
Ah, the good old days, when me were men and women were c**ts!
You know, just regular c**ts, not the pampered, stuck-up, fat c**ts of today.
Such is the argument of an unusually spirited, if sometimes incoherent, mini-manifesto winning plaudits from the regulars in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit today.
In a post titled “Women/society made us think we were losers,” a proud MGTOW warrior calling himself shogunronin looks back with nostalgia on what he sees as the golden age of the nineties.
As a man who was gifted with growing up in the nineties, I experienced a time when women were c**ts but not as egotistical, a time where political correctness only was conjured in parliamentary buildings.
Ah, the nineties, “a time where SJWs were too busy listening to Korn or Marliyn Manson” to cause much trouble and when “fat women [weren’t] trying so hard to raise their sexual market value above men.” (Or at least above the sort of men who post angry manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.)
How far we have fallen! In the nightmare world of today, some of these fatties actually have the gall to think of themselves as valuable human beings who deserve respect from others.
Now, we live in the times of self-made female celebrities, single mother culture, the media who language shames anyone who speaks the truth, down to the gagging of conservative thinkers on popular social media platforms, fat shaming and it’s reactionaries,
Er, in case you had trouble diagramming that last sentence, I think that bit at the end means he’s mad anyone complains about fat-shaming.
He continues, making up words as he goes:
And lastly, the detasteful rise of Feminism and their eternal hatred for anything with a dick. As a result of the army of manginas, white knights, beta-facebook pleasers, man-begging on dating platforms, women now are in control of the dating market and are free to act how they wish.
Imagine, women — some of them fatties! — actually having the gall to reject good and decent, if maybe just a teensy bit misogynistic, men like shogunronin!
They are free to treat a man like crap because 50 others are queing up on her social media account. Some women are even calling themselves celebrities as 5,000 manginas cheerlead her on Twitter in the hopes of one day bagging those golden vagina lips that could never do anything wrong.
You may wonder what exactly shogunronin thinks vagina lips are doing wrong. Robbing banks? Writing bad checks? Going to see Lady Ghostbusters?
Shogunronin does not specify. He is apparently more angry at the owners of these “golden vagina lips” for refusing him and other perfectly decent woman-hating men access to said lips.
I believe MGTOW is a reaction to the woman uprising. Men who are sick and tired of female priviledge in both society and the court room. If you noticed, MGTOW on the internet had risen just about the same time that online dating went mainstream. It is a F**K YOU to all women who think they’re above men. We are going our own way, bye hunny.
But shogunronin isn’t just angry at women and the manginas who love them too much. He’s also mad at pickup artists for suggesting that the value of men is determined in large part by the hotness of the hot babes they date (or date rape).
Yes, that’s right. There’s actually a portion of his manifesto that sort of has a point.
As a man in my early twenties, I was indoctrinated into the PUA cult. I was led to believe that if i couldn’t attract a woman than I was a failure with women which equaled a failure at life. It was only after reaching my later twenties that I began to realise how dangerous this mindset can be.
Alas, after this brief moment of clarity, shogunronin is once against swallowed up by the ideological fog of MGTOWism.
Women were the only ones who benefitted from the PUA movement.
Because nothing benefits women more than having an army of aggressively creepy dudes using every psychological trick in the book to overcome “last-minute resistance” and get them into bed. (Or just plain date raping them if that don’t work)
It turned awesome men into tools. It provided women with a stream of unappreciated attention. It was full of men who went out building their entire confidence around women. I know this because we would discuss how shitty we felt when being rejected multiple times in one day and successful when we got laid. Women were constantly pressuring men to impress them, and now with the rise of social media dating, women have a eternal pool of meatheads and manginas who are thirsty.
Sorry, MGTOW dudes. Your self-esteem problems are not the fault of women who don’t want to have sex with you.
We now live in a culture that demonises men and rewards women for their shitty behaviour.
Apparently he’s very angry that women are “rewarded” for saying no to sex with men they don’t like by, er, not actually having to have sex with men they don’t like?
THE HORROR.
A fat whale now has access to the more attractive men while the average joe has to ‘brand’ himself both metaphorically and physically just to meet the outlandish standards of modern women.
How dare these “fat whales” only sleep with men they’re attracted to and who want to have sex with them!
The truth is none of us were losers because of these women,
TRUE. Your loserdom has nothing to do with these women.
the truth is women priced themselves out of the dating market.
NOT TRUE. They just said “no” to you when you came at them with your PUA bag of tricks.
Upon being MGTOW, I have been financially better off, I have been happier, I have more time to follow my passions in life other than chasing some egotistical self-made celebrity c**t.
Apparently one of these passions is posting bitter, woman-hating manifestos on the MGTOW subreddit.
Life is good for me now.
I don’t … actually believe you. This manifesto is pretty obviously not the work of a man enjoying the good life.
Not surprisingly, the regulars in the MGTOW subreddit disagree with me on this point, applauding shogunronin’s mini-manifesto and responding with mini-manifestos of their own.
2045_revolution laments how exploitative the current sexual marketplace is. Exploitative of men, that is. Sure, he admits,
Men may use women as wet holes attached to a uterus, but women use men as wallets and sources of high quality genetic material. It gets demoralizing. As a man, the best you can hope for is to be a strong and healthy host for a female parasite to latch onto. When you think of guys in their expensive clothes, expensive cars, etc just advertising how filled with resources they are to parasites, it loses its appeal.
Meanwhile, 2045_revolution complains, some women he thinks aren’t so hot are trying to date men he thinks are hotter!
Internet dating and the rise of PUA culture have created a generation of crap women who think they are amazing catches. It used to be that a woman who as a 6 knew she was a 6. Now the 4s and 5s think they are 8s because of all the validation they get from thirsty men.
How dare women have the gall to try to date men they find attractive!
People can ridicule MGTOW all they want, but the exodus is really just starting. I think there will be sociological consequences. In ten years there will be tons of angry MGTOW men and bitter, used up women who got kicked off the CC. A society full of angry, bitter women (many of whom will be single mothers) who chased a hypergamous fantasy and ended up feeling used and empty handed, and lots of angry, bitter MGTOW men who felt ignored and devalued is what we are looking at. Nobody will win.
And if single mothers think they can have 2045_revolution’s “beta bucks,” well, NUH-UH!
Just as there is not an infinite supply of male 9s and 10s willing to enter committed, monogamous relationships with female 5s, 6s and 7s, there is not an infinite suppply of gainfully employed male 6s and 7s willing to clean up these women’s messes as they push 40. I say this as a BB who has had a half dozen single mothers try to use him in the last few years.
A fellow calling himself cheaperautoinsurance puts the blame on “smartphones and social media” for “basically destroy[ing] american women,” presumably because so many dudes who want to have sex with them say nice things about their selfies and sometimes send them lovely photos of their penises.
For blackierobinsun2, though, the roots of our current situation are rather more basic:
Women f**ked up America when they wanted jobs
Most of these btches going to college only work for a couple of years to end up getting pregnant and not wanting to work again, stupid whore just wasted a college degree and stole a job opportunity from a man feeding his family
Such a tragedy that blackierobinsun2 is taking himself out of the marriage market. What a lovely husband and father he could be!
Let me say it again: If you’re going your own way, fellas, just freaking GO. Lead your own life however the hell you want, as long as you’re not hurting anyone else in the process. Just stop cluttering up the internet with your ridiculous rants.
Mgtow is only going to get bigger and bigger. The internet will become saturated. Mgtow’s here to stay.
I will never cease to be amazed by how some MGTOWs are certain that they are the catch of the day, when they come off as chum.
Marilyn Manson, I think.
Nice post.
I’m pretty sure I would have mocked you in the 90s too. Shockingly, many of us weren’t any more fond of misogyny in the grunge days than we are now!
Quite a failure of manly STEMlogicks here. Say it with me now, correlation does not equal causation! Internet dating and the manosphere took off at the same time because that was the time people started socializing online more.
And don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Hey, hey, HEY. Not true. Trans women rock 😉
Hohohoooo, yes, who doesn’t love guys being trained to destroy our self esteem and dominate us physically and psychologically?
Daaaaang, is that so? Thank you for clarifying. I’m doing it all wrong by dating one of the least financially successful peopel I ever met!
Ahhh, maybe that’s where I’m doing it wrong. If guys who have gfs have expensive clothes and cars, and my partner doesn’t, maybe he’s not a guy at all?
What a SAD life you have where people – sorry, not people, women – worth depends on how much they fit an arbitrary beauty pattern. I wonder WHY they never wanted to date you. Can’t be cause you’re a misogynistic asshole, no, it’s definitely cause you don’t have a Ferrari.
Uuuuuuuhhh… DO clarify: If they DON’T want to work, how are they stealing job opportunities? And how do you steal a job opportunity, anyway (unless you personally know someone who got you inside as a favor or are threatening the employer with a gun)?
OT: serial douchebag arrest alert:
http://www.dailydot.com/via/gamergate-ethan-ralph-arrested/
Yes, yes, YES!!! The most woman-hating men out of the dating scene the better. But please, just fucking GO already! Bye bye! We’ll miss you ENDLESSLY and NEVER RECOVER from the loss, but first you have to GO and not EVER give us attention AT ALL, ok? Thank you.
I’m crying already. Who will pay for my countless abortions now? Who will I divorce rape?
Now leave. Before I grab you back with my golden vagina lips. Go. GOOOOOOOO!!!
MGTOW = not a travel destination
…OR, working women could ALSO be feeding their families. Because nowadays, it takes two incomes to keep up with the rising cost of housing, healthcare, education, and food.
But wait! If women work for a couple of years post-college and then drop out, isn’t that job now once again available to men? Or is it just one endless conga line of female college graduates waltzing through the C-suites and hogging all the good jobs?
Also fallacious: the idea that a college degree is only good for productive work outside the home. Certain degrees would be very useful for stay at home moms, especially if they homeschool (accounting, nursing). And college is never “wasted” if it teaches you to think critically and appreciate history, art, literature and other human endeavors.
Mmm…rich, creamy resource filling…
And here I thought the point was to GO your own way. Now you’re staying? Make up your mind!
Oh! Oh MY, you don’t say?! DAMN, thanks for explaining, my feeble lady brains were confused all this time!
Still waiting.
… is this guy referring to himself as “high quality genetic material” ?
@Mick Dash
No but seriously, go your own way already. This comment section isn’t “your own way”. We’re waiting. Seriously, it’s getting old.
??? bee-boo bee-boo bee-boo???
??? bwooOOOP — bwooOOOP — bwooOOOP???
??? WONK! WONK! WONK! WONK!???
Ma’am, I’m gonna have to ask you to step out of the car. Your golden vagina lips were identified as a suspect in a string of convenience store robberies.
Er, yes, you can go home once we’ve gotten some questions answered. Your golden vagina lips have to come down to the precinct though.
What a Silly Sam you are! No one said it was!
What we were referring to was the acronym MGTOW itself.
You say you’re out to go your own way as a Man Going Their Own Way (from icky feeeemales), and yet, you go out of your way to talk to a group of feminists, a majority of whom can be assumed to be female.
I thought the point of going your own way was to, you know, go your own way and do your own thing and live a life away from us evil feeeeemales.
So, what do you get out of coming here and trying (and failing) to intimidate us with your unfounded predictions of all men having your sour grapes world view?
Because before the PUA movement, men were never creepy and rapey and disregarding of consent amirite?
Oh wait. No. Actually, this weekend my mom was telling me two different stories. When she was a freshman in college in 1969 or 70 she got way too drunk to consent and narrowly avoided being raped by a couple of college bros because she puked in their car while they were buying yet more liquor. They were grossed out and dumped her back at her dorm. Back in 40’s my great aunt was 16 years old and passed out from drinking at a party. While she was unconscious, a boy raped her and she got pregnant. He was from a prominent wealthy family and they didn’t want him to marry her so they payed my great grandparents off to send her away to have the baby and give her up for adoption.
Don’t tell me Roosh’s bang book tactics are new. The only difference is, these assholes boast about their misogyny and rapiness online now.
So, maybe the PUA did benefit women. We are more likely to know what the PUA red flags are and how to avoid these trouser stains.
Also, there is no such thing as vagina lips. The downstairs lips are part of the labia, not the vagina. Apparently this guy is going his own way from basic anatomy knowledge too.
Just letting you know – there’s another perspective – I don’t know what the backlash is so angry about – why does it scare you to think men have this perspective and that it is becoming so popular – I hope it becomes a topic that gets its due merit in academia – which is only barely starting to happen
@Dick Mash
Yeah we kinda know you’re right here. Seeing as, y’know, we ridicule your bullshit every other day. And it’s kind of the whole problem. So what, you moved your asses out of the “sexual marketplace” to spite the women who want to fuck you so bad that they’re currently losing their mind over the unbearable pain that you’re saying “nope” ?
Dude, watch this thread more closely. No one’s sad to see ya go. We’re just waiting for it to actually happen.
@Mick Dash, thank you for editing your last comment to “Just letting you know”. What you had before was pretty much unintelligible with metaphor. What you have now is much better.
Well, along one axis anyways.
I’ll be nice and clarify it for you. We’re making fun of your ‘going your own way’ metaphor. We know that you can’t exactly move to Snake Island literally. But the idea of “going your own way” involves leaving behind the things that have bothered you to strike off on a new adventure, and that’s exactly what you’re not doing. You’re being Mr Grumblepants’es. You aren’t “going” anywhere, metaphorically, you’re saying exactly where you are.
Go! Improve your life! I mean that sincerely and with all of the best wishes for you! Learn a new language, meditate, learn to paint! Become better, improve yourself! And leave the anger and hate behind you! It will only wound you and those you love.
EDIT: He edited again! First edit was some sort of weird metaphor about clouds going to Mars, second was the line above. Third is a bit more plaintive. Also, filled with dashes. There are other punctuation marks, friend!
Oh, look. A new troll! MGTOW trolls are always my absolute favorite! They just make the best chew toys.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/d1d91db5b6373140b45b3616b45077ae/tumblr_n68gj1RCaO1sig16bo1_250.gif
You see, snookums, MGTOW have been promising that they’ll take over the world any day now for such a very long time. This blog is six years old now and way back in 2010 you fine gents were foretelling doom. In your universe, the men of the world are always just about to wake up. Artificial wombs and girlfriend replacing sexbot technology is just around the corner. It’s always any minute, day, week, year that all the men will GO THEIR OWN WAY AND ALL OF US BITCHES WILL BE SORRY WE DIDN’T GIVE YOU MILLIONS OF BLOWJOBS!!!
Yet, here you all still are.
You’re just like all the religious fundies who obsess about the end of days. We’ve been living in the end of days for thousands of years now.
Go where ?? – “their own way” – it doesn’t actually refer to a geographic location; it’s used in more of a figurative sense in this context
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
How do I do that
@Mick Dash
Just letting you know
You keep saying you’ll go
However you show
Nonstop complaints dude bro
Who’s complaining
On a feminism-related tangent: Revolution 60 (which you may remember from this WeHuntedTheMammoth post) is now available on Steam… and naturally the gators are spamming it with hostile reviews. (Steam’s refund policy makes this easy, since you can buy the game, post a bogus negative review, and then return it 90 seconds later.)
Revolution 60 is a pretty great game, so I recommend checking it out if you’ve got $10 to spare. Casual players and non-gamers are welcome — highly-tuned reflexes are not necessary. If you like it, you should write a review. Hell, write a review even if you DON’T like it — just please make it more informative than “waaah FEMINISM waaah SJWs waaah waaah”.
@Mick Dash
We’re aware, sir! You don’t need to explain the metaphor. We understand it. We’re just turning it on its head for comedy purposes. Perhaps you would like to go to scenic Snake Island?
You’re misunderstanding our use of the figurative. We want you to figuratively go away. I.e. stop obsessing about women and do your own thing already. Build motorbikes! Start a business! Read Shakespeare! Just stop whining on the internet about women, ’cause a) you’re very wrong, and b) it’s very tiring.