The assault on the world’s beleaguered male majority continues, at least in the tiny minds of the readers of lady-hating internet garbage fire Return of Kings. The latest insult to all that is male and good?
Regular RoK contributor David G. Brown answers that question loudly and clearly in the title of a recent post:
His evidence? Two non-white women he doesn’t think are super hot won state-level contests in the Miss America and Miss World pageants: Magnolia Maymuru, an Aboriginal woman who won the title of Miss Northern Territory, Australia in the Miss World pageant; and Arianna Quan, a Chinese-American woman who won the Miss Michigan title in the Miss America pageant.
As Brown sees it, both of these “winners’ (he puts the words in quotes)
are so unbelievably plain and even ugly that the “beauty” in beauty pageant should have been removed from the contests they each entered.
Actually, for what its worth, the Miss America pageant already has removed the word “beauty,” famously referring to itself as a “scholarship contest,” while Miss World likes to talk about “beauty with a purpose” and the charity programs their contestants support. But most people think of them as beauty contests because, well, that’s basically what they are.
The real point here is that Brown is complaining that these pageants, to some limited degree at least, reflect the diversity of the real world, a complaint that seems especially ironic when applied to the Miss World pageant, given that every single country in the world contains some portion of people who are not white, and that in many countries these “minorities,” as Brown calls them, are actually, you know, the majority. Shocking, I know. While the Miss World pageant started off with all-white winners, it has awarded numerous women of color the crown since the 1960s.
Racists may think of the US and Australia as “white countries,” in which white men should have a lock on political and industrial power and white women should have a similar lock on beauty pageant crowns, but the world is a bit more complicated than that.
Nearly a third of those living in Australia’s Northern Territory are indigenous Australian people. Meanwhile, there are 18 million Asian-Americans living in the US, nearly 6% of the total population. God forbid one of them win a pageant title once in a while.
Now, to be fair, Brown’s complaint isn’t that women of color have been winning beauty contests; it’s that “ugly” women of color have been winning beauty pageant titles. So how exactly does he determine “ugliness?”
On the street, neither of these girls is going to turn heads. Another test, whether women would want to look like them or straight men would want them, would also result in very few takers.
Has he done some sort of scientific poll to test either of these propositions? Nah. He’s just taking his own preferences and projecting them onto the world around him.
Brown insists that he’s not being racist, because, as it turns out, some Chinese people think Quan is ugly, too! An article on Shanghaist (discussed in a Roosh V forum thread I couldn’t bring myself to read) reports that “the reaction from Chinese netizens [to Quan’s crowning] has been overwhelmingly negative with many writing in to criticize her looks.”
Brown is quick to use these Chinese critics as, yes, a shield to protect himself from accusations of bigotry. “In the case of Quan, the biggest criticisms came from her ancestral homeland of China,” he writes.
Chinese netizens need not fear the kind of racism accusations that would be leveled at white Americans questioning whether she deserved the Miss America title for one of America’s most populous states … .
But from the comments Shanghaist quotes it’s clear that the issue isn’t Quan’s deviance from some universal Platonic ideal of beauty; it’s that she looks too “American.”
“She’s ugly AND she isn’t Chinese,” one Chinese commenter wrote of Quan, who was born in Beijing. “This is probably the American standard of beauty,” wrote another. “She looks exactly like Mulan in Disney.”
Yep. Chinese people can be parochial bigots, too.
As for Maymuru, Brown is convinced that political correctness is cowing potential critics into silence.
Media coverage of Maymuru’s crowning was ecstatic, namely because, in the words of many racial quota-leaning commenters, “it was about time” that an Aboriginal Australian won such a title. Few online respondents dared to call her unattractive due to the near certainty of them being labeled as racist bigots.
Brown has no need to worry on this front. The author of such lovely previous posts as 3 Reasons I Will Never Apologize For Being White, Only White Countries Are Expected To Let In Hordes Of Illegal Migrants, Why Isn’t Anyone In The Establishment Talking About Jewish And Asian Privilege? and The New Star Wars Movie Spinoff Reaffirms Disney’s Hatred Of White Males has already made pretty clear how he should be labeled.
I kind of honestly don’t think most MRAs are attracted to anything except rage. From reading on Reddit, a lot of members use the rating of women as a useful barrier.
From the ‘I was an MRA’ threads you’ll see statements like ‘I hated that I wanted it’. When they gain some chill, it seems to fade and then gradually real life just distracts them from all the artificial statistics. They stop having time for the anger and run out of fuel for the victim complex.
You can give them exactly what they want, when they’re deep in the scene, but it doesn’t work as the driver isn’t some instinctive lust but rather just anger.
Completely O/T but I’ve just been watching the Olympic hockey. One poor lass took the ball full speed in the face. Ouch! But what got me was the rather cheerful commentary:
“Spillage team”?! A sport that requires a dedicated crew to mop the blood off the pitch? Wow! These ‘girly’ sports eh?
YES YES YES ALL THE YESSES AND AGREEMENTS AND VIGOROUS NODDING OF THE HEAD.
@Nequam Oooooooohhhhhh, please tell the story!
@VioletBeauregarde
I’m sorry, I only just saw your answer to my question. That’s… enlightening. I wasn’t even aware of that dumb stereotype, for some reason. Guess that’s one more thing I can add to the list of expected remarks that can and will get customers kicked out ! Heh.
@ Sinkable John: That’s ok…we all know that changing your name and posting comments under your new name means waiting for said comments to be moderated.
@CrysT: This was 30 years ago. I wasn’t quite 16.
My mom and I went to the LACMA (Los Angeles County Museum of Art) screening of Great Mouse Detective, featuring Price and some of the key animators for the film (including future Beauty and the Beast animator Glen Keane), and my mom remembered that we had a camera in the truck we drove back then.
After the talk I screwed up my courage to ask Mr. Price if I could have a photo taken with him. He agreed, the photo was taken, and as I turned to thank him he gave me a kiss smack on the lips! (Mom wasn’t quick enough with the camera to grab that. I’m sure my expression was hilarious.)
I like to think sometimes that he told his wife about it and she had some devastatingly witty comment to make.
(The photo got signed some time later, at a special screening of House of Wax.)
The film screening wasn’t really about Mr. Price, though most people had shown up to see him (adult interest in animation was still kind of unusual in 1986). He had no obligation to stay after the talk, and for all I know age and infirmity may have already begun to tax him– but he stayed anyway. For at least an hour, talking to fans, giving autographs, and being kind to silly fangirls.
@(((VioletBeauregarde)))
No I think I should’ve seen it, I just didn’t look enough, my bad. Here’s an example :
@Axe
I only just saw this too x_x
I… don’t think I effectively worked around them. To be fair, I wouldn’t have been able to effectively express what I wanted to express in french either – I’d need a mix of both languages for that, because that’s how my brain worked up the thoughts and ideas and stuff. Language and cognition – that’s another subject that I know next to nothing on, but need to look into some more.
@John
How about adequately worked around? Split the difference, ya know? Anyhow, I learned a lot form your comment. Whether or not it was everything you meant to say, it gave me summat to think about 🙂
As someone who just spent two weeks in Paris and is feeling very awkward about poor second-language skills, your English is excellent.
@Axe
All thanks to some RoK douchecanoe ! Who knew.
@EJ (The Other One)
But french is SO MUCH HARDER to learn than english, no one can ever blame you for having a hard time. I was born into it, I had it easy. Anyone who learned it second is already a freaking language warrior even with “poor second-language skills” – trust me, it’s so bad that even the French can’t actually speak it properly.
Oh, and I found yet another one. Queen of Katwe. It’s a biopic of Phiona Mutesi, a Ugandan girl who became a chess champion, starring Lupita Nyong’o. It’s about a black woman accomplishing something – no, scratch that, it features black people per se. Therefore: Jews cultural Marxism white genocide Anita Sarkeesian beta male cuck (((hollyweird))) 14/88 western civilization Frankfurt school George Soros hypergamy Julius Evola Trump2016 white guilt socialism Tim Wise Benghazi dindu kebab Caitlyn Jenner SJWs Shillary feminazi arglebarglebarglebargle.
Doubt non-bigots would be all that surprised. Miss Maymuru’s ‘look’ – high cheekbones and symmetrical features that default to a smile – could be considered universally attractive.
@Nequam That’s amazing! So great that you had the opportunity to meet such an iconic figure. And it’s also good to hear that he really was as charming to you & the other fans as he was reputed to be.
I grew up watching his horror films (Masque of the Red Death is still one of my favourites) and only knew about his other facets relatively recently. I watched a documentary on him about a year or so ago, and it was so refreshing to hear about a celebrity life that wasn’t a constant litany of anguish.
One of my prize possessions is his cookbook. I think I’m going to have another leaf through this afternoon.
@Sinkable John:
My native language is Afrikaans. It’s the easiest language in the world. We don’t have genders or cases or even verb conjugations. If I hadn’t learned English as a child I’d be tearing my hair out at it.
Nowadays I’m learning German and am very much tearing my hair out over it. Next to German, French is a very doable language. It doesn’t have cases!
Verb conjugation in French is also much easier than it seems, in my experience, because one never actually pronounces the end of a word. It’s sort of cheating. I approve of it immensely.
That really depends though. It may have a subtle effect on the sentence if you do the “liaison”, but honestly, that’s already a higher level of french than most of us would employ anyway. Now, yeah, german. is. much. worse.
I stay away from it as much as possible. Afrikaans sounds pretty interesting though. And these days I’m looking into welsh, because it has awesome words that are untranslatable and carry ideas and concepts that are difficult to find in english or french 😮
Talking of ‘acceptable beauty standards’ apparently Amber Heard is the ‘most beautiful woman in the world’. Thin young white woman, of course. But I see a photo of her and she is the BLANDEST. Yes, you can see her ‘amazing’ bone structure, and her features are symmetrical blah blah blah, but I guess she is a ROK wet dream because her face has no character, and if she goes down the botox route as she gets older will continue to be bland and frankly vacuous.
And depending on who you believe she may have a pretty lousy conniving and spiteful personality too.
Aren’t those rumors pushback against Amber accusing Johnny Depp of intimate partner violence? Did I just read the above post on a feminist blog? Really?
@Nequam:
I will admit that when I think of Price I think of ‘The Hilarious House of Frightenstein‘, which was a Canadian children’s show filmed back in the 1970s. Price wanted to do something more for kids, and the people doing the show wanted to have someone with a bigger name to draw people in for the first time. The entire show was filmed in a marathon session ever several months, with Price’s segments being done just over a few days because they couldn’t afford to hire him full time.
But it is absolutely wonderful to see Price going completely over the top and making fun of his own career and usual film character.
@EJ:
Afrikaans isn’t something I have experience with, though I did do French all through school (I’m Canadian, after all) and did German in high school. I know enough French to get by reading and figure out what English word a French-native friend is looking for, and only enough German to get into trouble but not enough to get out again.
I wouldn’t be surprised if part of the problem you have with German is how similar it is to Afrikaans in parts and how different in others, making confusion easier; Afrikaans is descended from Dutch, and there are a lot of similarities between Dutch and German/Deutsch.
I know people from Brazil who say Spanish is hard to learn because it’s so similar to Portuguese that if you know both, it’s really easy to slip into the wrong structure when saying something.
Sinkable John said
Wow! I never thought of it that way; have always read and thought about cognitive dissonance as a negative thing, so mind=blown. Also, I thought you were perfectly clear!
And? the disappointment I’ve felt when someone I found (physically) attractive “opened their mouth” and became ugly to me was nothing compared to my elation when that guy whose looks I’d not been remotely attracted to became gorgeous to me after getting to know him!
Chio said
I know, right? Also how they treat waitstaff in restaurants and stores is important.
@opposablethumbs
A complete guess, but the time period sounds about right for Robert Mapplethorpe’s pictures of Lisa Lyons. Try googling those names, or Lyons’ alone, and you might find what you’re looking for.
Edit: I should mention that Mapplethorpe’s pics were sometimes very NSFW, not just straightforward nudes.
@EJ(The Other One) Weird: just day before yesterday, I was visiting a friend in Ghent, and a Flemish guy was explaining the differences between Flemish Dutch, Netherlands Dutch, & Afrikaans. He brought up the no-conjugation thing & I was really surprised because I never knew that there were any Indo-European languages you could say that about.
Also, as a former researcher in language issues, I feel the need to be really anal & pedantic here. There isn’t really such a thing as an objectively easier or harder language to learn. Whether or not an individual finds a given language easy or difficult to learn depends on a number of factors, such as what language(s) they already speak, what their language-learning experience is, what attitudes they & society in general have towards the language, if that language is widely used in the public sphere, and so on.
There are lots of myths out there about language, eg “English has no grammar rules,” “Welsh is totally archaic & impossible to learn,” “Spanish is easy.”
I have no idea why people say the first one, but Welsh is a perfectly ordinary, modern Western European language, and if you’ve already learned Spanish, Italian, or French, you’ll probably find a lot of similarities that make it fairly easy to learn. What makes it hard is the dominance of English, which means it’s too easy for most learners to just default to that.
People think Spanish is easy because Spanish-speaking cultures tend to be very positive about others speaking the language, so if you can sort of string two or three words together, everyone will tell you you’re doing great.
ETA & now I see that’s not what you were saying….sorry
@Jenora re Portuguese & Spanish, I can vouch for that completely. I’ve been trying to learn Portuguese, and while I’m actually doing the work, it’s easy. A few minutes away from it & I can barely remember a thing. They’re just too similar.
@Jenroa Feuer: Oh man, that show’s a blast from the past. 🙂
My guess is that they don’t have the insight to apply this to themselves.