In the midst of a rambling blog post arguing that a large terrorist attack on American soil before November “puts Trump in the White House for certain,” former Twitter activist Andrea Hardie makes a rather startling pronouncement: She would support nuking Mecca if she thought it would be an “effective” way to strike a blow against Islam.
No, really:
I don’t think Trump will nuke Mecca or anywhere else, for the simple reason that it won’t be effective. Nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved millions of lives and ended the war decisively, because it brought Japan to its knees. Nuking Mecca won’t bring the Islamic world to its knees – quite the opposite. Trump isn’t going to do it for that reason. If nuking Mecca stood a chance of being effective, I’d be fully in support of the measure.
Emphasis mine.
In addition to being the birthplace of Muhammad and the most sacred city for the world’s 1.57 billion Muslims, Mecca is home to roughly two million residents, and the number of people in the city “more than triple[s] every year during the hajj (“pilgrimage”) period,” as Wikipedia notes.
In other words, Ms. Hardie, better known on the Internet under her pseudonyms Janet Bloomfield and JudgyBitch, would support the murder of as many as six million people of a particular religious persuasion if she thought it would be an effective way to rid the world of that religion.
Six million, where have I heard that number before?
Despite being permabanned from Twitter, Hardie is still listed on A Voice for Men as the site’s “Director [of] Social Media,” and she was one of the speakers at last month’s International Conference on Men’s Issues in London, organized by AVFM and Mike Buchanan of the UK’s spectacularly unsuccessful Justice for Men and Boys party.
I’m not quite sure how murdering three million Muslim men and boys — in addition to another three million women and girls — would enhance the rights of men, or boys, or anyone.
@ Virgin Mary
Hope you don’t think we were picking on you; a lot of people do make that argument so if you’re not into spacey stuff it can sound plausible.
To get back onto the subject of Russian achievement (and tie in the space/nuclear weapons topics) you might find it interesting that it was that Russian adaptability and practicality that gave them the initial advantage in the space race.
Russian technology was somewhat ‘robust’, partly to compensate for lack of some technologies but also that whole simplicity and over-engineering thing (cf their tank designs). As a result their nuclear weapons were much bigger and heavier than the US/UK equivalents.
That meant they needed bigger ballistic missiles to launch. So when the space race came along and there was a need for heavy lifters they were just able to adopt their existing missiles and had a head start.
Since Russian/Soviet history has come up — here’s a suggestion for David for a post on a related topic: the fallacies and weirdness of the ways in which people like RooshV, etc. fetishize Slavic feminity and Slavic/East European women themselves. They act like Russia and other Slavic countries are full of these perfect submissive dolls ready to be their dream girls, in contrast to fat, unkempt American feminists. While it’s true that at least some Russian women enact the het-cis version of gender very well and find attractive strong, intelligent men who are traditionally het-cis in their gender identity and presentation that doesn’t prevent strength, intelligence, independence and assertiveness from being a part of these same Russian women’s feminity. Some of ’em make clear that they love strong masculine men but Rooshv-style PUA and/or goofy neomasculinity doesn’t appeal at all. There’s a video out there somewhere of RooshV on a Ukrainian talk show with some Ukrainian young women guests reacting negatively to his creepy approaches, I think.
@ Pavlov’s House
One of the many things I love about the Apollo-Soyuz mission was that the Russians labeled their drinking tubes as “Vodka”.
They actually contained soup but it was a good piss take.
David Harland wrote a book called How NASA Learned to Fly in Space, specifically about the Gemini program, and it was the coolest book I’ve ever not been able to understand one word in ten of.
It was specifically about the missions that went down in between the sub-orbital Mercury stuff and the actual Apollo stuff, where they’d launch a couple of guys up there and they’d actually stay up for an increasing number of orbits, figuring out how to pilot the vehicle around, how to spacewalk, what awful health complications might or might not manifest.
It was really neat, but Harland is some sort of engineer-historian, and I don’t have any of the degrees I would need to read the book properly.
[ETA: “went down” in the sense of “happened”]
@ ramen (and anyone else who loves space stuff)
This is my go to gal when I need anything spacey dumbing down to my level. She’s brilliant. Makes complex topics really understandable.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw95T_TgbGHhTml4xZ9yIqg
And yeah, the Gemini programme is amazing and, again, oft neglected.
I am sure that “nuking Mecca” would be as effective at suppressing Islamic violence as the attack on Pearl Harbor was at suppressing American violence.
@AlanRobertshaw : absolutely agreed on the fake vodka tunes. Leonov and Stafford talk about that in the interviews on several NASA and other shows for the 30th anniversary last year.
Wait. Is she hoping for a large terrorist attack, or expecting one – as in – expecting Trumplings to try and stage one for his benefit? (Which would not surprise me at this point.)
Regardless, she certainly seems to have no actual concern for the death or suffering of others.
@HawkerHurricane: She basically makes the same claim as you. “Nuking Mecca won’t bring the Islamic world to its knees – quite the opposite.” Hence all her comments about she doesn’t think it would be “effective.”
The part to criticize her on is that the only objection she has to killing millions of civilian non-combatants is that it wouldn’t be “effective.”
“Parallax” means that with two or more telescopes, you can gauge the distance of a light source. Or, with two or more radio towers, you can gauge the distance of a radio source, such as an Apollo spacecraft communicating with NASA.
So when you suggest that the moon landing was faked, what you’re actually suggesting is that every single government agency, observatory, and even amateur astronomer with a radio array, including the Soviet Union’s space agency, fudged their recordings of the transmissions from the Apollo 11 mission. Because faking the moon landing would mean that Lance Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin were transmitting radio signals from somewhere other than the surface of the moon.
Buzz Aldrin is one thing, but if Lance Armstong appeared to be transmitting radio signals from the moon then something very strange was going on… 😉
@john
BloJo does know that capo is in the wrong place doesn’t he?
Thanks for posting the space stuff. I’m no expert, but I am interested. I’ve seen threads go on and on on conspiracy sites which say that the moon landings were impossible because of the radiation from tne Van Allen belts. Has anybody got an explaination of how the astronauts survived in those antiquated space suits which did not protect them from this radiation?
@banned@4chan
I don’t believe Lance Armstrong ever went to the moon, but maybe he claimed he did, just like he claimed to not be using performance enhancing drugs.
Also, maybe they did land un unmanned module on the moon. I’m just questioning if humans could survive the radiation.
@EJ (The Other One):
Those Combat-18 types must be the rarest of breeds: fringe-fringe cupcakes who believe their neonazi brethren from the NF/BNP/EDL have sold out by becoming supporters of Israel. There are some web documents attesting to the bitterness felt by the residual hardcore C-18 and assorted groupuscules, because the ‘more respectable’ [COUGH!] end of the British Far Right have traded in their (thankfully!) now no longer fashionable antisemitism for support for Israel (and often Islamophobia).
It’s very similar across the Far Right board in Europe: all the erstwhile antisemitic Far Right nutzies have switched from virulent antisemitism to unconditional support for the state of Israel, very recently. There’s only one exception: Hungary’s Jobbik which continues to peddle antisemitism, unabated.
Virgin Mary…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/5833633/Apollo-11-Moon-landing-conspiracy-theories-debunked.html
For more detail – http://www.clavius.org/envrad.html
@Virgin Mary:
To believe the moon landing were a hoax is to believe in a conspiracy theory the size and absurdity of 9/11 (‘Twos the Mossad wot did it’) or the ‘holohoax’.
Mountains of evidence have to be disregarded/brushed under the carpet and one has to believe thousands (if not many more) of conspirators have worked tirelessly in tandem, for decades, without any cracks/leaks in the elaborately constructed facade appearing.
It is, in a word, BONKERS.
@ Virgin Mary
This is what James Van Allen himself has to say.
Ironically there is a suggestion now that the Apollo astronauts do have a higher than normal incidence of cancer, but it is a very small sample group.
@Virgin Mary:
One sievert (Sv) of radiation is enough to cause illness. A lethal radiation dose for a fit adult is around 5-8 Sv. If you were to stay in the highest-radiation regions of the Inner Van Allen Belt, you would receive around 2 Sv per month. Apollo 11 spent eight days out of the atmosphere, only a brief portion of which was within those highest-radation regions.
As such, you could say that they survived because they weren’t in the danger zone for long enough.
@Gert:
Thanks for the background!
The group in question were protesting against the dastardly Jewish plot to undermine western civilisation by flooding it with waves of nonwhite immigrants. I have the sneaking suspicion that if they stubbed their toes in the shower then they would attribute it to a Jewish plot too.
As you point out, modern European fascists seem mostly to have traded in their antisemitism for Islamophobia, whilst retaining every other aspect of their traditional behaviour. That’s why seeing that flag was such a weird moment.
@EJ (The Other One):
There’s almost nothing ‘da Jooooz‘ haven’t been held responsible for, no matter how self-contradictory these accusations often are (Jews are ‘weak and diseased’ yet ‘all powerful manipulators of human history’, all in one sentence often).
The appearance of a pro-Palestinian flag in the hands of a Far Righter does not surprise me enormously though. C-18 and their ilk are deeply ignorant and couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery: to see one of them with such a flag to try and rile any Jews present should not be deeply unexpected even though they hate Muslims/Arabs as much as they do Jews (blacks or rather non-whites in general). Do these people even know where Palestine is/was?
From what I read, our friend JudgyBitch, while still pretty much always antifeminist, used to be against racism and other such bigotries. Now she’s spewing THIS shit.
She should be the poster girl for an anti-Red-Pill PSA.
“Talk to your friends about The Red Pill *shows this pic of JudgyBitch* Not even once”
@gert
This is why the old bogeyman of ‘cultural marxism’ really pisses me off. Hitler called this Jewish Bolshevism, and I guess it stems from such early communists’ like Marx, Lenin and Trotsky’s Jewish ancestry. The idea that Joooze have infiltrated the education system and the media to bring about the destruction of western civilisation through feminism, ‘white genocide’ and the ‘gay agenda’ is simply scare tactics against a lumpenprolitariat who are pro traditional ‘values’ and anti intellectual.
The irony is that as the alt right like to join forces with the religious right, this Palistinians flag waving will bring them into conflict with their own fellow fascists, who believe Israel to be ‘a sign into the Gentiles’ and a divinely appointed Kingdom. In fact, there are a number of Religious Right lobbyists seeking to boycott charities which give aid to Palestine, (including Save the Children, UNICEF and Christian Aid) as they are helping the Muslim enemies of God’s Chosen People ™ it’s really messed up and confusing that people who are anti Semites are the most fervent supporters of Israel, but nothing fascist makes any sense, because it’s a culture of fear and hatred.
Now imagine if the exact same thing had been said by someone who wasn’t lily-white and replace Mecca with some US/European city and the alt-right (as well as most mainstream media outlets) would be flipping their shit
They’re Londoners. To them, Palestine is in the far-off land called “beyond the M25.”
@ej
Your comment reminds me of this
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/18/republican-voters-bomb-agrabah-disney-aladdin-donald-trump
I was reading a book by Jon Ronson the other day (So, You’ve Been Publicly Shamed) and a story he tells made me laugh. When he was researching his book Them: Adventures With Extremists, he interviewed some Bilderburg protesters, who told him that it was a Jewish plot. When he pointed out that none of the attendees were actually Jews, one of the protesters said they didn’t have to be actual Jews, just ‘Jewish’!?! ……..the mind boggles.
@ EJ
They’re obviously quite cosmopolitan Londoners then. When I lived there the North Circular might as well have been the fucking Heliopause.