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Roosh: Hillary will usher in a “techno-matriarchy” and ban talking to women in public

Roosh V, trying out the "grizzled prospector" look
Roosh V, trying out the “grizzled prospector” look

With their “God Emperor” way down in the polls, some of Trump’s most enthusiastic supporters are beginning to face the fact that Hillary Clinton will quite likely be the next president of the United States.

Or should I say the next techno-matriarch?

In a post on Return of Kings, Trump supporter and “ironic” rape legalization promoter Roosh V warns his Trump-happy readers that if The Donald doesn’t win in November, Hillary Clinton will usher in a new dark age for dudes.

All men will be negatively affected under a Hillary presidency in one way or another, meaning that the globalist boot is fast approaching our faces.

After assuming office, President Hillary Clinton will

move to establish a techno-matriarchy where men are second-class citizens to any female, [and] ensure that no movement or organization will be able to challenge her or her establishment cronies ever again. This isn’t a trivial matter of getting banned from a web site like Twitter or Youtube—many of you will be forced to escape the country for no other reason than you happening to be a man who found himself on the wrong side of the establishment.

New laws will ban men from doing man things, like pestering women they don’t know on the street.

Talking to girls in public will be illegal harassment or “hate crime,” and be enforced any time you make a girl feel bad for whatever reason, even if you merely stare at her the wrong way (such laws are currently being beta tested in the UK before wider rollout). Blatantly discriminatory “gender equality” laws in the workplace will lower the incomes of all men so that less qualified females can receive job positions and promotions at male expense.

Meanwhile, those brave souls (like Roosh) who speak up against the New Girl Order will be ruthlessly repressed.

They will target us, the alt right, alternative media, patriot groups, survivalists, traditionally conservative groups, and anyone else who strongly supports Donald Trump, tradition, or masculinity. The purpose of acute attacks is to psychologically break down, impoverish, and imprison those who have a powerful ability to counter the narrative or those who have the strength and organizational skill to resist tyranny with arms.

Wait, what?

Sorry, my head is still spinning a little from Roosh’s quick slide from “countering the narrative” to literally launching an armed revolution against a freely elected government. 

Shooting people because you don’t like the results of a free and fair election is not a form of free speech.

But Roosh still holds out hope that a matri-Hillary-archy can be avoided. If Trump wins, he declares,

I predict that a masculine renaissance will occur … where men can once again focus on their own individual goals with Trump as a patriarchal role model.

In Trump’s America, Roosh will be able to get back to what he does best, advising men how to date-rape women after giving them a fake name meet possible future wives.

I would devote more of my energy to helping men successfully pair bond with women, like I started my writing career with, instead of having to play political defense as masculinity becomes retroactively classified as hate speech.

Hillary cannot be elected soon enough.

Also, FYI, I’ve also been speaking to the same “insiders who understand the globalist master plan” that Roosh boasts he’s been speaking to, and they have revealed to me that in the coming techno-matriarchy all men will be forced to do weird dance routines under the supervision of girls in referee outfits. They even showed me footage of one secret training camp:

 

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dslucia
dslucia
4 years ago

Wasn’t there another troll recently who thought that putting “ladies” in scare quotes was the most biting insult he could level at the people on this website?

Or was that actually still just Terrance?

I mean, it probably was Terrance even if he had a different nym, since apparently alt-righters have nothing better to do than ineffectually troll websites they don’t like, but you know.

Karalora
Karalora
4 years ago

Hang on…

If Hillary Clinton is Yellow Diamond, then who is Trump? My gut wants to say…Lars. Unpleasant, heavily orange-tinted, and utterly insignificant compared to the techno-matriarch.

Gert
Gert
4 years ago

Terrance: another equal opportunity racist. A ‘meta racist’, as it were…

Handsome "These Pretzels Suck" Jack (formerly Pandapool)

If Hillary Clinton is Yellow Diamond, then who is Trump? My gut wants to say…Lars. Unpleasant, heavily orange-tinted, and utterly insignificant compared to the techno-matriarch.

Don’t insult Lars like that. He’s more like Marty

Catalpa
Catalpa
4 years ago

@dslucia

Tim/Mark/Terrance has come on here to post the exact same spiel about how marriage is an evil matriarchical plot to steal men’s resources, women are the devil, etc, on several different article comment sections. During one of these threads he admitted that Tim/Mark were the same person (because he has to use a pseudonym because otherwise the evil matriarchy will literally throw him in prison), and Terrance posts the exact same bullcrap as TimMark did. So, yeah, you’re probably remembering one of TimMarkTerrance’s other posts.

Karalora
Karalora
4 years ago

You make an excellent point, Handsome Jack. Perhaps Marty crossed with Lars crossed with that unseen monster from the “Hotdog Dufflebag” short that was spitting black sludge everywhere?

dslucia
dslucia
4 years ago

@Catalpa:

Terrance posts the exact same bullcrap as TimMark did.

In fairness, most manosphere-type rants seem to be pretty indistinguishable even when they do obviously come from completely separate people. I’m convinced they have a form letter or some MadLibs thing that just gets cycled around to everyone who ever posts on an MRA/RedPill/PUA/MGTOW/alt-right/Gator website/subreddit.

Mels
Mels
4 years ago

My guinea pig’s name is Terrance. He left a glob of “boar glue” in his pen this morning for me to clean up. It’s exactly what it sounds like and about as useful as what our troll Terrance is leaving around here.

I’m pretty sure my guinea pig is better informed about gender politics, though.

GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina
4 years ago

@Jack “I mean, I don’t even really know if I really do fluctuate between being feminine or masculine. ”

I’m an old guy who’s been dealing with this issue all my life.

The thing is, “masculine”: and “feminine” are not real Things. They are artificial patterns that society would like to persuade you (or, if that fails, coerce you) into following. As a child, I didn’t like to fight, and I was often called a “sissy” and a “mamma’s boy” because of it. Luckily, when I was a sophomore in college, I came across Simone de Beauvoir’s The Second Sex which explains how femininity is a social construct, and it was easy to see that masculinity was also a social construct. Basically “feminine” is the way traditional society expected and encouraged women to act, and “masculine” is the way traditional society expected and encouraged men to act.

But we are all unique individuals, and we are all a combination of “masculine” and “feminine” attributes, and we shouldn’t have to choose one or the other and try to squeeze our unique selves into one of those misshapen little boxes that society wants to cram us into. I’d suggest to use that you’d probably be better off throwing “masculine” and “feminine” into the trash, where they belong, and don’t worry about which side you might be sliding toward at any given moment.

Now getting rid of the effects of past socialization — that’s the hard part. That will probably take you the rest of your life.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Mary

Yes. Union members are already being excluded from employment in the construction industry. That’s blacklisting

No it is not. Not even remotely. Industry dislikes unions and works to subvert them? Obviously. All the time. Since forever. Not McCarthyism. McCarthyism is when the government indicts people for sedition, on account of having ‘ties’ to socialist or communist groups, without evidence for the crime let alone the ties. Known members of unions being ‘scabbed’ by private companies isn’t at all like what happened in this country with the House Committee. I’d thank you not to equate them

It’s a slippery slope

Here’s how that slope worked in this country. We’ll compare it to what’s going on in your country today and look for similarities, eh?
1)1910: bombing by agitators in Chicago leads to a goose chase, and the conviction of 8 anarchists. The public blames the marching unionsts
2)1917: the Bolsheviks win and leave WWI. Muricans, who were fighting and dying in that war, weren’t happy
3)1919: some anarchists blow up a bunch of people and the 1st Red Scare ensues
4)1920: anarchists Sacco and Vanzetti kill some people. Or maybe they didn’t. The trial was bullshit. They were ‘comrades’ of the 1919 bombers
5)1919-20: illegal arrests, race riots, and the deportation of hundreds of ‘leftist’ activists
6)1929: stock market crashes, union membership increases. Socialists and communists come outta the shadows to not entirely cold reception
7)1941: Russia fights Germany, everyone likes Stalin until…
8)1945: turns out Stalin’s an asshole. Everyone else is dismantling their empires and he’s expanding as he pleases. We just dealt with a despotic fucker with an urge for world domination after all. Also nukes
9)1947: Truman tests federal employees for ‘loyalty’
10)1947-57: the House Committee starts rounding people up to grill them on trumped up bullshit, creating the blacklists

Decades of commie/pinko/socialist terrorism coinciding with anti red sentiment and legal persecution, exacerbated by a World and then Cold War (mutually assured destruction). Meanwhile, the current leader of the opposition in the UK self identifies as a socialist. If and when I see the signs of a slippery slope, I’ll be the 1st to speak out on your behalf. That story just ain’t it

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

Right, by the numbers this time.

First, the Democrat party is made up almost entirely by blacks, browns and single women.

Wrong. 54%, as above. You believe this to be much higher because of confirmation bias.

Second, these are the people that demand free stuff.

Wrong. Lower-income families rely on public services. This is true regardless of racial background. More confirmation bias.

These are also people who see what socialism has done to other nations and know the mass murders, starvation and anarchy socialism brings – but as long as they get their free stuff – they don’t really care.

Wrong. Socialist countries (or, more properly, mixed economy countries) have lower rates of violent crime, poverty, and corruption, and enjoy a higher level of education and quality of life.

They mass migrate here to gain power and then use their ill gotten power to forcefully transfer other people’s money to themselves.

Wrong. If you’re referring to people immigrating to the United States, the US has very stringent immigration requirements. If you’re referring to fleeing refugees, the vast majority of refugees move into neighbouring countries. As for the US/Mexico relation, more illegal immigrants are travelling from the US to Mexico than the reverse.

Know that they know exactly what they’re after and don’t really care about reality or facts. They just want their free stuff – and they want hetero patriarchy whitey to pay/work for it.

Wrong. Feminists – the people you’re railing about in this quote – have always been very clear about what they do want. Individual feminists might spout nonsense, but the basic platform is about justice, and is very clear about wanting equivalency. The right to have fair reward for their efforts, and fair protection when needed. Read a book.

They can’t compete fairly with others for their stuff – so they’ll just vote in people who will force wealth and power from those that earned it to themselves.

Wrong. There are enormous numbers of studies showing that society as a whole values the work of women less than the work of men, even when that work is qualitatively and objectively equivalent. They can compete fairly – if they are allowed. This is what Feminism is about. Try to put yourself into someone else’s perspective.

In short – White men must be vanquished for the failings of blacks, browns and feminists. White heterosexual men are the new Jews – ripe for mass murder.

Wrong. Your error is hyperbole.

Men won’t enlist under a corrupt, man hating feminist

Wrong. You underestimate how much Americans love their country. You also assume that all men think as you do. You are wrong on both counts.

women will refuse enlistment

Wrong. Many women include the right to enlist in the combat arms as a plank of the Feminist platform. Equality, remember?

I’d do the others, but, egh. It’s all the same. A mealy pablum of confirmation bias, unfounded outrage, and hurt-feels emotions. Gross.

If you didn’t clue in from the above, Terrance – you’re wrong. About everything.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

<3 Jack, and Grumpy. You both have been instrumental in some self discovery of my own, in fact. Thank you.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

“A mealy pablum of confirmation bias, unfounded outrage, and hurt-feels emotions.”

Okay, what are the odds of Terrance slinking away until he hopes we’ve forgotten about him, vs him strutting back in here and pretending his man-logic is superior to our Earth logic?

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

:3 Oh I do hope he returns. I have a heapin’ helpin’ of invectives for him if he wants them.

Handsome "These Pretzels Suck" Jack (formerly Pandapool)

@GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina

The thing is, “masculine”: and “feminine” are not real Things. They are artificial patterns that society would like to persuade you (or, if that fails, coerce you) into following.

But we are all unique individuals, and we are all a combination of “masculine” and “feminine” attributes…don’t worry about which side you might be sliding toward at any given moment.

Yeah, I know, but it’s the easiest way to explain how I feel. I know they’re not “real” concepts in the fact that men have to be masculine and women have to be feminine but I don’t want to act masculine or feminine, I want to be perceived as masculine or feminine or neither. It’s also the easiest way to explain why I would like to be called “they” and don’t mind being called “he” or “she” some days or why sometimes it bothers me.

Mostly, I think the problem isn’t the concept of femininity and masculinity, it’s the concept that femininity and masculinity are assigned to genders which are assigned to genitals and body parts or even chromosomes or hormones, and people think only certain combinations of genitals, hormones and chromosomes exist when they don’t, so everything is just either one or the other when that goes against the nature of everything.

It’s also really hard to be agender and not have a gender neutral body. I’m not androgynous in the least. People will always just assume I’m a certain gender when I’m not any gender just because of how I look. It’s upsetting sometimes.

Now getting rid of the effects of past socialization — that’s the hard part. That will probably take you the rest of your life.

Yeah, it’s very hard, especially when people misgender you all the time, and I’ll likely have to deal all my life being misgendered unless people decide to start using gender neutral language before I die.

Bina
4 years ago

Re: Terrance: Why is this ass still holing here? He’s as boring as all the rest of them. Mork calling Orson, come in Orson…troll termination requested!

MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
4 years ago

Bryce-

Don’t forget the socialist wastelands of Britain, France, Germany, Australia and New Zealand

As an Australian, I can tell you that Australia is the worst of them all!!!!!!! Not really. Australia is pretty awesome. 😊 Hmmm….. Maybe socialism is not so bad after all. 😃

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

Amandajane5 nailed it.

That is true of misigynists and racists.

Their greatest fear is that one day the tables will turn and they’ll find themselves being treated the way the people they hate are treated now.

They can’t conceive of equality because they know how desperately they cling to their priviledge and they lack the ability to empathize enough with others enough to understand that we aren’t all as selfish, entitled and cowardly as they are.

They’re afraid of us because they assume we think the same way they do. That’s what so much of the projection is about. Surely, given half a chance, we would be just as shitty as they enjoy being which is fine because they are shitty to other people. But we would be shitty to THEM and that makes it wrong.

So, there is alot of projection involved in their hatred. There is also alot of denial. In order to think like Doosh or Terrence, you can’t just be ignorant. You have to be in complete denial of large swaths of human history as well as how countries are actually run and laws are made.

White men have stolen labor from women and brown people for centuries. Then they turn around and call both lazy or unfit for difficult (also often prestigious or well paying) work. They did everything they could to prevent anyone not white and male from being educated, powerful or wealthy and then claimed we lacked ambition and fortitude. When in reality it is evident that they were the ones afraid to compete with us.

Some of them are still afraid to.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
4 years ago

@Terrance

First, the Democrat party

Okay, stop right there.

It’s DemocratIC party.

If you can’t even use the proper name of the party, let alone accurately describe its constituents, why should anyone take your opinions seriously?

Second, these are the people that demand free stuff. These are the people that want free education, housing, food and medical care.

As a matter of fact, whites make up a greater percentage of welfare recipients than blacks, and the 10 states most dependent on federal assistance are red (Republican) states.

Thanks for playing! We have some lovely parting Legos for you to step on.

@Mels

Hetero Patriarchy Whitey: worst action figure ever.

Or a mediocre line of MRA briefs (aka Uptighty Whiteys).

Tosca
Tosca
4 years ago

Oh, Terrence, Terrence, Terrence.

It will never cease to amaze me how often MRAs insist that women are oppressing men because for most of history women have not fought in wars.

For most of history, women have not been allowed to fight in wars.

The US removed prohibitions on women serving in combat roles in 2013. 2013, Terrence. That means that women were specifically prohibited from fighting in wars like men, from the founding of the United States of America to three years ago.

You can’t actively prevent people from doing A Thing, and then blame them for Not Doing The Thing, Terrence. The technical term for that is being an asshole.

Catalpa
Catalpa
4 years ago

^ Well, if women REALLY wanted to join in combat roles, they shouldn’t have let the restrictions placed on them by men prevent them from dying alongside men in combat! They should have joined anyway, perhaps dressed like men. But of course no feeble female would ever do such a…

I’m receiving reports that that is indeed what multiple women throughout history have done. Well how about that.

But I suppose those women don’t count, because of reasons.

tim gueguen
4 years ago

Terrance talking about anyone being “the new Jews” is silly given how many strains of the fringe right still hold antisemitic views of one sort or another, and he seems to be coming from that side of the fence.

As for Roosh V he might want to reconsider his support for Trump. After all a good chunk of Trump’s fanbase would consider him an “Eh-rab” and want him deported, or at the very least watched by the authorities, and those people are the ones Trump keeps pandering to. The fact he isn’t a Muslim(or if he is he’s pretty much an apostate one) and was born in the US won’t make a difference, he’s still one of “them” to the nativist crowd that love the Donald.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Terrance

What planet did you grow up on, Kat? The one in which women always depended on men’s deaths for their rights and privileges?

Finally someone noticed that I am not a terrestrial!

So excited!

Sweetie, I grew up on Venus. It’s all women and we respect and love each other and our one and only home, Venus. Planet Earth is suffering right now because of human stupidity, aka the patriarchy. I’m here as a messenger.

And you?

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Terrance

I’d actually like to thank you, feminists, for awakening . . . women’s desires. Feminism is great for men.

You get more charming with each post I (belatedly) read.

You are welcome, Terrance!

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

[M]any of you will be forced to escape the country for no other reason than you happening to be a man who found himself on the wrong side of the establishment.

I’m not sure that there’s space for all of you with Julian Assange at the Ecuadorean Embassy in London — even if you all sleep on the floor.

Okay, PUAs, I’ve given this more thought. Beyond the whole bunking-it-with-Assange-in-London thing, here are two more ideas:

1. Argentina! It’s a classic for Nazis. You neo-Nazi PUAs already know that your heroes Josef Mengele and Adolf Eichmann ended up there. Maybe Argentina will take you in for old time’s sake? (Warning: President Juan Peron, who had all the sympathy in the world for Nazis, is long dead.)

2. Okay, this one is bound to be controversial, but hear me out.

The White House!

The guy who looks to become the first First Gentleman was (is?) a PUA himself! You are his peeps. He’ll definitely want to protect you from harm. And where better than right where he can keep close watch on you?

Okay, guys, that’s it for now. I’m always keeping your welfare in mind!

Snowberry
Snowberry
4 years ago

And, uh, just as a reminder, people are not hermaphroditic, only animals and plants.

I wasn’t referring to intersex people, I meant making it so that humans had a fully functioning dual-reproduction system like certain animals and plants. Just deactivated so they could choose which set to use for reproduction, when they were ready to have children. What else would you call that?

This is unrealistic because standard mammalian biology doesn’t support hermaphroditism very well. Might even cause some weird gender identity issues, depending on how gender identity actually works. It would be a hard sell even if it were possible. No one’s researching it anyway. However… if it did happen, it could potentially solve a lot of social issues by sidestepping them entirely.

EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

Thanks very much for that, Jack. I really appreciate you being willing to discuss it like that.

EDIT:
It seems almost banal for me to keep typing “what Lea said” in every thread, and yet she keeps completely hitting it out of the park every time.

Bryce
Bryce
4 years ago

@Virgin Mary

What Catalpa said. By his limited definition those countries are socialist. And since they benefit from a high standard of living – higher than the US overall – pointing this out counters Terrance’s silly hackneyed “free stuff”/’leach off the state’ argument.

sevenofmine
sevenofmine
4 years ago

Men: *explicitly prevent women from doing Thing*
Also men: “Why do I always have to do Thing myself?! WOMEN ARE OPPRESSING ME!!!!”

sevenofmine
sevenofmine
4 years ago

White men throughout US history have had greater access to opportunity by virtue of deliberately, explicitly excluding everyone who was unlike them (when they weren’t outright murdering or enslaving them). Then, when we begin taking the first baby steps toward not doing that anymore, suddenly other demographics start overtaking them. Then jackasses like Terrence cry entire oceans over the state of not being able to win when the game isn’t rigged in their favor. But women and brown people (and combinations thereof) are the ones who expect everything for free. Seems reasonable.

Handsome "These Pretzels Suck" Jack (formerly Pandapool)

I wasn’t referring to intersex people, I meant making it so that humans had a fully functioning dual-reproduction system like certain animals and plants…

The words “hermaphrodite” and “pseudo-hermaphrodite” are stigmatizing and misleading words. Unfortunately, some medical personnel still use them to refer to people with certain intersex conditions, because they still subscribe to an outdated nomenclature that uses gonadal anatomy as the basis of sex classification…

While some intersex people seek to reclaim the word “hermaphrodite” with pride to reference themselves (much like the words “dyke” and “queer” have been reclaimed by LBGT people), we’ve learned over the years it is best generally avoided, since the political subtlety is lost on a lot of people.

Is a person who is intersex a hermaphrodite?, Intersex Society of North America

http://41.media.tumblr.com/7d8d009bf885263d88290295656d93b2/tumblr_nzemt2S5lu1r9idblo2_250.png

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

@snowberry : the idea of being able to change sex at will is an interesting one, but just the hormonal problems it will cause mean it’s a lot of research to be able to do that. It’s also pretty likely to be a Very Bad Idea to do that before adulthood (because the time where the body grow seem to be the one time where messing with hormones need to be done in the most careful possible way), which mean it won’t help any transexual at all.

That might come an unexpected development of better hormonal and brain understanding. But I would not bet on it while I am alive.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

(also, saying “human aren’t hermaphrodite, only animals and plants” confuse me because humans very much are animals. But I get what you mean)

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

OT: Secret ledger in Ukraine lists cash for Donald Trump’s campaign chief

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html?_r=0

In other news, Ivanka Trump is currently vacationing in Croatia with Wendi Deng Murdoch, the woman who was most recently married to Rupert Murdoch (Fox News) and is now the girlfriend of Vladimir Putin (president of Russia).

Chelsea Clinton is also good friends with Ivanka Trump.

I suppose I could have made this stuff up, but I didn’t.

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
4 years ago

@varilys

Well quite, I know the UK and the USA have a (lol) Special Relationship but I don’t think we beta test their laws for them.

Actually, we kinda do… both ways though. There’s a problem in policy world and it’s that the US and UK both look at each other’s policies and effectiveness without a lot of regard to other countries’ polices and practice. Yeah, sure we’ll look at some other English speaking country policies (Canada, maybe the antipodeans) and sometimes we’ll look at Nordic country policy (because it’s published in English) and very rarely we’ll look at places like Holland. Partly this makes sense because of the common law basis, but partly it’s just the arrogance of English-speaking peoples. I’m fully guilty of this.

In health care, this has been a disaster. The American system is dire, the NHS really is in crisis – but all most hacks can do is compare these two systems to each other – often without recognising the actual strengths and fatal weaknesses of these very different approaches.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ rugbyyogi et al

It’s not uncommon for different countries to copy legislation from one another. Sometimes it’s because they’re trying to adopt general principles as you mention. Other times it’s because they have identified a need for a particular law and someone else has done all the drafting. This is particularly the case where developments in society throw up new problems.

[This crops up a lot with international agreements. So you might get a treaty in relation to common IP protection standards. One country will draft a law and all the others will just copy that one]

So for example, historians of UK labour relation laws will find elements of The Taft Hartley Act very familiar. Also, as common law jurisdictions began to codify law there was a lot of borrowing from each other. A lot of UK, Australian and Canadian legislation is practically verbatim.

One of the ironies of the Brexit debate is that large areas of ‘Foreign’ EU law was copied word for word from existing UK law.

*Legal Nerd Warning*

EU consumer law directives were modelled directly from the UK’s Unfair Contract Terms Act, Sale of Goods Act, and Supply of Goods and Services Act. Under EU law each state must pass an act implementing each directive into its domestic law. So the Acts implementing those directives in the UK pre-date the directives themselves. The respective dates make it look like time travel was involved.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

I notice that up thread there was some mention of Nottinghamshire police’s decision to treat misogyny as a hate crime. This did crop up before so, being a lazy bloke, I’ll just cut & paste my previous:

Re: Nottinghamshire Police

It’s good that that police service is now recording misogynystic incidents separately, but they haven’t actually created any new offences.

Basically there was a change recently that allowed individual police forces to decide for themselves (subject to some limits) on how they recorded crime. Nottingham police have defined hate crime thusly:

“any incident which may or may not be deemed as a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person, as being motivated by prejudice or hatred”.

So an incident could be recorded as a hate crime (with misogynistic hate crimes having their own separate categorisation) but they can only initiate a prosecution if the incident amounts to an actual offence known to law (they can still give someone a talking to though).

So if you’re assaulted because you’re a goth then that would be an offence in itself and also recorded as a hate crime.

However the downside is that anyone could ask for an incident to be categorised as a hate crime, even if they weren’t the ‘victim’ or there was no actual offence committed. So if a feminist in Nottingham posts something that an MRA disapproves of, then the MRA can ask that it be recorded as hate crime motivated by misandry.

So, worthy idea, but really open to abuse.

Kevin
Kevin
4 years ago

@Snowberry
The idea reminds me of LeGuin’s Gethenians in ‘The Dispossessed.’ They are a human population who have developed as having both sexes in one body. Their culture displays no sexism as a result, but people being people, Gethenian society develops problems of its own.

Kevin
Kevin
4 years ago

@Snowberry
Sorry, should have been ‘The Left Hand of Darkness.’ Long time since I read the book.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

@axe

Yes, the current leader of the opposition does openly identify as a socialist, but take a closer look what’s going on. The Labour NEC will stop at nothing to remove him, even invalidating members permission to vote. The Blaitite ‘Red Torys’ have a man on the Labour leadership ballot who they approve of, Owen Smith, a former lobbyist for Pfizer and Iraq war supporter in favour of austerity and privatisation. What the NEC are doing now is cheating, to improve Smith’s chances of election. You surely have heard how members of the left are being demonised in the press as Trots and communist rabble, when all we want is to properly restore the Labour Party to its rightful place as a ‘workers party’, but in actual fact, many people being labelled thus are having their democratic rights taken away. That and the employment blacklisting of union members. It is exactly what I said before, a slippery slope.

Wetherby
Wetherby
4 years ago

It’s not uncommon for different countries to copy legislation from one another. Sometimes it’s because they’re trying to adopt general principles as you mention. Other times it’s because they have identified a need for a particular law and someone else has done all the drafting. This is particularly the case where developments in society throw up new problems.

When he retired, my dad acted as a consultant to quite a few countries with regard to reforming their legal systems – he basically flew over there and explained in detail how the British system worked, and I assume they also consulted people of similar expertise in other countries.

Because of course if something has been tried in practice, it’s well worth studying in depth, at least as much if it failed as if it succeeded.

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

OT, but it was mentioned up-thread: I’m pleased that the latest “Zapp as Trump” videos feature Kif sighing. I guess that answers the question some had about whether Maurice LaMarche approves.

Also, I love how Billy West can make a word end with three ‘d’s.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ wetherby

Some mates had a nice gig advising the former Soviet republics on possible legal systems post CCCP break-up.

“And of course you can have a separate convention on human rights or alternatively incorporate them into domestic law”

“Yeah, that’s great. How do you set up a hedge fund?”

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ moggie

Also, I love how Billy West can make a word end with three ‘d’s

Billy West said of Frank Welker “He’s the guy you go to if you need the sound of 20 ducks, and one of them has a limp”

brian
brian
4 years ago

Hey, did Roosh ever explain why it would be a “techno”-matriarchy rather than a plain ol’ regular-style matriarchy? cuz nothing in the parts David quoted sounds very “techno”…

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

“Techno-matriarchy” ought to be an EDM label.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Mary
OK. You’ll appreciate, I hope, my fatigue on this issue. See, we’ve been dealing with a similar situation to what your talking about over here. For the last half year, a buncha people have been droning incessantly about how democracy is dead and everything is rigged. That a private organization having rules for who is and isn’t allowed choose it’s leader is a violation of rights. That establishment preference is very nearly treason. Not convincing, to say the least, but stubbornly memetic

Now, I looked into the NEC stuff. Not really cheating so much as clever use of rules, but it’s whatever. Semantics, right? Regardless, nobody’s rights have been taken away. Unless I’m misunderstanding how political parties work over by you, this is just a shadier version of what happened in our NY primary. Shady, however, doesn’t mean illegal and definitely not an abuse of rights

Finally, let’s talk slippery slope. I loathe the slippery slope argument. Not so much in theory as in practice. It’s almost always bullshit and it lends itself easily to hyperbole. Should Labour have sturdier rules? Absolutely. Is this a slippery slope to more finagling? Sure. Should those construction companies have done what they did? No. Is that a slippery slope to more fuckery? Seems it. Those are problems enough without invoking the idea of Her Majesty’s government forcing people to name names or face jail time. Twitter bans aren’t censorship and this ain’t anything like McCarthyism. Perspective, ya know?

jefrir
jefrir
4 years ago

Terrance

Obama = America’s Brown Hilter

Um, you know Obama’s been president for eight years, right? There seems to have been a distinct lack of white men being herded into concentration camps so far.

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
4 years ago

Wendi Deng Murdoch, the woman who was most recently married to Rupert Murdoch (Fox News) and is now the girlfriend of Vladimir Putin (president of Russia)

So her type is ‘supervillain’.