Good news everyone! “The Red Pill,” Cassie Jaye‘s long-promised documentary about A Voice for Men that was partly funded by people involved with AVFM and also to a much greater degree by Milo Yiannopoulos fans who want to stick it to feminism, will soon be hitting theaters!
Well, two theaters, in October.
CHECKMATE, FEMINISM!!!1!
The feeling of excitement is palpable at the We Hunted the Mammoth headquarters, though admittedly all of it involves one small cat who for some reason likes to RUN AROUND THE APARTMENT AT BREAKNECK SPEEDS after she poops, and none of it (the excitement, not the poop) involves the A Voice for Men Promo Reel Red Pill documentary at all.
But I can only imagine how excited the general public will be about the film. I mean who wouldn’t be THRILLED by the prospect of seeing a film centered around footage of a three-year-old total failure of a men’s rights rally that seems to have involved a little more than thirty people, with maybe half of them being rally organizers and other AVFM “staffers.”
FUN FACT: In the three years since that “historic” RALLY OF THE CENTURY most of the better-known AVFMers at the rally have ceased to be AVFMers. They quit the band, in other words, and are now pursuing highly unsuccessful solo careers.
In case you can’t read my SUPER LEGIBLE pic above with all the red text on it, here are the highlights, going from left to right, with some helpful links to posts of mine on them.
Nick Reading of Men’s Rights Edmonton … seems to have nothing to do with AVFM any more. I don’t know the details.
Dean Esmay quit AVFM, for reasons that are still unclear, and since then has kept quite busy on Twitter and on YouTube, calling women the c-word; calling feminist women of color “Aunt Jemimahs” [sic]; threatening to literally spit in the faces of some of his MGTOW enemies, and offering helpful gardening tips.
Paul Elam, seen in the pic modeling a very fashionable “I Heart FTSU [F*cking Their Sh*t Up]” t-shirt, just up and quit the men’s rights movement, stepping down as AVFM’s publisher (sort of ) and declaring himself a “former MRA” (kind of). He moved on to his next moneymaking venture, A Near For Men — sorry, An Ear for Men — which involves charging dudes $90 an hour to talk to him on Skype. No, really. His Ear for Men videos and posts, which all seem to end up on AVFM, are pretty much the same sort of crap he used to post there.
And then there’s Attila Vinczer. Hoo boy. Vinczer, formerly AVFM’s “Activism Director,” quit the site in a huff, sending fellow MRAs what I described at the time as “a bitter 8-page ‘Dear Paul’ letter full of accusations and invective and enough self-pity to fill a conference hall.” Then, logging back into his old “editor” account on AVFM, he posted a 4600-word screed attacking Elam, on Elam’s own site. It was deleted, but not before someone — who might have been me, I don’t remember — archived it!
Good times.
Actually, if the Red Pill film gets into this stuff, it might end up being worth watching.
If not, well, it should be a very exciting documentary about people who don’t actually do anything about the problems they claim are all-important, and then give up because activism is hard even if you don’t actually engage in anything that could really be called activism.
Over on AVFM, though, the locals are feeling pretty chuffed.
MGTOW-man has high hopes for the film and some thoughts about my underpants.
For most of my life I have wondered why can’t just one person, or one group, or one voice in mainstream television/communications with the real truth to tell make it into the big mainstream discussion to blurt out the lies being told? Why is it that every single time those speaking never are one of “us” who have nothing but truth to tell?
I hope this movie changes this. No wonder Futrell nearly soiled his undies. He knows the feminist bullies may have just shyt and fell in it …with it finally being in plain sight for the larger population to see.
Ray24, leaning heavily on the Milo Yiannopoulos catchphrase “Feminism is Cancer,” has more measured expecations.
[C]ancer has proven difficult to cure and I have my doubts that the societal cancer of radical feminism will be any easier to get rid of. Still, we have to keep working to find cures for killer diseases like cancer and feminism. I wonder which has caused the most pain & suffering & death, cancer or feminism? :-/
Shrek6 is a bit more confident about the feminism-slaying capabilities of the as-yet-unseen documentary:
I bet the bitches or was that ‘witches?’ Nevertheless, the bitches of East-wick, will do all they can to disrupt the public viewing of this movie.
Seriously though. If this movie is 100% balanced, level, fair and dinky die honest smack down the middle, it will still be a mortal blow to feminism.
On the Men’s Rights subreddit, the reaction has been a bit more mixed, but some of the regulars have given themselves permission to dream big.
Imnotmrabut thinks the film could have a big impact on the presidential election — and beyond!
I’m sure that it’s release prior to November will Stir up quite a set of questions for All Presidential candidates, in the media and leave many voters wondering about new questions.
It will also act as a Thorn in the next US president’s side for their first term, and I’m sure it will be delightfully painful for all in politics. Why worry abut just an election when you can have 4 years of the best show in town and some real ass kicking all for free!
EricAllonde, meanwhile, is looking forward to what he sees as the inevitable FEMINIST RIOTS.
If you remember the feminist riots on campus that we saw for people like Warren Farrell, Milo or even Christina Hoff Sommers – the level of violence by feminists trying to block a screening of this film would be multiple times greater. That would provide fantastic publicity for the film.
Note to anyone thinking about maybe blocking a screening of the film, please don’t. It would provide fantastic publicity for the film.
I, in turn, will do my best to ignore the film. After all, there are more important things to focus on between now and November. We have a Trump to beat.
H/T — r/againstmensrights
A welcome package for everyone’s favourite Social Justice Necromancer! Welcome to the site, Violet!
I’d forgotten how many old jokes there were in here.
@Penny:
I really loathed the special and everything in it, but I am totally with you on the Mycroft thing. It was disgusting.
I’m not a person who blames Tony Blair for all the ills of the world but he did give a lot of momentum to the anti-vax campaign with his ambiguous comments during the Wakefield fiasco.
I’m a believer that politicians’ families, especially children, are not a proper subject for press commentary. However when Cherie Booth made comments that seemed to imply she shared the doubts about vaccines it probably was incumbent upon the Blairs to clarify that they did support vaccination. Unfortunately all Blair said was that they would do what is best for their own children. Technically of course that could be encouraging everyone else to get their kids vaccinated whilst relying on herd immunity for their own kids.
In a post Watergate world where there’s a lot of cynicism about politicians it was easy for papers like the Mail to plug a narrative along the lines of “What aren’t the politicians telling you about vaccines?”
A clear unambiguous statement that the Blairs had vaccinated their kids might have saved a lot of hassle.
@ history nerd
It’s a weird aspect of criminal law in the UK, but that determination is specifically not left to the experts. Even if both prosecution and defence experts agree that a person is not culpable on mental capacity grounds it is still the jury that has to make the final decision about that. The judge obviously directs the jury that the experts all agree but they’re specifically told that they can ignore that and still convict if they want.
(That’s the rule with experts generally in English criminal law; the jury are always told that they can ignore them if they so choose)
Thank you EJ and I like the title even better than the one I came up for myself lol
Now I have scented candles, a hard chair (use it as an altar) and NWO’s big book of learnin’…that should give my social justice necromancy a serious boost!
@EJ
Ah! Missed you there. Anywho, you’re right. Assuming, of course, that Clinton’s numbers remain stable, Polls Plus will start to catch up to Polls Only. Keep in mind, tho, the economic/historical adjustment should still keep PP below PO. The economy is good, but 8 points good? The model resists state flips by assuming statewide allegiances are strong, notably GA and AZ(the former has shifted back pink in PO ?). The current difference is ~10. I’d be surprised if that wasn’t much closer by this time next week
While I’m at it, an interesting thing to look out for is how Johnson and Stein fare now that the general is kicking up. Clinton is almost guaranteed a win, but how big is still hazy. To get the all important landslide (10% vote margin), she’ll need either
#1: the minor parties to drain Trump or
#2: the wonder twins to flounder hard in her direction
It’s usually been #2, but this has been an unusual cycle…
@Penny
Guilty as charged, I’m afraid. Tho, I was more referring to the ‘other’ Mycroft…
@EJ : I think your prediction on 538 is perfectly believable. I did not check the model in depth to be sure.
@rugbyyogi : I dislike your post on vaccine. It put a lot of emphasis on one specific example, who apparently wasn’t formally linked to vaccine, and relatively few on how vaccines avoid things who are way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way worse.
Herd immunity is something for extremely weakened people, not for children whose parents fear an extremely rare allergic reaction or something. It’s important to insist time and again that vaccines are about the safest thing in the world after a plane.
Hello.
Really ? I was thinking Virgo or Aquarius (yes, male gaze, sorry)… I am never good with astrology. I wonder what it may be in chinese astrology.
Have a nice day.
Yes, this – so much so.
The time it was just becoming apparent that Spawn#2 is non-neurotypical was, unsurprisingly, not long after they had had their vaccinations. And this was at a time when the Wakefield lies had not quite yet been completely and resoundingly confirmed as a scam.
The thought, just the thought that there might have been even the shadow of a hint of a possibility that we could inadvertently have done something that harmed Spawn#2 was indescribably painful. All the more so as we were then only just beginning to learn what to do, the bureaucracy you have to go through to get help is impenetrable and horribly antagonistic, and the prognosis was of course completely unknown and unknowable since the range of outcomes over time is extremely wide, the brain is so incredibly plastic and the severity and nature of an individual child’s difficulties varies so enormously. So at the time, there was no way of knowing what Spawn#2’s quality of life and ability to live independently – or not – was likely to be some years down the line, let alone as an adult (the work Spawn#2 has done in the intervening years blows me away. People we know, who know how bad it used to be and who see what Spawn#2 is currently up to, sometimes comment on “our hard work”; I always remind them that Spawn#2 has worked infinitely harder).
Yeah, I would not be at all unhappy if it were possible to take every last fucking penny that Wakefield has scammed from vulnerable people and use it to get more real support for the children who need it. To think he has literally profited from making things worse – eaten and drunk and enjoyed adulation and lived in comfort directly on the back of people’s greater unhappiness – is criminal far beyond my ability to express.
Blogger (well, more like former blogger now, he hasn’t updated in ages) Matthew Baldwin once did a series of posts about his son, who has ASD (I am unsure if this is the right phrasing – please let me know if it’s offensive and if so what’s the more accepted phrasing). He had a really lovely one about the damage of Jenny Mccarthy, less from the vaccine side of things, and more from the autism side, or rather, parents with children on the autism spectrum. The way her “hope” can actually be poisonous. I’ll look for it shortly.
Found: http://defectiveyeti.com/2013/10/28/the-corrosivity-of-inspiration
There’s been a rise in psychological research directed at helping parents of disabled children and the literature can sometimes cross the line and show absolutely no concern for the child’s well-being (or uncritically assume the parents do everything right).
With Down syndrome at least, a women usually chooses to abort after a prenatal test because the doctor told her the child won’t be able to have a good life. It’s more social attitudes than whether abortion is legal or not.
I’m not ready to be a parent yet for a number of reasons, most of which boil down to: I don’t trust that I can take proper care of a child. Added to that, given my ADD, my boyfriend’s ADHD, and my brother’s ASD, there’s a high likelihood that any biological child I have will be neuroatypical, and will therefore require even more support and good parenting to cope with the barriers that society has erected against people like us.
Nevertheless, my boyfriend’s mom has been making her desire for grandchildren very clear in the last few years. (Why she thinks her wishes should factor into our plans for our family, I’m not sure, but that’s a whole different discussion.) One time last year, after I’d patiently explained some of my reasons for waiting, again, she told me not to worry. I would get an amniocentesis, she said, and if the fetus “turns out to be like your brother,” I could simply abort it. My beloved brother, one of the best people I’ve ever had the privilege to know. I had to excuse myself, and I haven’t been able to forgive her yet.
She’s wrong, of course. Autism can’t be detected in utero.
@Viscaria : since I am not familiar with thoses diseases, do you say that your offspring is likely to not be neurotypical because of hereditary conditions, or through cultural transmission ? Not that it change a lot of thing I guess.
The story about your stepmother is very sad. I hate the concept of abortion for non fatal diseases, because handicaped peoples actually have worthy lives. The connection with your brother is of course nauseating. I hope you were able to transmit to her your disgust somehow, so that she can know the rightful reasons you have to shun her.
(note : I won’t, you know, actually shun any person who refuse to have childs or abort on ground of fearing to be unable to cope with their child, in case I suggested that by mistake. But nobody should ever advice someone to abort because of that)
@Ohlmann: there seems to be a genetic component to both AD(H)D and Autism, though it’s not as simple as with disease like Huntington’s. 🙂
And I agree with you: I don’t want to condemn people who choose to end their pregnancies after discovering that the fetus has Down’s, for example. Our society is built to be inaccessible to neuroatypical people, and we don’t offer parents the resources they need to overcome that. Not everyone can offer a good childhood and life to a person with Down’s. It’s a complicated issue.
What’s not complicated: don’t talk about people like my brother like they’re a problem that’s easily solved.
@history nerd
There is no reason to believe that a person with Down’s syndrome will not have a good life, on the contrary, they should be able to have a very good life, one with less pressure and responsibilities than most adults. The more pertinent question is, will they have a ‘productive’ life? Since the validity of a persons existence is, in the USA, and to a lesser extent the rest of the world is in their ability to gain ‘meaningful’ employment, the answer is no. Keeping people alive who do not contribute to the endless game of acquisition, don’t run on the corporate treadmill to earn their crust, and are instead drains on the benefit system is frowned upon. Since the majority of the right wing are against paying tax which will be ‘handed out’ to the weaker members of society, I can see why doctors would recommend abortion, plus they get paid. I’m pro choice, don’t get me wrong, but aborting Down’s children seems awful like Eugenics.
@occasonal reader:
That’s funny because I once tweeted that feminism is indeed Cancer, but it’s also all the other zodiac signs. You know because there are feminists of all zodiac signs.
@Virgin Mary,
I don’t disagree with your comment overall, if I’ve understood you correctly. I read it as: we callously value people based on what they “contribute,” rather than as human beings with inherent value, and the disproportionate abortion of fetuses with Down’s/the institutional encouragement of same are very Eugenics like. Totally with you there.
I take issue with this bit, though:
Are you talking about what should occur in an ideal world? Because I think you’ll find that this is not the reality for most people with Down’s.
So, a thing to add to the vaccine conversation: California has recently put laws into place that state children MUST be vaccinated if they’re going to attend public school. Parents have to provide proof of vaccination upon enrollment in kindergarten (First year for UK peeps).
Which is actually how it was when I was a kid.
So many people I know who are fans of homeopathy don’t even know what it is. They conflate it with herbal remedies (it doesn’t help that so do some of the companies selling products labeled homeopathic), and refuse to believe the actual claims that homeopathy makes are at all related to homeopathy. Add to that the lack of regulation around herbal remedies and it’s likely the thing you’re paying for is not what it claims to be or what you think it is.
@PI – it’s always been mandatory to be vaccinated to attend public school in the US, but people were able to receive waivers for both medical and “philosophical” or religious reasons.
In California, SB277 did away with the philosophical exemption. You can still get a medical exemption for kids who are immunocompromised or allergic to a vaccine or ingredient in a vaccine. It went into effect on July 1st.
There are still unethical doctors like Dr. Bob Sears willing to write bogus medical exemptions, though – for a price.
@viscaria
Yes. I have first hand experience of this, firstly because I worked for the L’Arche community, which is a commune of sorts where both able bodied and disabled people live together, the able bodied people help the other members of the community, and the disabled people are encouraged to contribute as much as they can in daily chores and housekeeping, but also encouraged to be creative, do art, music, cook and keep pets. Secondly, I have a neighbour with Down’s who is in the thirties but is rather like a teenager. She has a full life, and does a lot of sport through the Special Olympics charity, and is especially good at dance and drama.
L’Arche is an extraordinary organization. Thank you for the work you do.
I just don’t want to gloss over the high rate of caretaker abuse against people with developmental disabilities, and the limited protections (at least in Canada) against this abuse. I don’t want to ignore that many accommodations are only available to the wealthy. There is also day-to-day discrimination that occurs.
My limited, second-hand experience with developmental disabilities is mostly to do with my aunt. She was unfortunately dependent on her parents for housing and financial support throughout her life. My grandfather was abusive. I know she experienced ableist abuse in other parts of her life as well. There are programs that would probably have been very helpful to her, but her family lived in poverty and could not afford them.
The solution to all of this, of course, is to improve how developmentally disabled people are treated, not to have less disabled people through Eugenics – a sickening prospect.
kupo said
THANK YOU for this! It’s one of the few things Husbeast and I have to agree-to-disagree on.
I had a tube of arnica cream once that was marketed as homeopathic. I looked at the ingredient list and the first thing listed was, of course, arnica plus a few other things, exactly NONE of which were dilutions of anything. Husbeast still insisted that it could be homeopathic, even though it didn’t fit the definition. I went all purple minion on him (BAH! pbbth!!) then gave up. We don’t talk about it anymore.
ETA different spelling for “pbbth”
@Hambeast : well, there is jsut as much arsenic in it than in actual homeopathic stuff !
I have the habit to say that an herbal remedie that was proved to work is called a medicinal drug. That and the chronic reliability problem of the herbal industry make me warier of herbal remedies than homeopathy. At least, homeopathy won’t give me cancer or poison me.