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MGTOW manifesto blasts “woman uprising” that turned regular “c**ts” into fat “c**ts”

Every MGTOW's most cherished fantasy
Every MGTOW’s most cherished fantasy

Ah, the good old days, when me were men and women were c**ts!

You know, just regular c**ts, not the pampered, stuck-up, fat c**ts of today.

Such is the argument of an unusually spirited, if sometimes incoherent, mini-manifesto winning plaudits from the regulars in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit today.

In a post titled “Women/society made us think we were losers,” a proud MGTOW warrior calling himself shogunronin looks back with nostalgia on what he sees as the golden age of the nineties.

As a man who was gifted with growing up in the nineties, I experienced a time when women were c**ts but not as egotistical, a time where political correctness only was conjured in parliamentary buildings.

Ah, the nineties, “a time where SJWs were too busy listening to Korn or Marliyn Manson” to cause much trouble and when “fat women [weren’t] trying so hard to raise their sexual market value above men.” (Or at least above the sort of men who post angry manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.)

How far we have fallen! In the nightmare world of today, some of these fatties actually have the gall to think of themselves as valuable human beings who deserve respect from others.

Now, we live in the times of self-made female celebrities, single mother culture, the media who language shames anyone who speaks the truth, down to the gagging of conservative thinkers on popular social media platforms, fat shaming and it’s reactionaries,

Er, in case you had trouble diagramming that last sentence, I think that bit at the end means he’s mad anyone complains about fat-shaming.

He continues, making up words as he goes:

And lastly, the detasteful rise of Feminism and their eternal hatred for anything with a dick. As a result of the army of manginas, white knights, beta-facebook pleasers, man-begging on dating platforms, women now are in control of the dating market and are free to act how they wish.

Imagine, women — some of them fatties! — actually having the gall to reject good and decent, if maybe just a teensy bit misogynistic, men like shogunronin!

They are free to treat a man like crap because 50 others are queing up on her social media account. Some women are even calling themselves celebrities as 5,000 manginas cheerlead her on Twitter in the hopes of one day bagging those golden vagina lips that could never do anything wrong.

You may wonder what exactly shogunronin thinks vagina lips are doing wrong. Robbing banks? Writing bad checks? Going to see Lady Ghostbusters?

Shogunronin does not specify. He is apparently more angry at the owners of these “golden vagina lips” for refusing him and other perfectly decent woman-hating men access to said lips.

I believe MGTOW is a reaction to the woman uprising. Men who are sick and tired of female priviledge in both society and the court room. If you noticed, MGTOW on the internet had risen just about the same time that online dating went mainstream. It is a F**K YOU to all women who think they’re above men. We are going our own way, bye hunny.

But shogunronin isn’t just angry at women and the manginas who love them too much. He’s also mad at pickup artists for suggesting that the value of men is determined in large part by the hotness of the hot babes they date (or date rape).

Yes, that’s right. There’s actually a portion of his manifesto that sort of has a point.

As a man in my early twenties, I was indoctrinated into the PUA cult. I was led to believe that if i couldn’t attract a woman than I was a failure with women which equaled a failure at life. It was only after reaching my later twenties that I began to realise how dangerous this mindset can be.

Alas, after this brief moment of clarity, shogunronin is once against swallowed up by the ideological fog of MGTOWism.

Women were the only ones who benefitted from the PUA movement.

Because nothing benefits women more than having an army of aggressively creepy dudes using every psychological trick in the book to overcome “last-minute resistance” and get them into bed. (Or just plain date raping them if that don’t work)

It turned awesome men into tools. It provided women with a stream of unappreciated attention. It was full of men who went out building their entire confidence around women. I know this because we would discuss how shitty we felt when being rejected multiple times in one day and successful when we got laid. Women were constantly pressuring men to impress them, and now with the rise of social media dating, women have a eternal pool of meatheads and manginas who are thirsty.

Sorry, MGTOW dudes. Your self-esteem problems are not the fault of women who don’t want to have sex with you.

We now live in a culture that demonises men and rewards women for their shitty behaviour.

Apparently he’s very angry that women are “rewarded” for saying no to sex with men they don’t like by, er, not actually having to have sex with men they don’t like?

THE HORROR.

A fat whale now has access to the more attractive men while the average joe has to ‘brand’ himself both metaphorically and physically just to meet the outlandish standards of modern women.

How dare these “fat whales” only sleep with men they’re attracted to and who want to have sex with them!

The truth is none of us were losers because of these women,

TRUE. Your loserdom has nothing to do with these women.

the truth is women priced themselves out of the dating market.

NOT TRUE. They just said “no” to you when you came at them with your PUA bag of tricks.

Upon being MGTOW, I have been financially better off, I have been happier, I have more time to follow my passions in life other than chasing some egotistical self-made celebrity c**t.

Apparently one of these passions is posting bitter, woman-hating manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.

Life is good for me now.

I don’t … actually believe you. This manifesto is pretty obviously not the work of a man enjoying the good life.

Not surprisingly, the regulars in the MGTOW subreddit disagree with me on this point, applauding shogunronin’s mini-manifesto and responding with mini-manifestos of their own.

2045_revolution laments how exploitative the current sexual marketplace is. Exploitative of men, that is. Sure, he admits,

Men may use women as wet holes attached to a uterus, but women use men as wallets and sources of high quality genetic material. It gets demoralizing. As a man, the best you can hope for is to be a strong and healthy host for a female parasite to latch onto. When you think of guys in their expensive clothes, expensive cars, etc just advertising how filled with resources they are to parasites, it loses its appeal.

Meanwhile, 2045_revolution complains, some women he thinks aren’t so hot are trying to date men he thinks are hotter!

Internet dating and the rise of PUA culture have created a generation of crap women who think they are amazing catches. It used to be that a woman who as a 6 knew she was a 6. Now the 4s and 5s think they are 8s because of all the validation they get from thirsty men.

How dare women have the gall to try to date men they find attractive!

People can ridicule MGTOW all they want, but the exodus is really just starting. I think there will be sociological consequences. In ten years there will be tons of angry MGTOW men and bitter, used up women who got kicked off the CC. A society full of angry, bitter women (many of whom will be single mothers) who chased a hypergamous fantasy and ended up feeling used and empty handed, and lots of angry, bitter MGTOW men who felt ignored and devalued is what we are looking at. Nobody will win.

And if single mothers think they can have 2045_revolution’s “beta bucks,” well, NUH-UH!

Just as there is not an infinite supply of male 9s and 10s willing to enter committed, monogamous relationships with female 5s, 6s and 7s, there is not an infinite suppply of gainfully employed male 6s and 7s willing to clean up these women’s messes as they push 40. I say this as a BB who has had a half dozen single mothers try to use him in the last few years.

A fellow calling himself cheaperautoinsurance puts the blame on “smartphones and social media” for “basically destroy[ing] american women,” presumably because so many dudes who want to have sex with them say nice things about their selfies and sometimes send them lovely photos of their penises.

For blackierobinsun2, though, the roots of our current situation are rather more basic:

Women f**ked up America when they wanted jobs

Most of these btches going to college only work for a couple of years to end up getting pregnant and not wanting to work again, stupid whore just wasted a college degree and stole a job opportunity from a man feeding his family

Such a tragedy that blackierobinsun2 is taking himself out of the marriage market. What a lovely husband and father he could be!

Let me say it again: If you’re going your own way, fellas, just freaking GO. Lead your own life however the hell you want, as long as you’re not hurting anyone else in the process. Just stop cluttering up the internet with your ridiculous rants.

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Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
8 years ago

ohmigosh, i stepped on a green gramatic once. I had to go get shots so I didn’t get pretentetinus. Hurt like heck.

Well, if the feeling of pain were a real thing of course. It’s a qualia, so, you know. Not really real-real, right? Only pretend real.

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
8 years ago

I didn’t argue you don’t have rights, I asked you for evidence to support your claim, I also never argued that red pill theories are right, I just suggested we should test them, you made the positive claim that they are “bullshit”, I asked for evidence for your claim, I haven’t actually made any claims, why would I bare any burden of proof

Ktoryx
Ktoryx
8 years ago

It’s relevant to the discussion on whether feminism is a religious faith-based or an empirical evidence-based belief system – if it’s not a religion then why am I supposed to take these supernatural (no existence in the natural physical universe) powers as real on faith ?

You’re not. You’re supposed to look at the society around you, read a law textbook, and understand that if our society is to have any kind of logical consistency, we need to base them on certain concepts.

Do you also think libertarianism, conservatism, communism, etc. are all religions? Because they’re based on the same idea: humans have rights. Not because there is empirical reason to believe humans have rights, but because if humans don’t have rights then we have no underpinning for a society and we might as well all be eating each other in some wilderness. We entertain that notion so that we can build a justice system – so, is the justice system also a religion?

If believing in human rights makes you a religion, well I’m sorry, then almost every political school of thought since the beginning of time is a religion. They may define human rights differently, they may disagree upon the best way to go about protecting them, but at the end of the day they all accept them in order to have a place to move forward from.

I don’t actually care if you think the concept of morality is the result of evolutionary adaptation, almighty God, or simply the social contract; you will find feminists who believe all kinds of different things on that question too. All you need to do to be a feminist is to understand that our society leaves women at a disadvantage in many ways, and want to correct that. And for those issues, we DO have empirical facts. Many, many empirical facts. Which I would love to provide for you if you only asked a cogent question to get me started…

Podkayne Lives
Podkayne Lives
8 years ago

Or at least the next thread.

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

Feminists make assertions which they expect us to take on faith and then get mad and have a religious meltdown like Jack if you simply ask for proof – it is truly a religion – they do not see any burden of proof for their “theories” – you cannot properly even refer to them as hypothesis – more like “mythology” would be a better term

Okay, I miss the editing window, but one) I’m an atheist, and two) philosophies aren’t religions.

By your own assertions, you’re just as much as a religious fanatic because MGTOW is a movement with its own systems and beliefs, just like you claim feminism is, so I don’t know why you’re trying to take the high road when you’re just as entrenched in rights and faiths as anyone who’s a feminist by your own logic. It’s like a Christian mocking someone Jewish because they worship a god, you dumbass.

(((Chiomara)))
(((Chiomara)))
8 years ago

I never said I believe in hypergamy, I merely suggested that we can test it – if the data disproves the theory then cool – I am not emotionally invested in the theory as some article of faith I must accept – if the data shows the theory to be wrong fine – it’s not a religious thing for me

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/krysten-ritter-eyeroll-seriouly.gif

I’m soooooooooooooooooooooo emotionally invested. Almost having a heart attack.

http://www.susancohangardens.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/trophy.jpg

Here’s your “totes not emotionally invested atheist 100% rational logics 300 points IQ stem dude of the year” trophy.

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
8 years ago

Yeah, well that’s one definition of feminism, In the Bell Hooks type of definition I would say I am even sort of a feminist myself, but the most common definition of feminism, it references “rights” which I think is just a superstition, there’s no evidence for these magical “rights”

“you’re just as much as a religious fanatic because MGTOW is a movement with its own systems and beliefs, just like you claim feminism is, so I don’t know why you’re trying to take the high road when you’re just as entrenched in rights and faiths as anyone who’s a feminist by your own logic”

ok, mgtow is perhaps a religion, maybe there is no hypergamous behavior, maybe it is a myth. Do you think it is something that can be tested, though? What if there was data showing a pattern of behavior of women using men in relationships? Would you be willing to look at it or just hand wave it off because it doesn’t fit your world view

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
8 years ago

I didn’t argue you don’t have rights

Uh, saying “i don’t believe rights exists” is saying “i don’t believe you have rights.”

I also never argued that red pill theories are right, I just suggested we should test them

You’re a MGTOW. By definition, you think the concepts of the group you belong to are correct, or you would not claim membership in the group.

you made the positive claim that they are “bullshit”,

Saying “X is not true” is a positive claim when X has not been tested. You in your own text have admitted that X has not been tested. In this very quote, actually.

I haven’t actually made any claims, why would I bare any burden of proof

Because you’ve claimed to be a MGTOW. You bear (not bare) the burden of proof for the untested, unproven hypotheses that the MGTOW present as their philosophy.

Lea
Lea
8 years ago

“I mean, I’d hardly know where to start demanding women’s fictional rights, if people hadn’t decided that men had them first.”
^This

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
8 years ago

@Mick Dash
You literally
Said you don’t believe in rights
and yet here you are

Trying to peddle off
Your nonsense theories on us
Like we’re supposed to solve it.

Or solipsism,
by definition your points
had no point at all.

There are pages here
Of your own writing right there.
All moot from no rights.

From MGTOW to Hobbes
Contradictory view points
Pasted carelessly.

Lea
Lea
8 years ago

No. Bell Hooks would not consider you a feminist.

Nice job Googling “books about feminism” and dropping the first name you saw

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
8 years ago

Men Going Around In Circles (MGAIC).

How would ya pronounce that anyway ? I can’t write american phonetics, dammit.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
8 years ago

@Lea
Oh look, he’s learning. Ain’t this a surprise he can use the search bar now. The next step should be reading for him. Fun with Phonics.
@Sinkable
Mg-Ay-ic? Em-Guy-k?

Ktoryx
Ktoryx
8 years ago

Yeah, well that’s one definition of feminism, In the Bell Hooks type of definition I would say I am even sort of a feminist myself, but the most common definition of feminism, it references “rights” which I think is just a superstition, there’s no evidence for these magical “rights”

Where exactly, are you getting these other definitions of Feminism, if not from actual feminists (or, far more likely, from your anus)? Feminism is a political movement focused on the advancement of women’s rights. It doesn’t actually matter that Mr. Special-snowflake, three-weeks-of-community college kiddo doesn’t believe in rights, because our society believes in rights and feminists are working within our society.

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
8 years ago

“You’re a MGTOW. By definition, you think the concepts of the group you belong to are correct, or you would not claim membership in the group.”

yeah, but I’m open to being proven wrong, it’s more philosophy than religion – I don’t really have to be right – maybe this hypergamy stuff is just a myth – but it seems like it can be tested to me, so I think it at least warrants investigation

“Uh, saying “i don’t believe rights exists” is saying “i don’t believe you have rights.””

I don’t believe it, I’m not trying to disprove it because it’s not a falsifiable belief – I don’t think it can be proven or disproven.

(((Chiomara)))
(((Chiomara)))
8 years ago

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that makes it a full circle.

Not entetaining anymore, bye bye. I’ll grab your pink fuzzy free speech right and smash it to non existence.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
8 years ago

Must be nice living in a perfectly axiom-free world. I’m sure Mick doesn’t try this bullshit on his math teachers. “What is this magical -1 dogma you’re asking me to accept on faith? SHOW ME.”

Since you apparently can’t distinguish among feminism and superstition and religion, Mick, here are some questions for you:

1. Who or what are feminism’s gods?
2. What are feminism’s prescribed rituals?
3. Where are feminism’s sacred spaces?
4. What are the penalties for transgression?
5. What supernatural beings are incorporated into feminist mythology?
6. What are feminism’s tenets of the afterlife?

kupo
kupo
8 years ago

Damn it, I called him Mickey D and now McDonald’s is all over my ads. :p

Lea
Lea
8 years ago

Bwahahahahaaaa!
Mick, you are priceless.

Handsome "Punkle Stan" Jack

Yeah, well that’s one definition of feminism, In the Bell Hooks type of definition I would say I am even sort of a feminist myself, but the most common definition of feminism, it references “rights” which I think is just a superstition, there’s no evidence for these magical “rights”

What is one definition of feminism? What are they even saying now? And rights are a superstition?

You know, you have the right to call the cops if someone punches you in the face and file assault charges, right? That’s a right, right there I’m sure you’d use and probably have for obvious reasons. You have the right to be on this website, which you’re using right now, and can still use until David blocks you because it’s his right to block people he doesn’t want to use his property. You have the right to be a dumbass, which, in my opinion, you’ve been abusing the shit out of.

You’re executing several rights while sitting in front of the computer typing this, or using your phone or tablet or whatever, I just wish the company that provides your internet or data uses their right to change their service contract at any time to make it so you can’t use the internet through them without getting your fingers cut off first.

Honestly by this point, I’m hoping this fuckhead is just a decent AI some troll made to fuck with us at this point because I’ve had more substantial conversations with the Skype robot than this dude.

Starfury
Starfury
8 years ago

This was fun to watch but now it’s bedtime. I wonder if one day I’ll ever see a MGTOW that can hold their own or even argue in good faith. I suppose it gets very frustrating when all the evidence is stacked against them and they have no choice but to argue in circles, never making any real progress because they’re just chasing a concept they want to believe

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
8 years ago

Lol. So you’re being all “rargh feminism is a religion you should science things logic reason rational study!”

and then you’re all “Gee, there ain’t any evidence to support this MGTOW stuff, but I’m gonna believe it till someone proves me wrong!”

gosh, how reasonable!

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Look up and read how feminism reduces alimony payment from men to women by making women more employable and reducing the wage gap. Then come back and tell us what that means for your perceptions of feminism.

Mick Dash
Mick Dash
8 years ago

1. Who or what are feminism’s gods?
The divine feminine
2. What are feminism’s prescribed rituals?
slutwalk
3. Where are feminism’s sacred spaces?
safe spaces
4. What are the penalties for transgression?
see a milo or warren farrel speaking event – or threats of “banning” without an actual rule being broken – merely for challenging the dogma
5. What supernatural beings are incorporated into feminist mythology?
“rights”
6. What are feminism’s tenets of the afterlife?
a future where there is a culling of male population and a promised land of a “level playing field”

Scildfreja Unnýðnes

When I say I’m mgtow I mean I literally have no intention to marry and no immediate plans to date it’s more the lifestyle of not feeling like you have to go by gynocentric standards

I keep repeating this – I like a lot of things about feminism, I think it has made a lot of cool things happen – i respect feminists autonomy to believe what they believe

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
8 years ago

@Mick Dash
Being Proven Wrong:
The last six pages don’t count now?
Give me a break son.

Again your non-term,
That you want others to check.
What can’t be bothered?

Absolutely
Lazy and pushes off work;
I am not surprised.

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