class like
“Because you’re leaving out a lot of important stuff here.”
I’m summarizing three weeks of lecture material into one paragraph
@Mick Dash,
It’s all been thoroughly put through the rigours of the scientific method. There’s a deep corpus of literature to dive into! Your gender studies book has a bibliography, feel free to start digging! Or if not, google scholar is also your friend.
(Unlike the MGTOW and MRA claims which are largely publications of the University of Butt.)
Actually, come to think of it, this is already covered in academia. It’s called evopsych. Of course, other branches of academia tend to mock this as the psuedo science that it is.
Oh they’re falsified all right. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No one in academia takes evo-psych seriously and asking for “hypergamy theory” to be researched is akin to asking for creationism to be taught in schools.
I do adore the sheer presumptuousness of the right. They have no idea what major progressive talking points actually mean – only that they oppose them. So, they treat them as completely interchangeable, and expect us to buy the ridiculous claims they put in their boogiemen’s mouths.
Frankly, Mick Dash, it’s because we a) know what Gender studies are, and b) we have actual gender studies scholars here. So when someone comes in talking bullshit, we recognize it.
But hey, privacy is important, that’s fine. If you don’t want to reveal what school you’re going to, you can certainly tell us what textbook you’ve bought for the course, right?
Thus Spake ZaraScildfreja Unnýðne:
Based on his laughably vague response, I’m guessing the only “course” he’s studying right now is Bovine Coprology 101.
@Mick
Almost all leaders were men
Which gave them more power back then.
To deny this fact
why interact
When you refuse the proof penned?
Oh, interesting! I didn’t know you needed degrees to know blatantly obvious stuff such as these, even toddlers know that until just a little while ago all wars were 100% fought and started by men, and nowadays they’re only like, 90%, but there you go, Mickie. Maybe next semester you learn metaphors and punctuation.
Did anyone understand this sentence? Uh, maybe next semester.
I don’t know. He’s lacking some of the tells. He hasn’t talked about feminism being good for men yet. Mark doesn’t really try to hid his Markiness.
I don’t think he’s Lars/Glenn because he hasn’t said anything hate crushtastic about me. In fact, this one is totally ignoring me.
No teal deer so he can’t be MishMash or Shallow Grave.
No trying to sell us on Honey Badger videos so he’s not Orange Tango Drinker.
I think this is either a freshly minted troll or an older one who has been gone a spell.
I thought it might be a unit on Aurochs Coproliths!
@PocketNerd
Classic alt-right procedure, keep things vague in hopes that no one calls your bull.
EDIT: Aw great the posts are out of order again.
@Diptych
Ralphy no, you were so innocent.
Ah, so we do know who he is, then!
It’s funny you should ask, Dick Mash. I’ll answer : I’m not in gender studies. I’m not even in any studies whatsoever anymore. Yet I can still tell you’re completely bullshitting us about it. That says a lot about how conspicuous said bullshitting is, if even I could spot it.
@Mish
It’s… going weird, I guess. How are you ? 🙂
I still haven’t actually bought the textbook – my professor is more of a lecturer than a book follower – but I plan on buying it soon – I just think I want to be a professor of gender myself – if I ever reveal I’m mgtow – I could face discrimination from the gynocratic femafia which basically runs the gender studies racket
Did Dank Mitch just call “alpha fux beta bux” a scientific theory? That’s it. Fuck it, time to abandon English and create a new language in which words mean things.