It’s no big secret that many doomsday preppers yearn for the apocalypse — if for no other reason than the opportunities it will provide them to say “I told you so” to all those who doubted their paranoid fantasies. And to possibly shoot some of these unprepared scoffers when they come begging for food.
Nowhere is this more obvious than amongst those apocalypse-fantasizers who’ve convinced themselves that it will be feminism, rather than volcanic eruptions or nuclear war or Donald Trump, that will bring about the end of the world.
On the Men Going Their Own way subreddit, the regulars are talking apocalypse, as modern misogynists are wont to do. And it is as revealing as these exercises always are.
A fellow called BagOfBrokenBits dreams of a not-very-distant future in which uppity ladies “will do whatever they are told.”
The future as I see it, is that as society collapses around us (5-15 years?) most women outside of a tightly controlled patriarchal group simply will not survive, because nobody will put up with their sh*t long enough to feed them. When resources are scarce they will not be able to defend what they have and most lack the health, strength and abilities to obtain or build what they need. There will be no feminism, there will be patriarchy. Men will work together as they always have, in challenging and horrific conditions. Women will do whatever they are told because conditions will be too harsh to tolerate dissent.
And Mr. Bag will be one of those doing the telling, because of all the toiletries he is hoarding:
I am a Prepper. I currently have stores of food, toiletries etc for five years with tools, seeds etc to extend that.
He’s apparently filling his doomsday bunker with as many canned goods as he can get his hands on:
It has been noted that in past shortages due to wars an afternoon with a woman can be had for a tin of … anything really.
You know what I mean, you know what I mean? Nudge nudge say no more!
The pros and cons of the apocalypse:
Cons:
- Death of most of the human race
- Contamination of water sources with dead bodies
- No medical care beyond basic first aid
- Return to stone age civilization
Pros:
- Women will have sex with you for a can of beans
AOF_Semiramis suggests moving to New Zealand. And he has some interesting thoughts about Pokemon GO.
Go complete ghost in New Zealand or the likes.Heck even in the US with private as fuck properties.Grow your own food,have stable ways to get water and raise animals a la farm.Fish too if your near a lake.Assuming your far away enough,lake is isolated enough,your too far from idiot humans and any large concentration of them,then nukes won’t land on your spot too since it would be a waste of resources.(Its why the CIA funded Pokemon GO. So the brainless droves would fill the map for them.Obviusly there are still holes.)
Surviving the apocalypse is so easy that even a kid could do it!
Also..a 15 year old discovered an ancient city due to studying the stars in Central America.So you can bet that there are other places in the world where you can live safely.
Make sure to pack popcorn, for all the gloating you’ll be doing.
I know its f*cked up,but nothing you can do to stop it. You can only save yourself at most.So just chill,get some popcorn,and just accept the f*cking up.
timoppenheimer, meanwhile, doesn’t seem to be doing any prepping beyond living as selfishly as he can:
WWIII is coming, and I am horrified too, OP.
My plan is to enjoy my life. They already took my foreskin; fuck society, I’m living my life for me.
Talkytalktalk is evidently a fan of Alex Jones:
This is the great culling of the human population. The eugenics population reduction freaks are going to kill billions and out the rest under the yoke of totalitarianism. It takes a woman to pick the runts and dispose of them.
But which woman? WHICH WOMAN!?
I need to know now so I can mangina my way into her good graces before the culling.
Well, he’s mostly fond of Jews! Ain’t that charitable?
We can get rid of him whenever y’all are done…
ETA from below:
Bruh
@joekster
In this part of the world, she’s the only obviously existent* monarch I can presently hope for and claim to be limited by. Don’t judge me.
@WWTH and the other person who made the familiar ad hominem
I really don’t see myself as rising up in the ranks in some kind of aristocracy or monarchy or whatever. The “you just support this because you think you’ll be the king/gentry/John Galt/whatever” argument is nothing short of an ad hominem, and says nothing about the viability of the person’s arguments. Likely, I won’t be much better off than I am now (working class).
Let me ponder your other questions for a while.
*some people believe in God/Allah/whatever and view him as a kind of monarch, but I’m not really a believer.
I am touched by the mentions I have gotten, everyone! Thank you <3 Maybe he will reply to me, unlike the others generally have.
As for wilderness survival, for everyone who thinks they would be useless – you would not be useless! Frankly, when it comes to the tasks needed for survival, most of them are pretty basic. Someone who knows about plants can show you a couple of rosehips and say, "Here's a basket, fill it up with these," then leave you to get on with it, then come back after to show you how to strip out the seeds (which is vitally important, incidentally. Not because they're poisonous, but because the seeds have little burrs. The Cree word for rosehip is "itchy-bum-berry").
There's a billion tasks that don't need a great depth of knowledge, but does need a pair of eyes and a pair of hands, or just one of each in a pinch! Having people that do nothing but wander around picking up sticks and deadfall is super, super useful. So don't feel bad if you don't have a lot of skills in that area – you can still have a place in the mammoth-camp!
(Edit: I think it’s the Cree word. Might be some other native language from around here. I am embarrassed by how little i know of it :c )
I tend to be generally non-confrontational and therefore can’t say I want to get into the argument here (Scildfreja got it covered way better than I could, anyway) but just kinda had to pause at the sentence:
As a (secular) Jew, living in Israel, where we have many different political opinions and factions in various positions of mainstream popularity or political power, I really do wonder what the hell are “our” politics.
[ETA:] Also, I find this “fondness” kinda suspect/icky in itself. Better than outright hate I guess, but still not the best phrasing to hear. It’s kinda like “I actually love women!”, that way.
:O
Jewish people all have the same politics?
I’m confused. You say that consumerism and globalism are bad, yet the west (presumably you mean the Anglosphere and Western Europe here?) is superior? Consumerism and globalism are very much western things. According to your own ideals, aren’t Kalahari bushmen or the people in isolated inland Chinese villages superior to westerners?
I asked you where you saw yourself in a monarchy. Where was the ad hominem? I don’t think you know what an ad hominem is.
I can’t really engage with your pro-monarchy arguments until you tell me which particular time and place you see as ideal because as I said, the past is not monolithic. Did you not think these things through yet? It does sound like you’re idealizing a non-existent past. As reactionaries are wont to do. But I’m giving you every opportunity to prove me wrong. Go for it!
Mammotheers, I HAVE SPOTTED A CRITICAL FLAW.
There are no mammoth anymore. We’ve already hinted them all.
Also, I’m vegetarian, so I wouldn’t eat the mammoth after hunting it.
To make up for that, I’ll find you some chanterelles.
@Axecalibur
It was only in jest, you racketous hellhound.
We can get rid of him whenever y’all are done…
Are you the voice of authority around here? If so, were you elected via some sort of democratic mechanism, or did you perchance leverage some sort of merit in order to claim authority?
I was going to leave a longer comment but now I need to get across town ASAP. I just wanted to leave this link here: The Homebrewers Garden. I have been looking at it for a bit, and decided that it would be a cool book to have in my library. And if you can do any preparation of the ground beforehand, now is about the last time to do that!
(I also bought the beginners kit for D&D 5e, because I really want to try DMing something and I like the idea of having a slightly narrowed set of choices to start off with. I’m also hoping to play with my parents, because I think they’d enjoy it, but now I have to worry about converting all the battles down to something 2 players can manage, or give them a few NPC friends. Eeeep!)
@Sedentary Reactionary: I notice you haven’t clarified anything on which traditions are under attack.
Also, I’m pretty sure that ‘working class’ isn’t actually a thing in an agricultural society. Unless you’re down with working on a farm?
let’s see if I can blockquote… (The answer was no. :C)
“racketous hellhound”
Pfffft hahahahahaa!
@wwth
I already told you, I am currently pondering your questions, as I have yet to consider them fully. Don’t expect answers any time soon. It may even be months before I get back to you.
Axecalibur is our monarch here. They pulled the axe from the stone, you know, so now they’re the Queen of All WHTM. As tradition dictates.
(More seriously, don’t be silly. Axe is a friend, and is expressing the fact that they don’t like you, and would rather you not be around. This is plainly obvious. Framing it as an authoritarian decree instead of an everyday expression of distaste is disingenuous.)
@Rhuu: I think Racketous Hellhound is Regicidal Beasts of Burden‘s second album.
Also, huzzah for D&Ding with your parents! I’m not a gamer myself, but it sounds so cool, that you can do that. Good luck with the campaign!
‘Our societies…find themselves increasingly dominated by runaway technological and economic factors which wrest power away from the hands of local communities and place it into the hands a faceless, global community. Almost none of the things that we purchase or produce have any heart or soul in them, as they were purchased not from a local individual with whom we might have some kind of relationship, but from global companies who hire workers that we’ll never meet or know anything about (and the people who shall produce these objects know nothing about the people for whom they produce these objects).’
I could have written this; so could Karl Marx. I tell people the ‘high concept’ of my PhD work is ‘how to save capitalism’–the kind of capitalism Adam Smith wrote about, peer to peer network capitalism, rather than the kind you and Marx (and I) find problematic and which people now seem to consider both normal and inevitable.
Looks like Sedentary Reactionary isn’t a very good long term thinker. He knows an apocalypse and a monarchy would be good, but not how that might work.
I guess he’s no better than we lowly shallow women!
Oh c’mon, WWTH, he’s pondering (not “thinking”, even, “pondering”)! Let the man ponder, will ya? Just give him a couple of months and he’ll have figured out everything.
@Penny
“Fond” as in, I don’t outright hate them or suspect them entirely of any sort of foul play. I just hate how so many of them here are always such staunch leftists, but I wouldn’t promote gassing them, demoting them to lower levels of society or anything. I can’t align with the DE because of the prevalence of antisemitic conspiracy theories and Holocaust denial. Big Banks and Globalism are bad in my opinion, but I don’t believe that a Jewish plot is significant to their design.
Oh shit, I just realized: in the apocalypse, where will I find the butter and white wine for my chanterelle sauce?
Can we just maybe postpone the apocalypse for a few months while I think about that problem?
Oh jeez, thanks. I’m so glad you don’t wanna gas me and almost everyone I know. (/sarcasm)
And if you think Jews are somehow naturally leftist, you have some reading to do about Israeli politics (I’ll tl;dr it for you: mostly under a right-wing government since 1977 or so, in recent years with a worrying [in my opinion] trend toward more radical and clerical right). US Jews are not all Jews, and even they are hardly monolithic.
Bibi Netanyahu would be amused to hear that Jews tend to be left-wing. He has won a few elections after all, and is staunchly right-wing.
Similarly, in the US, AIPAC is not known for its leftist tendencies.
Lawks!
Survival skills. Growing, storing, drying, pickling, smoking and otherwise preserving food. Bread making and starting sour dough as well as general cooking. Knitting, darning, sewing (badly) and generally making and mending clothing and fabrics. Basket-weaving and pot making? I know how but I’ve never done more than dabble.
I’ve also put in a lot of time learning about permaculture design and all those other things that make life easier if you’re relying on your immediate surroundings. Rather than make soap, I reckon it’s better to learn which plants are useful for washing. I can also put together a compost system, a worm farm, a chook/other poultry keeping arrangement to improve soil and control pests. I reckon I could even design and build a simple dovecote/pigeon house for maximum ease of collecting rich manure for growing veggies.
As for women’s roles and strengths in such environments, have a look at women in Kenya , China , India working to make their farming environment better.
I still am chuckling over the fact that our reactionary friend used to spend 30 hours a week trolling and one assumes spouting his political views, but is still stumped by basic questions about his worldview because he hasn’t pondered these things yet.
Are we the first ones to have asked?
To be fair, I think he’s talking more about American Jewish people. But if Paul Wolfowitz has become a leftist, or if Trump’s son in law has, I’ve missed it.
@Penny: If SR is the kind of traditionalist I think he is, he likes Jews because they’re needed to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem and immanentize the eschaton. After that, they can go to Hell (and most will, if you believe Revelations).
As for post-apocalyptic skills: well, I have some modest skills with tools, though working with electricity and electronics will become somewhat less useful over time. My big problem is that I have terrible eyesight if I lose my glasses, as well as a couple of medical issues that will become trouble when medication inevitably runs out. In particular, the way my untreated depression manifests will probably make someone want to stave my head in with a large rock assuming I haven’t managed to off myself first…
SR, since you’ve expressed approval of the “sacred” (though apparently “not really a believer” yourself), do you feel that your anticipation of the “dissolution of western civilization” has been informed by religious eschatology at all? If so, which particular religious tradition has influenced you most in this area?
Speaking of the sacred, you wrote:
(Emphasis added).
This struck me as an odd conception of sharing. I like a good single malt whisky, and I’m happy to share it, but I would never dream of forcing people to drink it. Could you clarify what you believe should happen to people in your hoped-for society who do not share your belief in the sacred?
@Scildfreja
I have 2 hands and eyes. Yay, I’m useful!
General, habitual ‘they’? Better safe than sorry ‘they’? No problem, just asking
And besides, everyone knows, you’re a shoe in for Sovereign of the Wastes in our mammotheer commune. 3 month terms to start, extended as we get more settled 😀
@WWTH
I’m pretty sure the accepted terms are Khoikhoi or San individually, or Khoi-San when referring to both groups. Just thought I’d point that out
@Nequam
Luckily there’s be multiple someones. That way, when I feel the need to attack you, someone else can come in. We’ll trade! You’re cool, so I’m sure we’ll make it work
@Seditionary Rabble
No authority. Whatsoever. I do have some esteem, if that’s what you mean. I got my sway by being funny, knowledgeable, compassionate, (generally) agreeable, and by keeping my more problematic thoughts and words to myself. Oh, and I attack stupid ideas and unacceptable behavior with a patented bluntness and ferocity. Some people admire that in me for some unexplained reason *shrug*
None of it for the purpose of leveraging anything. I behave the way i do here, cos it’s the right thing to do, and it makes me feel good when the swell people here like me. If I do leverage my esteem for anything, it’s so i don’t feel so bad when I do some ‘me’ stuff. Complain, vent, ask for advice, etc. My power isn’t one of leveraging authority. I share the power of camaraderie with my internet buddies. Way nicer 🙂