Ah, the good old days, when me were men and women were c**ts!
You know, just regular c**ts, not the pampered, stuck-up, fat c**ts of today.
Such is the argument of an unusually spirited, if sometimes incoherent, mini-manifesto winning plaudits from the regulars in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit today.
In a post titled “Women/society made us think we were losers,” a proud MGTOW warrior calling himself shogunronin looks back with nostalgia on what he sees as the golden age of the nineties.
As a man who was gifted with growing up in the nineties, I experienced a time when women were c**ts but not as egotistical, a time where political correctness only was conjured in parliamentary buildings.
Ah, the nineties, “a time where SJWs were too busy listening to Korn or Marliyn Manson” to cause much trouble and when “fat women [weren’t] trying so hard to raise their sexual market value above men.” (Or at least above the sort of men who post angry manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.)
How far we have fallen! In the nightmare world of today, some of these fatties actually have the gall to think of themselves as valuable human beings who deserve respect from others.
Now, we live in the times of self-made female celebrities, single mother culture, the media who language shames anyone who speaks the truth, down to the gagging of conservative thinkers on popular social media platforms, fat shaming and it’s reactionaries,
Er, in case you had trouble diagramming that last sentence, I think that bit at the end means he’s mad anyone complains about fat-shaming.
He continues, making up words as he goes:
And lastly, the detasteful rise of Feminism and their eternal hatred for anything with a dick. As a result of the army of manginas, white knights, beta-facebook pleasers, man-begging on dating platforms, women now are in control of the dating market and are free to act how they wish.
Imagine, women — some of them fatties! — actually having the gall to reject good and decent, if maybe just a teensy bit misogynistic, men like shogunronin!
They are free to treat a man like crap because 50 others are queing up on her social media account. Some women are even calling themselves celebrities as 5,000 manginas cheerlead her on Twitter in the hopes of one day bagging those golden vagina lips that could never do anything wrong.
You may wonder what exactly shogunronin thinks vagina lips are doing wrong. Robbing banks? Writing bad checks? Going to see Lady Ghostbusters?
Shogunronin does not specify. He is apparently more angry at the owners of these “golden vagina lips” for refusing him and other perfectly decent woman-hating men access to said lips.
I believe MGTOW is a reaction to the woman uprising. Men who are sick and tired of female priviledge in both society and the court room. If you noticed, MGTOW on the internet had risen just about the same time that online dating went mainstream. It is a F**K YOU to all women who think they’re above men. We are going our own way, bye hunny.
But shogunronin isn’t just angry at women and the manginas who love them too much. He’s also mad at pickup artists for suggesting that the value of men is determined in large part by the hotness of the hot babes they date (or date rape).
Yes, that’s right. There’s actually a portion of his manifesto that sort of has a point.
As a man in my early twenties, I was indoctrinated into the PUA cult. I was led to believe that if i couldn’t attract a woman than I was a failure with women which equaled a failure at life. It was only after reaching my later twenties that I began to realise how dangerous this mindset can be.
Alas, after this brief moment of clarity, shogunronin is once against swallowed up by the ideological fog of MGTOWism.
Women were the only ones who benefitted from the PUA movement.
Because nothing benefits women more than having an army of aggressively creepy dudes using every psychological trick in the book to overcome “last-minute resistance” and get them into bed. (Or just plain date raping them if that don’t work)
It turned awesome men into tools. It provided women with a stream of unappreciated attention. It was full of men who went out building their entire confidence around women. I know this because we would discuss how shitty we felt when being rejected multiple times in one day and successful when we got laid. Women were constantly pressuring men to impress them, and now with the rise of social media dating, women have a eternal pool of meatheads and manginas who are thirsty.
Sorry, MGTOW dudes. Your self-esteem problems are not the fault of women who don’t want to have sex with you.
We now live in a culture that demonises men and rewards women for their shitty behaviour.
Apparently he’s very angry that women are “rewarded” for saying no to sex with men they don’t like by, er, not actually having to have sex with men they don’t like?
THE HORROR.
A fat whale now has access to the more attractive men while the average joe has to ‘brand’ himself both metaphorically and physically just to meet the outlandish standards of modern women.
How dare these “fat whales” only sleep with men they’re attracted to and who want to have sex with them!
The truth is none of us were losers because of these women,
TRUE. Your loserdom has nothing to do with these women.
the truth is women priced themselves out of the dating market.
NOT TRUE. They just said “no” to you when you came at them with your PUA bag of tricks.
Upon being MGTOW, I have been financially better off, I have been happier, I have more time to follow my passions in life other than chasing some egotistical self-made celebrity c**t.
Apparently one of these passions is posting bitter, woman-hating manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.
Life is good for me now.
I don’t … actually believe you. This manifesto is pretty obviously not the work of a man enjoying the good life.
Not surprisingly, the regulars in the MGTOW subreddit disagree with me on this point, applauding shogunronin’s mini-manifesto and responding with mini-manifestos of their own.
2045_revolution laments how exploitative the current sexual marketplace is. Exploitative of men, that is. Sure, he admits,
Men may use women as wet holes attached to a uterus, but women use men as wallets and sources of high quality genetic material. It gets demoralizing. As a man, the best you can hope for is to be a strong and healthy host for a female parasite to latch onto. When you think of guys in their expensive clothes, expensive cars, etc just advertising how filled with resources they are to parasites, it loses its appeal.
Meanwhile, 2045_revolution complains, some women he thinks aren’t so hot are trying to date men he thinks are hotter!
Internet dating and the rise of PUA culture have created a generation of crap women who think they are amazing catches. It used to be that a woman who as a 6 knew she was a 6. Now the 4s and 5s think they are 8s because of all the validation they get from thirsty men.
How dare women have the gall to try to date men they find attractive!
People can ridicule MGTOW all they want, but the exodus is really just starting. I think there will be sociological consequences. In ten years there will be tons of angry MGTOW men and bitter, used up women who got kicked off the CC. A society full of angry, bitter women (many of whom will be single mothers) who chased a hypergamous fantasy and ended up feeling used and empty handed, and lots of angry, bitter MGTOW men who felt ignored and devalued is what we are looking at. Nobody will win.
And if single mothers think they can have 2045_revolution’s “beta bucks,” well, NUH-UH!
Just as there is not an infinite supply of male 9s and 10s willing to enter committed, monogamous relationships with female 5s, 6s and 7s, there is not an infinite suppply of gainfully employed male 6s and 7s willing to clean up these women’s messes as they push 40. I say this as a BB who has had a half dozen single mothers try to use him in the last few years.
A fellow calling himself cheaperautoinsurance puts the blame on “smartphones and social media” for “basically destroy[ing] american women,” presumably because so many dudes who want to have sex with them say nice things about their selfies and sometimes send them lovely photos of their penises.
For blackierobinsun2, though, the roots of our current situation are rather more basic:
Women f**ked up America when they wanted jobs
Most of these btches going to college only work for a couple of years to end up getting pregnant and not wanting to work again, stupid whore just wasted a college degree and stole a job opportunity from a man feeding his family
Such a tragedy that blackierobinsun2 is taking himself out of the marriage market. What a lovely husband and father he could be!
Let me say it again: If you’re going your own way, fellas, just freaking GO. Lead your own life however the hell you want, as long as you’re not hurting anyone else in the process. Just stop cluttering up the internet with your ridiculous rants.
Who’s complaining? Read the article. There’s a few names there. Gross, huh? Terrible behaviour. The blog is full to the brim of MGTOW behaving like that. Utterly reprehensible. I’m sure you repudiate their behaviour?
@Sinkable John
Such clarity! I’m gonna steal that remark.
*****
Why do they say, “Bye hunny,” if they have no intention of leaving?
Mick, don’t you have to Dash off somewhere?
Or does Men Going Their Own Way actually mean Men Harassing Women? I guess “going your own way” sounds better — less whiny, less arrogant, less menacing. More self-respecting.
A self-respecting human being doesn’t harass the person who doesn’t return his feelings. You betray your own lack of self-respect when you annoy, bother, and irritate others.
Go away now and become a better man.
What would the syllabus of MGTOW studies 101 look like?
Week 1: Women are bitches and cunts!
Week 2: Introduction to divorce rape
Week 3: Zombifying vagina goo unit. There’s lab work for this one!
Week 4: Sex tourism and you
Week 5: Different types of fatties and how to avoid them
Week 6: Sexbot engineering seminar
Week 7: How to create convincing sockpuppets for more effective internet trolling
Week 8: Tasty chicken recipes
Week 9: Field trip to Donald Trump’s campaign office
Week 10: How men are oppressed by butts
Week 11: Why Anita Sarkeesian is evil. Trigger warning: you’ll have to watch Feminist Frequency videos
Week 12: A brief history of supercool boycotts against movies with female action heroes
Anyone else got any syllabus suggestions? Professor WWTH is open to suggestions.
How do I do that
@Mick Dash –
So let me get this straight – no one is going their own way at all? Instead you’re all going to mill around in everyone else’s way, yammering onandonandon to all and sundry about how you’re going your own way?
How tedious. Maybe THAT’s why women won’t date you.
Thus Spake Zaraweirwoodtreehugger:
You forgot the all-important “whining on the internet” course. Actually, that would probably be damn near the only thing on the syllabus.
@WWTH
The chew toy actually has a certain charm that Mick Dash lacks.
Other than that, the scenario is accurate.
I think the Red Pills’ theories like hypergamy theory are falsifiable and testable, and quantifiable in terms of data, contrasted with more esoteric faith-based dogmas like “patriarchy theory” and “male privilege” which currently dominate the curricula of the Gender Studies field in acedemia due to the ubiquitousness of the feminist religion. I’d like to see more scientific theories like Hypergamy theory, alpha f.cks beta bucks, etc get more of their deserved recognition in academia.
@Dick Mash
Okay, now you got me confused. Do you honestly not understand how to accomplish your own “movement’s” mission statement ?
You know how people add “in bed” to the end of their fortune cookie fortunes?
You could probably just add “and whining on the internet” to every unit in my MGTOW class.
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I’ll add that to the syllabus. Thanks for your feedback!
I keep misreading “Mick” as “Mike” and mistaking this astonishingly inept troll for my favourite Fortean writer, which is making me a sad. 🙁
@Mick Dash
One little search on Reddit
Shows where you jerks said it
Everyone can go see
Non-stop misogyny
Give yourself more credit
You read somewhere on the Net
Of “theories” you believe set
But a feminist conspiracy
Leaves naught but awful tyranny
http://media.giphy.com/media/SriJPYsPgvpNm/giphy.gif
Seriously? Do you know how many books there are on these concepts? How many studies? Studies backed by massive, independently collected and verified data sets? Do you know how deep the researchers studying gender issues dig? The power of their statistics?
The methodologies of sociologists and cultural scientists are incredibly impressive. Quite on par with the medical sciences. You like medicine, right?
Do you actually know what you’re talking about?
Other than stringing together a bunch of ad hominems do you actually have a criticism or counter argument of the theory itself – and why the hostility
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Enlighten me please
It occurs to me that I could be classed as an MGTOW. I am indeed a guy who decided not to date about a year ago and I don’t have any desire to start dating or otherwise looking for a romantic partner again. That could change, of course, but for the moment I am Going My Own Way.
Only instead of spending my time on message boards talking about how awful women are, I have done things like improving my health, trying new hobbies and changing from a job I hated to one which I enjoy. And I have female friends who I spend time with – which I’m guessing these shining examples of humanity do not.
Men deciding not to pursue romantic relationships isn’t a new thing. Why does it suddenly need an acronym and a squad of douchebags singing its praises?
(Uh, hi. Long-time reader, first time caller.)
@Dick Mash
This is so wrong, on so many levels, that I’m not sure you actually understand the meanings of the words “falsifiable”, “testable”, “quantifiable”, “data”, “faith-based”, “dogma”, “patriarchy”, “privilege”, “Gender Studies”, “feminist”, “religion”, “scientific”, “theory”, and “academia”.
… I’m just gonna let someone more patient try and explain to you why that whole paragraph is the finest ignorance cake I’ve seen in a long while.
ETA :
Right, you do not understand “ad hominem”, “criticism” and “counter argument” either. Also “why the hostility” should be pretty obvious. You should just be glad some here are actually adressing you pretty nicely – the rest of us will stick to “hostility” until you get your shit together.
Ok cool – I’m still learning – I’m still in my third week of gender studies class
@WWTH, the trigger warning on the Anita Sarkeeesien unit isn’t required.
We all know that they don’t actually watch Feminist Frequency videos. They just talk about whatever Thunderfoot and Sargon says about them.
(Seriously, those guys have it made. They could make videos about how poop is actually gold and before you know it there’d be #ToiletMillionaire trending on the alt-right-internet)
@Mick
How do you go your own way? Heck, darling, YOU were the ones who gave the name of the movement, I was hoping YOU were the ones who were supposed to know what it means? Are you serious with my face?!
But let me be a good girl and explain to YOU what the objectives of YOUR movement supposedly are and how to achive them.
MGTOW is supposed to mean you refuse to let your life go in the direction the gynocratic society supposedly wants it to go. Supposedly, it expects you to:
-Try to make as much money as possible
-Give women attention
-Give your life and money to women, through marriage and dating
-Whatever the rest of the crazy shit is.
So, basically, sweetiepie, your “own way” is refusing to do all that. Is living as independently as humanly possible from women, society, and the expectations of society.
And what are so called “MGTOWS” doing? The opposite. You only fucking talk about how SAD women will be when you stop giving them attention and FILL your forums and sites and days talking about women.
Right now, you’re giving us attention. You’re not going your own way. You’re not ignoring society and it’s expectations. You’re not leaving us to our own luck.
If you think that’s what’s best for you and for the world, then LEAVE. Stop talking about women, about dating, about feminism. Go. Your Own. Way.
There, explained your own metaphor to you. Which is surprising, cause women are so stupid.
Oh, you’re in a Gender Studies class? Okay, great. What topics are you in right now? I’ll reply based on where you are.
@Mick Dash
You stake your claim
Putting the blame
From pure hearsay
Have you no shame?
So here are my particular favourites:
Oh, it must do. Unlike being described as “wet holes attached to a uterus.”
Wait. Are we all wet holes attached to the one uterus?
Can a pool be … thirsty?
I have so many questions.
@ (((Chiomara)))
I always enjoy your comments, but today you are out-doing yourself 😀
@Mick Dash
Still, gotta give you credit for not being as tedious as the other trolls we’ve had in the last 7 days. For what it’s worth.
Basically it’s about a bunch of stuff: biological sex is non binary gender is a social construct all that good stuff, gender norms fluctuate around the world the topic we’re covering now is how men are responsible for most of the violence in the world