Ah, the good old days, when me were men and women were c**ts!
You know, just regular c**ts, not the pampered, stuck-up, fat c**ts of today.
Such is the argument of an unusually spirited, if sometimes incoherent, mini-manifesto winning plaudits from the regulars in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit today.
In a post titled “Women/society made us think we were losers,” a proud MGTOW warrior calling himself shogunronin looks back with nostalgia on what he sees as the golden age of the nineties.
As a man who was gifted with growing up in the nineties, I experienced a time when women were c**ts but not as egotistical, a time where political correctness only was conjured in parliamentary buildings.
Ah, the nineties, “a time where SJWs were too busy listening to Korn or Marliyn Manson” to cause much trouble and when “fat women [weren’t] trying so hard to raise their sexual market value above men.” (Or at least above the sort of men who post angry manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.)
How far we have fallen! In the nightmare world of today, some of these fatties actually have the gall to think of themselves as valuable human beings who deserve respect from others.
Now, we live in the times of self-made female celebrities, single mother culture, the media who language shames anyone who speaks the truth, down to the gagging of conservative thinkers on popular social media platforms, fat shaming and it’s reactionaries,
Er, in case you had trouble diagramming that last sentence, I think that bit at the end means he’s mad anyone complains about fat-shaming.
He continues, making up words as he goes:
And lastly, the detasteful rise of Feminism and their eternal hatred for anything with a dick. As a result of the army of manginas, white knights, beta-facebook pleasers, man-begging on dating platforms, women now are in control of the dating market and are free to act how they wish.
Imagine, women — some of them fatties! — actually having the gall to reject good and decent, if maybe just a teensy bit misogynistic, men like shogunronin!
They are free to treat a man like crap because 50 others are queing up on her social media account. Some women are even calling themselves celebrities as 5,000 manginas cheerlead her on Twitter in the hopes of one day bagging those golden vagina lips that could never do anything wrong.
You may wonder what exactly shogunronin thinks vagina lips are doing wrong. Robbing banks? Writing bad checks? Going to see Lady Ghostbusters?
Shogunronin does not specify. He is apparently more angry at the owners of these “golden vagina lips” for refusing him and other perfectly decent woman-hating men access to said lips.
I believe MGTOW is a reaction to the woman uprising. Men who are sick and tired of female priviledge in both society and the court room. If you noticed, MGTOW on the internet had risen just about the same time that online dating went mainstream. It is a F**K YOU to all women who think they’re above men. We are going our own way, bye hunny.
But shogunronin isn’t just angry at women and the manginas who love them too much. He’s also mad at pickup artists for suggesting that the value of men is determined in large part by the hotness of the hot babes they date (or date rape).
Yes, that’s right. There’s actually a portion of his manifesto that sort of has a point.
As a man in my early twenties, I was indoctrinated into the PUA cult. I was led to believe that if i couldn’t attract a woman than I was a failure with women which equaled a failure at life. It was only after reaching my later twenties that I began to realise how dangerous this mindset can be.
Alas, after this brief moment of clarity, shogunronin is once against swallowed up by the ideological fog of MGTOWism.
Women were the only ones who benefitted from the PUA movement.
Because nothing benefits women more than having an army of aggressively creepy dudes using every psychological trick in the book to overcome “last-minute resistance” and get them into bed. (Or just plain date raping them if that don’t work)
It turned awesome men into tools. It provided women with a stream of unappreciated attention. It was full of men who went out building their entire confidence around women. I know this because we would discuss how shitty we felt when being rejected multiple times in one day and successful when we got laid. Women were constantly pressuring men to impress them, and now with the rise of social media dating, women have a eternal pool of meatheads and manginas who are thirsty.
Sorry, MGTOW dudes. Your self-esteem problems are not the fault of women who don’t want to have sex with you.
We now live in a culture that demonises men and rewards women for their shitty behaviour.
Apparently he’s very angry that women are “rewarded” for saying no to sex with men they don’t like by, er, not actually having to have sex with men they don’t like?
THE HORROR.
A fat whale now has access to the more attractive men while the average joe has to ‘brand’ himself both metaphorically and physically just to meet the outlandish standards of modern women.
How dare these “fat whales” only sleep with men they’re attracted to and who want to have sex with them!
The truth is none of us were losers because of these women,
TRUE. Your loserdom has nothing to do with these women.
the truth is women priced themselves out of the dating market.
NOT TRUE. They just said “no” to you when you came at them with your PUA bag of tricks.
Upon being MGTOW, I have been financially better off, I have been happier, I have more time to follow my passions in life other than chasing some egotistical self-made celebrity c**t.
Apparently one of these passions is posting bitter, woman-hating manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.
Life is good for me now.
I don’t … actually believe you. This manifesto is pretty obviously not the work of a man enjoying the good life.
Not surprisingly, the regulars in the MGTOW subreddit disagree with me on this point, applauding shogunronin’s mini-manifesto and responding with mini-manifestos of their own.
2045_revolution laments how exploitative the current sexual marketplace is. Exploitative of men, that is. Sure, he admits,
Men may use women as wet holes attached to a uterus, but women use men as wallets and sources of high quality genetic material. It gets demoralizing. As a man, the best you can hope for is to be a strong and healthy host for a female parasite to latch onto. When you think of guys in their expensive clothes, expensive cars, etc just advertising how filled with resources they are to parasites, it loses its appeal.
Meanwhile, 2045_revolution complains, some women he thinks aren’t so hot are trying to date men he thinks are hotter!
Internet dating and the rise of PUA culture have created a generation of crap women who think they are amazing catches. It used to be that a woman who as a 6 knew she was a 6. Now the 4s and 5s think they are 8s because of all the validation they get from thirsty men.
How dare women have the gall to try to date men they find attractive!
People can ridicule MGTOW all they want, but the exodus is really just starting. I think there will be sociological consequences. In ten years there will be tons of angry MGTOW men and bitter, used up women who got kicked off the CC. A society full of angry, bitter women (many of whom will be single mothers) who chased a hypergamous fantasy and ended up feeling used and empty handed, and lots of angry, bitter MGTOW men who felt ignored and devalued is what we are looking at. Nobody will win.
And if single mothers think they can have 2045_revolution’s “beta bucks,” well, NUH-UH!
Just as there is not an infinite supply of male 9s and 10s willing to enter committed, monogamous relationships with female 5s, 6s and 7s, there is not an infinite suppply of gainfully employed male 6s and 7s willing to clean up these women’s messes as they push 40. I say this as a BB who has had a half dozen single mothers try to use him in the last few years.
A fellow calling himself cheaperautoinsurance puts the blame on “smartphones and social media” for “basically destroy[ing] american women,” presumably because so many dudes who want to have sex with them say nice things about their selfies and sometimes send them lovely photos of their penises.
For blackierobinsun2, though, the roots of our current situation are rather more basic:
Women f**ked up America when they wanted jobs
Most of these btches going to college only work for a couple of years to end up getting pregnant and not wanting to work again, stupid whore just wasted a college degree and stole a job opportunity from a man feeding his family
Such a tragedy that blackierobinsun2 is taking himself out of the marriage market. What a lovely husband and father he could be!
Let me say it again: If you’re going your own way, fellas, just freaking GO. Lead your own life however the hell you want, as long as you’re not hurting anyone else in the process. Just stop cluttering up the internet with your ridiculous rants.
@mildlymagnificent
Whoa! Here in the USA, to the best of my knowledge, we all (all of us feminists) threw Freud right out the window (at least when it came to penis envy and such).
Our Bodies, Ourselves? What a kickass resource. I bought it for 50 cents when it was printed on newsprint. Now it’s a publishing phenomenon!
“you pretty much forfeit respect.”
“Maybe you should do some critical thinking and research before you start blindly believing in a philosophy, you dumbass.”
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“Yeah, that’s why I’m a feminist…”
“which is trying to help people who aren’t what gender society deemed them at birth, such as male or female, be recognized and be treated with respect.”
“Which is a huge part of feminism, basic human respect.”
Yes, clearly you are all about tolerance for diversity and treating others with respect. You really walk the walk.
Says feminism a religion, says the slutwalk is a ritual, criticizes “hypergamy” (which is another word for “slut”), then says he’s on gender studies and went to the slutwalk. Yep, yep, yep, makes sense, we definitely buying that. We are very stupid, dontcha know.
“A ritual “is a sequence of activities involving gestures, words, and objects, performed in a sequestered place, and performed according to set sequence.”
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” “hypergamy” (which is another word for “slut”), ”
… no…
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Says feminism a religion
Yes, it’s an organized dogmatic faith-based belief system in other words is what I mean
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Yes I went to slutwalk – I am very concerned about the sexual violence in society and also very serious about my gender studies
Very convincing, thank you.
thank you as well
Look, this ain’t fun anymore. We know you’re not in gender studies. The fact that you fail to adress these doubts with anything other than MGTOW misconceptions and stock information only reinforces them. Gimme some legit proof you’re in gender studies and I’ll reconsider.
Legit proof includes : actually understanding what the hell gender studies means. Which you have miserably failed at so far.
You’re hogging the thread and wasting our time.
Hey, I’m respecting your philophy of rights not existing by calling you dumbass, dumbass. And I haven’t used a gendered pronoun to describe you because I actually still respect you enough not to call you he, she or whatever because I don’t know your pronouns, which is actually a part of my own philophy of not being an ass to possible trans people and not thinking just men comes to this site to harass us because it’s a feminist site (although some people consider “dude” and “guy” gendered so if you do, I apologize and will stop addressing you as such), so I’m actually walking the walk pretty well.
I’m sorry you obviously don’t believe in your own philophy enough for people to actually respect your decisions over them, not that you should care because respect is a right, which you don’t believe in. Maybe you just like to waffle, or you really don’t believe any of the shit you’re spewing? Either way, come on, stick to your guns if you think you’re right, fool. Why aren’t you walking your walk?
And, also, saying you should critically think and research things before believing them isn’t disrespect, it’s solid advice. I could have said it nicer but, hell, I don’t have to be nice to you because one) it’s not a right to be treated nicely and two) I don’t believe I have to be nice to people if I think they’re fuckheads. Again, why do you care? You don’t believe you have the right for people to treat you nicely, not that it is a right anyway because being treated nicely doesn’t equate basic human respect, so, I mean, what the fuck are you complaining about?
From the sillibus:
“In this class we will explore discuss and study gender and sex roles, sexuality, gender socialization and the inequalities that exist in the US and globally as a consequence of values and beliefs about gender.”
” I don’t believe I have to be nice to people if I think they’re fuckheads”
But I thought treating others with respect was the central tenet to your philosophy?
Again, stock information.
C’mon, show me some real understanding. I’m all ears.
But I know you won’t. As befits someone who seriously believes there’s such a thing as “gynocracy”.
what do you want to know specifically
Nothing specific. Certainly not something that you’ll google your way out of like the rest.
Look, I’m not even asking at all, to be honest. You’ve shown us ample proof that you are not in gender studies, and just gaslighting the hell out of this whole thread. I believe it’s enough now.
Yeah, I did notice that. Funny how two online communities started coalescing at exactly the time that online communities were made possible by that whole Internet thingy.
Oh by the way :
That’s the thing. We don’t owe you respect in particular. Especially not at the seventh page.
If you really were in gender studies, you’d understand this. You’d know the difference between systemized oppression and calling someone in particular a fuckwad. Guess which one I’m doing right now ? You guessed it, it’s the second one !
ok well you believe whatever makes you feel better I guess – I never said i believed in MGTOW theories – I said I think they can and should be be tested – personally I regard them skeptically – when I said I was mgtow what I mean in that I do not have any interest in getting married basically – not to argue for hypergamy theory, but on the flip side – do you have evidence to disprove it
“We Hunted the Mammoth – the new Misogyny, tracked and MOCKED.”
You’re here to be mocked. If you are going to be butthurt or throw the “you’re not a good feminist because you don’t have patience and reverence of a Buddhist monk in face of manospherians” card, go somewhere else. This is not a debate platform. It’s a mockery platform. And you are here willingly, and only because you were being entertaining. The moment we stop laughing, you’re out, and we are very clear about that. If you don’t like being the subject of mockery, leave.
Round and round and round we go… Someone is riding the “argument” carousel.
ok thanks for teaching me about how you guys are all about treating others with respect and regarding them as equals to mock as a lesser class of human – it has has been an enlightening look at the logical underpinnings of your philosophy of tolerance for diversity respect and equality thanks for sharing your wisdom with me, I know it must be for you – thanks for tolerance and empathy for one of your lesser equals.
We’ve given you ample evidence, over and over. You’ve ignored it.
We’ve named our doubts about your being in gender studies. You dodged them.
Soon as you lose on any point, you circle back to another like we’d have forgotten about it. Your rhetoric is that of a 4 yr old raised on the worst subreddits and RoK.
And you’ve used up all your entertainment value.
ETA : We never said you’re a “lesser equal” – we’re saying you’re a moron. We’re not “oppressing” your male ass, otherwise I’d be in the same situation as you are, because as you may or may not have noticed, I’m a man too. We’re treating you with exactly the respect you as an individual deserve : the respect we reserve to lying, gaslighting idiots.
@Mick Dash
The word is spelled syllabus.
Also, don’t expect others to treat you with respect when you disrespect their entire group.
The people here have treated you with much more seriousness and respect than you deserve.
You’re not going your own way. You’re going our way, stepping on our heels and demanding that we respond to your half-formed thoughts.
You think rights don’t exist? Luckily for you, our judicial system disagrees. And you exercise your rights all the time. Freedom of speech. Freedom of assembly. Freedom of religion. Etcetera. Our rights are not always respected. That doesn’t mean they don’t exist — it means that they are imperfectly enforced.
k goodnight i have class in about 9 hours later I have to go to bed – if I’ve offended anyone please forgive me – I love and respect all of you, I appreciate you taking the time to correct my assumptions.
Cool, I’m never getting married either, not because of the whole alimony thing but I just don’t believe in it. Never having kids either, fuck that noise.
Thank god feminism is breaking down the whole 2.5 nuclear family bullshit so no one is socially obligated to get married and have kids, but still respecting of the people who do still would like to get married and/or kids because it’s their choice and doesn’t make them less of a feminist for it. Those MGTOW peeps should be really kissing feminism’s ass for that.
@Mick
Aham. K. Welcome. This will be 500$, plus tips. My time is valuable, and iI have bonbons and cat food to buy.
Guys, remember the bf I was telling you about? Not a mgtow, but this last comment right here? And the other one I ressponded with a rolling eyes gig? That’s exactly the shit he says sometimes. Just so you know the size of the bs I am dealing with.
Riiiight… The university class with a quiz that you’re gonna ace 🙂
@John
I bet his gender studies class lives in Canada.
You mean the crossbow-wielding gender studies class ? No wonder his rhetoric is… full of holes. Har har har.
Yeeeeup, there’s my coat.