Good news everyone! “The Red Pill,” Cassie Jaye‘s long-promised documentary about A Voice for Men that was partly funded by people involved with AVFM and also to a much greater degree by Milo Yiannopoulos fans who want to stick it to feminism, will soon be hitting theaters!
Well, two theaters, in October.
CHECKMATE, FEMINISM!!!1!
The feeling of excitement is palpable at the We Hunted the Mammoth headquarters, though admittedly all of it involves one small cat who for some reason likes to RUN AROUND THE APARTMENT AT BREAKNECK SPEEDS after she poops, and none of it (the excitement, not the poop) involves the A Voice for Men Promo Reel Red Pill documentary at all.
But I can only imagine how excited the general public will be about the film. I mean who wouldn’t be THRILLED by the prospect of seeing a film centered around footage of a three-year-old total failure of a men’s rights rally that seems to have involved a little more than thirty people, with maybe half of them being rally organizers and other AVFM “staffers.”
FUN FACT: In the three years since that “historic” RALLY OF THE CENTURY most of the better-known AVFMers at the rally have ceased to be AVFMers. They quit the band, in other words, and are now pursuing highly unsuccessful solo careers.
In case you can’t read my SUPER LEGIBLE pic above with all the red text on it, here are the highlights, going from left to right, with some helpful links to posts of mine on them.
Nick Reading of Men’s Rights Edmonton … seems to have nothing to do with AVFM any more. I don’t know the details.
Dean Esmay quit AVFM, for reasons that are still unclear, and since then has kept quite busy on Twitter and on YouTube, calling women the c-word; calling feminist women of color “Aunt Jemimahs” [sic]; threatening to literally spit in the faces of some of his MGTOW enemies, and offering helpful gardening tips.
Paul Elam, seen in the pic modeling a very fashionable “I Heart FTSU [F*cking Their Sh*t Up]” t-shirt, just up and quit the men’s rights movement, stepping down as AVFM’s publisher (sort of ) and declaring himself a “former MRA” (kind of). He moved on to his next moneymaking venture, A Near For Men — sorry, An Ear for Men — which involves charging dudes $90 an hour to talk to him on Skype. No, really. His Ear for Men videos and posts, which all seem to end up on AVFM, are pretty much the same sort of crap he used to post there.
And then there’s Attila Vinczer. Hoo boy. Vinczer, formerly AVFM’s “Activism Director,” quit the site in a huff, sending fellow MRAs what I described at the time as “a bitter 8-page ‘Dear Paul’ letter full of accusations and invective and enough self-pity to fill a conference hall.” Then, logging back into his old “editor” account on AVFM, he posted a 4600-word screed attacking Elam, on Elam’s own site. It was deleted, but not before someone — who might have been me, I don’t remember — archived it!
Good times.
Actually, if the Red Pill film gets into this stuff, it might end up being worth watching.
If not, well, it should be a very exciting documentary about people who don’t actually do anything about the problems they claim are all-important, and then give up because activism is hard even if you don’t actually engage in anything that could really be called activism.
Over on AVFM, though, the locals are feeling pretty chuffed.
MGTOW-man has high hopes for the film and some thoughts about my underpants.
For most of my life I have wondered why can’t just one person, or one group, or one voice in mainstream television/communications with the real truth to tell make it into the big mainstream discussion to blurt out the lies being told? Why is it that every single time those speaking never are one of “us” who have nothing but truth to tell?
I hope this movie changes this. No wonder Futrell nearly soiled his undies. He knows the feminist bullies may have just shyt and fell in it …with it finally being in plain sight for the larger population to see.
Ray24, leaning heavily on the Milo Yiannopoulos catchphrase “Feminism is Cancer,” has more measured expecations.
[C]ancer has proven difficult to cure and I have my doubts that the societal cancer of radical feminism will be any easier to get rid of. Still, we have to keep working to find cures for killer diseases like cancer and feminism. I wonder which has caused the most pain & suffering & death, cancer or feminism? :-/
Shrek6 is a bit more confident about the feminism-slaying capabilities of the as-yet-unseen documentary:
I bet the bitches or was that ‘witches?’ Nevertheless, the bitches of East-wick, will do all they can to disrupt the public viewing of this movie.
Seriously though. If this movie is 100% balanced, level, fair and dinky die honest smack down the middle, it will still be a mortal blow to feminism.
On the Men’s Rights subreddit, the reaction has been a bit more mixed, but some of the regulars have given themselves permission to dream big.
Imnotmrabut thinks the film could have a big impact on the presidential election — and beyond!
I’m sure that it’s release prior to November will Stir up quite a set of questions for All Presidential candidates, in the media and leave many voters wondering about new questions.
It will also act as a Thorn in the next US president’s side for their first term, and I’m sure it will be delightfully painful for all in politics. Why worry abut just an election when you can have 4 years of the best show in town and some real ass kicking all for free!
EricAllonde, meanwhile, is looking forward to what he sees as the inevitable FEMINIST RIOTS.
If you remember the feminist riots on campus that we saw for people like Warren Farrell, Milo or even Christina Hoff Sommers – the level of violence by feminists trying to block a screening of this film would be multiple times greater. That would provide fantastic publicity for the film.
Note to anyone thinking about maybe blocking a screening of the film, please don’t. It would provide fantastic publicity for the film.
I, in turn, will do my best to ignore the film. After all, there are more important things to focus on between now and November. We have a Trump to beat.
H/T — r/againstmensrights
@Axe
Winston: Ms. Perkins.
[pauses as he messages Ms. Perkins]
Winston: Your membership to AVFM has been, by thine own hand, revoked.
[Mods permaban Ms. Perkins]
“John was a man of Stubbornness. Revisionist. Sheer delusion. Something you know very much about. ”
Viggo Tarasov: “It’s not what you did, son. It’s who you did it to.”
Iosef Tarasov: “That nobody?”
Viggo Tarasov: “That nobody is John Wick.”
Iosef Tarasov: “I’m not afraid of John Wick.”
Viggo Tarasov: “You should be. I once saw him argue with three feminists over a pencil. A fucking pencil.”
“Viggo Tarasov: What happened, John?… We were professional PUAs… Nice Guys.
John Wick: Do I look like a Nice Guy to you? ”
Oh this is too easy.
Have any of these guys actually seen the film? I’m still sort of holding out for a faux sympathetic portrayal which actually reveals just how pathetic this “movement” is.
@Oogly
‘Suddenly 1 day, he loses his shit. This over a woman having opinions, of course. So I made him a deal with him. I gave him an irrational task. A job no one with a conscience would want to pull off. The harassing tweets he sent that day lay the foundation for for the shit merchants we are now…’
Yep, too sad. The sequel can’t come fast enough
A bunch of angry, entitled immature whingers can’t play nicely together, you say? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!
My chosen response to this movie would be to see it with a bunch of other feminists, and hurl derision and popcorn at the screen.
Ooglyboggles:
The important thing for Cassie Jaye is that one of the two is in Los Angeles County, and that the film is scheduled to show for seven consecutive days. That qualifies it for an Oscar nomination!
I think he means “blot”, but “blurting out lies” is a much more accurate description of the MRM.
Spoken like a sheltered brat who’s never lost a loved one to cancer. Meanwhile, feminism has allowed countless women to escape and heal from abusive situations – women who might otherwise have lost their lives.
How do their moral compasses get so wildly out of whack?
Yes, I’m sure Hillary/Trump/the press will take time out of their busy campaign/gaffe/insult schedule to swing by one of the two movie theaters and personally focus on the Very Important Issues of false rape reports and getting even with that harpie who had the nerve to initiate divorce proceedings. Why, I bet the topic of the town hall debate will be nothing but.
(That is, if Trump doesn’t weasel out of the debates.)
@Moggie Sadly, I’m sure they will. They’ll probably accuse her of being a feminazi mole or some sh*t and spam her with death threats for the next few months.
“next few month”. I which I had your optimism.
This is quite an interesting article about Trump, the alt-right, Milo etc.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/aug/16/secret-history-trumpism-donald-trump
I missed this little gem on the first page.
It takes a strange and deluded sort of person to look at the campaigns of both major candidates and decide that “Hilary’s” is the shitty shockumentary.
Not tryna start some shit, and super not tryna give that asshole any legitimacy, but… here I go
How many people has feminism killed? Not literally. Ideas don’t kill people, people kill people, etc. That said, how many deaths might actually be tied to feminist ideology? I don’t mean the epidemic of divorce court suicides these people insist is happening. Real, attributable deaths. I doubt it’s too many, and definitely nowhere near goddamn cancer, but I’m interested all the same. If there are environmentalist terrorists who’ve killed people, are there feminist ones? Rote Zora but with a body count, that sorta thing
Back then, I was already thinking she was trying to get the Evil Feminists to attack and harass her.
It all seemed a bad MRA gotcha attempt a là “both sides are doing it!” but trying to do it one-sided towards the MRA side.
I believe it was a half assed attempt at making Cassie Jaye their Anita Sarkeesian.
I also think MRAs and AVFMers are truly convinced we are as hateful and vicious as them. They probable see we smash some trolls here, so they figure we can’t wait to go do it everywhere else.
They just don’t get the concept of us wanting to be left alone, chasing them off our yard because we want to enjoy the damn yard and that’s it.
But Axe, don’t you remember Valerie Soleras? She wanted to kill all men! And saying that you want to kill all men is exactly the same as actually doing it.
/s
@WWTH
I think Alex was referring to the Dinesh D’Souza movie. If his “documentary” about Obama is any indication, I would assume “Hillary’s America” will essentially consist of a list of all known conspiracy theories about the Clintons. 🙂
EJ t’other:
Valerie Solanas. Every MRA’s second-favourite straw feminist (after Dworkin).
Thanks for the catch, Moggie.
Where’s Terrance? Shouldn’t he be here crowing about how not boycotting this movie is playing right into the MRA’s hands!
Just like boycotting it would also be playing right into their hands!
And asking “what movie?” is also playing right into their hands!
@ axe
Red Zora are probably the nearest any (post suffragist?) feminists have come to using force solely in the name of feminism; but of course they were more concerned about property damage.
The Peshmerga women tend to be feminists, but whilst their killing promotes equality for women, that’s not the primary reason for it of course. Similarly there have been a few killings of misogyists in India but that’s usually in retaliation for rapes and murders; so I don’t think that counts either. There are probably other isolated examples around the world of women seeking their own justice or acting in pre-emptive self defence but any ‘promotion’ of feminism is collateral to their main purpose.
So, whilst no doubt feminists have killed, there doesn’t appear to be even one documented case of feminists killing in the cause of feminism (which is perhaps not unsurprising).
[Sherlock spoilers below, for those who haven’t seen the latest special and want to. Although personally I don’t recommend it.]
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Well, there was that time purple-hooded suffragettes went on a revenge-murder spree of men they hayed, and pretended it was done by ghosts…
Wait, no, that was in the GODAWFUL Sherlock Christmas special. In which it was the solution of a cold case from Victorian times, imagined by a drug-addled Holmes to help him solve a different case decades later. Nevermind.
Sorry, I just really really hated that special. That was my breaking point, for the show. Not going back.
@EJ
I like how you can’t remember her name, and I barely remember she even existed, yet we’re apparently all either acolytes of her world domination scheme (ladies) or cucked human shields for the cause (gents). Nonbinary types don’t exist, of course
Maybe they’re right. Feminists (read: feeemales they don’t like) are useless. Can’t even murder properly, ffs
@Gaebolga
I’d make the obvious and rather crude joke here, but…
@Alan
Knowledge drop acknowledged 🙂
@Penny
Absolutely loved the special. Sorry you didn’t. Different strokes, eh? Still, series 4 is my last unless they hit it outta the park. Hate when things go on too long…
@ penny
Thanks for the excuse to do one of my regular Edith Garrud plugs 🙂
She was more about self defence of course. One thing she did promote (which I find admirably sneaky) was for women to smash police officers helmets. They were quite expensive and the officers had to pay for them themselves. That may have discouraged the officers from interfering too much with suffragist activities.
“offering helpful gardening tips”
God-dammit… I clicked.
I was hoping for something like this:
@Inkswitch, moggie
Oh yeah. I remember now that I was worried that if she presents the MRM in a way they don’t agree with they might turn on her. 🙁
Apologies to Alex then. Didn’t catch the reference!
Didn’t Feminists allegedly run over Erin Pizzey’s dog?