Ah, the good old days, when me were men and women were c**ts!
You know, just regular c**ts, not the pampered, stuck-up, fat c**ts of today.
Such is the argument of an unusually spirited, if sometimes incoherent, mini-manifesto winning plaudits from the regulars in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit today.
In a post titled “Women/society made us think we were losers,” a proud MGTOW warrior calling himself shogunronin looks back with nostalgia on what he sees as the golden age of the nineties.
As a man who was gifted with growing up in the nineties, I experienced a time when women were c**ts but not as egotistical, a time where political correctness only was conjured in parliamentary buildings.
Ah, the nineties, “a time where SJWs were too busy listening to Korn or Marliyn Manson” to cause much trouble and when “fat women [weren’t] trying so hard to raise their sexual market value above men.” (Or at least above the sort of men who post angry manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.)
How far we have fallen! In the nightmare world of today, some of these fatties actually have the gall to think of themselves as valuable human beings who deserve respect from others.
Now, we live in the times of self-made female celebrities, single mother culture, the media who language shames anyone who speaks the truth, down to the gagging of conservative thinkers on popular social media platforms, fat shaming and it’s reactionaries,
Er, in case you had trouble diagramming that last sentence, I think that bit at the end means he’s mad anyone complains about fat-shaming.
He continues, making up words as he goes:
And lastly, the detasteful rise of Feminism and their eternal hatred for anything with a dick. As a result of the army of manginas, white knights, beta-facebook pleasers, man-begging on dating platforms, women now are in control of the dating market and are free to act how they wish.
Imagine, women — some of them fatties! — actually having the gall to reject good and decent, if maybe just a teensy bit misogynistic, men like shogunronin!
They are free to treat a man like crap because 50 others are queing up on her social media account. Some women are even calling themselves celebrities as 5,000 manginas cheerlead her on Twitter in the hopes of one day bagging those golden vagina lips that could never do anything wrong.
You may wonder what exactly shogunronin thinks vagina lips are doing wrong. Robbing banks? Writing bad checks? Going to see Lady Ghostbusters?
Shogunronin does not specify. He is apparently more angry at the owners of these “golden vagina lips” for refusing him and other perfectly decent woman-hating men access to said lips.
I believe MGTOW is a reaction to the woman uprising. Men who are sick and tired of female priviledge in both society and the court room. If you noticed, MGTOW on the internet had risen just about the same time that online dating went mainstream. It is a F**K YOU to all women who think they’re above men. We are going our own way, bye hunny.
But shogunronin isn’t just angry at women and the manginas who love them too much. He’s also mad at pickup artists for suggesting that the value of men is determined in large part by the hotness of the hot babes they date (or date rape).
Yes, that’s right. There’s actually a portion of his manifesto that sort of has a point.
As a man in my early twenties, I was indoctrinated into the PUA cult. I was led to believe that if i couldn’t attract a woman than I was a failure with women which equaled a failure at life. It was only after reaching my later twenties that I began to realise how dangerous this mindset can be.
Alas, after this brief moment of clarity, shogunronin is once against swallowed up by the ideological fog of MGTOWism.
Women were the only ones who benefitted from the PUA movement.
Because nothing benefits women more than having an army of aggressively creepy dudes using every psychological trick in the book to overcome “last-minute resistance” and get them into bed. (Or just plain date raping them if that don’t work)
It turned awesome men into tools. It provided women with a stream of unappreciated attention. It was full of men who went out building their entire confidence around women. I know this because we would discuss how shitty we felt when being rejected multiple times in one day and successful when we got laid. Women were constantly pressuring men to impress them, and now with the rise of social media dating, women have a eternal pool of meatheads and manginas who are thirsty.
Sorry, MGTOW dudes. Your self-esteem problems are not the fault of women who don’t want to have sex with you.
We now live in a culture that demonises men and rewards women for their shitty behaviour.
Apparently he’s very angry that women are “rewarded” for saying no to sex with men they don’t like by, er, not actually having to have sex with men they don’t like?
THE HORROR.
A fat whale now has access to the more attractive men while the average joe has to ‘brand’ himself both metaphorically and physically just to meet the outlandish standards of modern women.
How dare these “fat whales” only sleep with men they’re attracted to and who want to have sex with them!
The truth is none of us were losers because of these women,
TRUE. Your loserdom has nothing to do with these women.
the truth is women priced themselves out of the dating market.
NOT TRUE. They just said “no” to you when you came at them with your PUA bag of tricks.
Upon being MGTOW, I have been financially better off, I have been happier, I have more time to follow my passions in life other than chasing some egotistical self-made celebrity c**t.
Apparently one of these passions is posting bitter, woman-hating manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.
Life is good for me now.
I don’t … actually believe you. This manifesto is pretty obviously not the work of a man enjoying the good life.
Not surprisingly, the regulars in the MGTOW subreddit disagree with me on this point, applauding shogunronin’s mini-manifesto and responding with mini-manifestos of their own.
2045_revolution laments how exploitative the current sexual marketplace is. Exploitative of men, that is. Sure, he admits,
Men may use women as wet holes attached to a uterus, but women use men as wallets and sources of high quality genetic material. It gets demoralizing. As a man, the best you can hope for is to be a strong and healthy host for a female parasite to latch onto. When you think of guys in their expensive clothes, expensive cars, etc just advertising how filled with resources they are to parasites, it loses its appeal.
Meanwhile, 2045_revolution complains, some women he thinks aren’t so hot are trying to date men he thinks are hotter!
Internet dating and the rise of PUA culture have created a generation of crap women who think they are amazing catches. It used to be that a woman who as a 6 knew she was a 6. Now the 4s and 5s think they are 8s because of all the validation they get from thirsty men.
How dare women have the gall to try to date men they find attractive!
People can ridicule MGTOW all they want, but the exodus is really just starting. I think there will be sociological consequences. In ten years there will be tons of angry MGTOW men and bitter, used up women who got kicked off the CC. A society full of angry, bitter women (many of whom will be single mothers) who chased a hypergamous fantasy and ended up feeling used and empty handed, and lots of angry, bitter MGTOW men who felt ignored and devalued is what we are looking at. Nobody will win.
And if single mothers think they can have 2045_revolution’s “beta bucks,” well, NUH-UH!
Just as there is not an infinite supply of male 9s and 10s willing to enter committed, monogamous relationships with female 5s, 6s and 7s, there is not an infinite suppply of gainfully employed male 6s and 7s willing to clean up these women’s messes as they push 40. I say this as a BB who has had a half dozen single mothers try to use him in the last few years.
A fellow calling himself cheaperautoinsurance puts the blame on “smartphones and social media” for “basically destroy[ing] american women,” presumably because so many dudes who want to have sex with them say nice things about their selfies and sometimes send them lovely photos of their penises.
For blackierobinsun2, though, the roots of our current situation are rather more basic:
Women f**ked up America when they wanted jobs
Most of these btches going to college only work for a couple of years to end up getting pregnant and not wanting to work again, stupid whore just wasted a college degree and stole a job opportunity from a man feeding his family
Such a tragedy that blackierobinsun2 is taking himself out of the marriage market. What a lovely husband and father he could be!
Let me say it again: If you’re going your own way, fellas, just freaking GO. Lead your own life however the hell you want, as long as you’re not hurting anyone else in the process. Just stop cluttering up the internet with your ridiculous rants.
Snort.
Mick Dash
Please explain how it’s dogmatic or faith-based.
MGTOW has achieved a self-unawareness singularity with this line.
Hmm, eight pages of comments since yesterday?
My guess is that a few MGTOW trolls showed up?
@snork maiden
It’s an unholy number of pages devoted to just one MGTOW. He thinks that rights don’t exist. He thinks that feminism is a religion. He waffles on lots of things: Is he a MGTOW? Isn’t he a MGTOW? He says he’s taking a gender studies class and is going to ace it.
I corrected his spelling: syllabus, not sillibus.
Etcetera.
Take a look.
He says he’s gonna ace a quiz in gender studies class tomorrow.
I applaud the intestinal fortitude of all my fellow Mammotheers in this thread. Seriously, this thread was a hoot to read through, thanks to the snark in the responses to MD. It was an…”interesting” read, for sure.
@Kat
Still no luck. This one wasn’t one of the mythical trolls of yore either.
We may have to resort to dark magicks, perhaps even to Rick Astley.
@Kat,
so I see. I only got through a couple of pages before giving up, he’s too boring to laugh at. Does he ever actually say anything beyond these vague references to an imaginary gender studies course, which is most likely just a bunch of guys on Reddit? Strikes me he was just trying to goad people into attacking him.
Regarding the OP, it is astonishing that anyone can be so solipsistic as to imagine that an ideology as misogynistic, misanthropic and sociopathic as PUA could be of benefit to women. (And I do know what all those words mean, honest 🙂 )
Careful there. The Dick Marsh Troll is known to eat your words, then spit them out in a rather unpleasant fashion.
Also, I think the spelling he should employ is silly bus. Probably the lack of sleep talking though.
@Sinkable John
Some days I long for the trolls of yore.
Some days I’m convinced that they’re fictional.
Dark magicks could go horribly awry. We’re dealing with trolls.
@snork maiden
This troll was as dishonest and repetitive as they come. Although he seemed quite young, so maybe he could talk himself into half-believing that “rights don’t exist.”
How i long for the trolls of old. The ones who could actually argue their points. Can we have them back? Can we have new ones?
People have done an excellent job (trying to) explain the concept of rights to our new friend; but can I just give a shout out especially to Ktoryx. I wish I’d known you when I was doing my law degree homework.
If I miss 1 more goddamn troll!!!!
@Oogly
Ooh, we gotta regular Robert Frost over here! Always dig the poems 🙂
@Chio
Sure do ?
Sorry, involuntary reflex. Be good to yourself
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@Dick in a Vice
I got nothin…
@Sinkable John – You’re either on the silly bus or off the silly bus.
That is NOT what religion is. That’s not even what feminism is. What you call “dogma” is a set of internally consistent principles. Amd how is feminism “organized”, in the sense that a church is? How are leaders appointed? What is the canon and which council decided it? Where are the dedicated temples and structures? When are worship hours and holy holidays and feast days?
Feminism is far more accurate at describing the world than MGTOW/RedPill, which is mainly a bunch of guys circlejerking over imaginary grievances. There are ample studies and historical records documenting systematic unequal treatment and unequal representation of women. But women as wallet-sucking parasites is based on…what, exactly? That’s a value judgment, not a fact. A fact is “I took my date to dinner and spent $50”. An unsupported assertion is “My date is a conniving parasite and I’m entitled to sex.”
MGTOW/RedPill is a flimsy house of cards that falls apart as soon as you poke it with logic. It doesn’t accurately speak for anyone but a few selfish white men. One of the tenets of RedPill is that its members don’t speak about it outside the club. Ironically, for such an awakened Truth Bomb philosophy, it’s far more sheltered, fragile, and cultish than feminism.
Femafia ? Balalaïka !
An unrelated, yet relevant and highly amusing anecdote:
I was walking behind a couple of kids on the way to the library yesterday. One of them offered the other a marshmallow. The second kid refused. The first responded, “Well you can’t have one.”
This kind of logic seemed familiar somehow, but at the time I couldn’t quite figure out how so. Mystery solved, I guess.
Oh look, while I was in bed, Mash Dick finally looked up the description of Gender Studies in a University’s online course catalog. That must have been hard to do while on a sillibus. Buses can be bumpy. The bus I’m on is really silly. It was 8 minutes late. Again! Outrageously silly!
@Jack
Loved that reference drop. <3
@Mick
No, you neither love nor respect us or you would not treat us as you did today. This right here is the kind of shit my abusive ex would do–treat me horribly, when called on it act like my calling him on it was the true abuse, then tell me he loved and respected me. Don’t be like that.
Isn’t every day feminist feast day? How else are we supposed to oppress boners by getting fat?
I love it when trolls do the “thanks for proving how meeeaaan feminists are” flounce. Like we haven’t heard that before. Wasn’t he just accusing us of being the femafia? Classic projection when he’s the one pulling the protection racket. Here’s a hint, Dick Au Gratin, if one unpleasant interaction that you brought upon yourself by trolling is enough to turn you into a misogynist, we don’t want or need you as an ally.
Kat
Not everyone. I chucked out most of my shelf-loads of feminist books when we moved 5 years ago. And I can’t seem to come up with a search term to remind me of the names or book titles. But certainly there was more than one. My reading might have been a bit more skewed to philosophers than most – spent a lot of the first year living with the mr proofreading his thesis. Schopenhauer, Nietsche, Marx, Hegel, Feuerbach, Freud, Goethe and neverending tedious pages of 19th and early 20th century Germans mostly. (At least I was safe from Sartre.)
It was a bit sad, really. Reading a book and seeing another clearly intelligent woman turning logic and self-esteem inside out trying to reconcile Freud’s “insights” with feminist principles. There were about three of them who seemed to have feminist cred but they simply couldn’t give up their original commitment to Freud. It was still the era of middle class wealthy Americans having regular, frequent psychotherapy and it really showed with women who had backed up this with their studies.
Feminism: The radical notion that women are people!
Um, that’s not news whether we’re talking about literal whales or a dehumanizing term for fat ladies. Whales have quite a fulfilling sex life and so do a lot of fat women. Does it pain you? *Burns voice* Excellent *rubs hands together villainously*
@WWTH: “Isn’t every day feminist feast day? How else are we supposed to oppress boners by getting fat?”
Actually we do starve ourselves sometimes so that our bodies go into starvation mode, the better to store the feast calories, my dear
I missed the interesting troll thread, it seems.
Bonbons for everyone!
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On a separate note, I have to object to the statement that the best a man can hope for is to be a strong and healthy host. Anyone who says that is sadly lacking in hubris. I hope, for example, to be the immortal ruler of all humanity. I doubt that this hope will be achieved, but it’s important to dream big.
I think my brain just hemorrhaged from the irony of a man expecting women to meet outlandish standards complaining about women expecting men to meet outlandish standards.
Thus Spake ZaraKat:
I think we had a sighting of the rare and elusive High-School Anarchist (Madmaxis wankus). This timid ratite is known for being quiet and stealthy when encountered in the wild, but when exposed to digital media it develops a loud and repetitive call. The origins of the species are unknown, but are suspected to be related to getting too many wedgies in gym class and fantasizing about “someday ANARCHY and I’ll be totally like Lord Humungus and it’ll be totally rad and nobody can tell me what to do and all the cool girls will want to date me.” Likewise, the lifecycle of the species is unknown, as few High-School Anarchists survive long past the age of 17 or 18; most undergo metamorphosis and emerge as techno-libertarians (Smugnis heinleinius).