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Men’s Rights Redditors predict a dystopian gynocracy under President Hillary Clinton

Hillary, destroying city BUILT BY MEN
Hillary, destroying a city BUILT BY MEN

I sometimes lie awake at night imagining the eldritch horrors of a Trump presidency. Men’s Rights Redditors, by and large, seem pretty stoked by the possibility. No, what keeps them awake at night is the thought of Hillary Clinton behind the desk in the Oval Office.

In a post on the Men’s Rights subreddit yesterday, one Men’s Rightser asked his compatriots what they thought would happen to men — especially working class men —  if (when?) Hillary wins in November.

“Hillary will destroy working-class males,” declared someone called Mens-Advocate.

“Suppression and demonization of males will continue unabated if not accelerate,” Maltreatments added.

“War with Russia and more suffering,” predicted DarthRedimo.

“Working class males will be sent to die in more neo-con wars while females stay home or at least off the front lines,” ThePigmanAgain warned.

The only place where Clinton will harm males and females equally is when it comes to being blown up by some lunatic Muslim pissed off at yet another sea of Arab blood being shed by the psycho in the white house.

As the Men’s Rights Redditor known as HQR3 sees it, Hillary Clinton will be even worse than the dreadfully misandrist Obama. Because Obama is only the tool of the feminist overladies; Hillary is one of the boss ladies herself.

“In gender terms, Obama is a lower level feminist,” HQR3 argues,

whereas Clinton is one of the feminist queen bees. Instead of having an intermediary like Valerie Jarrett relaying “suggestions” to the Oval Office, Hillary will be the originator of the feminist policies. And she knows precisely what to do.

And she’ll be really really sneaky about it, just like a woman:

Expect her first term in office not to have overt misandry, but rather she will indulge in extreme gynocentrism–e.g., women’s health, girls’ STEM education, women’s homelessness, PTSD among returning female vets, ad nauseam. … Don’t expect any overt misandry unless she wins a second term.

Here antimale stances will be subtle. While an Obama (or Biden, for that matter) would refuse (upon orders) not to meet with Warren Farrell, much less entertain the idea of WH Council on Men and Boys, Hillary would: she’d nod sympathetically, promise action, and dutifully deliver…an underfunded ($10M) council headed by Michael Kimmel, nagging boys into surrendering their masculinity.

To MRAs, the notion of Michael Kimmel, a feminist academic who writes regularly on masculinity, running a White House council on men is roughly akin to Adolf Hitler running a White House Hitler Club for Hitlers.

Other MRAs shared Trumpian nightmares of a country overwhelmed by immigrants. Someone called 4175 envisioned working class men facing

Depressed wages due to rush process of legalizing illegal immigrants …  [M]en, particularly black men, coming out of prison will have basically no chance of getting work as millions of former illegals with “clean” records that started on day one of their citizenship, will be the easier hire. 

Never mind that Hillary is pushing for reforms that would make it easier for those coming out of prison to get jobs.

Government jobs quickly become the best around through stability and wages, are now further dominated by women, especially with the huge difference in university degree rates which are a standard state/fed job requirement. Even worse will be direct pushes from white house for unequal woman-first hiring push in government in the afterglow of woman president election. Ripple effect lasts for generations.

Continuation of failed Rockefeller drug laws continue to ruin lower class male outcomes. Clinton made hay with being ‘tough on crime’ in the past, its an easy playbook to reach for again even in an era of decreasing crime rates.

Never mind that Hillary has called for the end of “racial profiling, and … racial disparities in sentencing,” as well as calling for “alternatives to incarceration, particularly for nonviolent and first-time offenders.” These things could drastically reduce the number of young black men wasting away in prison because of drug offenses.

Meanwhile, Trump has declared himself the “law and order candidate.” And decades before he decided to run for president, he famously took out a full-page ad in New York’s Daily News demanding the death penalty for the five teenagers — all of them black or hispanic — who were thought to have carried out the brutal rape and beating of a Central Park jogger. Turns out these then-kids were innocent; the real rapist confessed to one of the five in prison, and DNA evidence confirmed his story, after the now-adult five had spent a collective forty years in prison. Had Trump had his way they would have been killed at the hands of the state that had wrongly convicted them.

4175 was hardly the only Reddit MRA making up his own “facts” about Hillary.

“She’s on record officially supporting separate due process for women,” insisted Shammythefox, predicting “an administration that is very hostile to men.”

Of course Hillary supports no such thing. The claim seems to have come from a rather tendentious reading of an op-ed by the candidate discussing some of the unique problems faced by women in prison and their families, many of them stemming from the fact that mothers are far more likely than fathers to be the primary caregiver of their children.

This was, incidentally, the same op-ed in which she discussed the criminal justice reforms mentioned above — reforms that would benefit young black men most of all.

But never mind, because in the fever dreams of Men’s Rights Redditors, Hillary and the rest of the evil misandrists who run the world barely consider men to be human.

“[W]e’re on a slide to “pet”, then “object” (some are already there), and will end up at “pest” before things turn,” sniffed someone called rg57.

Still, not every Men’s Rights Redditor is predicting a man-geddon for working class men, or men in general, if Hillary is elected.

“Honestly I dont think much would change,” wrote Leinadro.

They would continue toiling away as the unsung backbone of the economy while being told they are entitled misogynists for having an opinion.

But there is one chance.

Bring up the plights of men to Clinton directly, openly, and frequently.

If feminism is about “equality for all people” then it shoulnt take much effort to at least have the greivances of men to be heard right? Sure change wont be instant but speaking up shouldnt be too hard right?

But Mens-Advocate — we met him earlier — had a ready response to this heretical view.

“I presume you think lynch victims should just have appealed to the Klan’s ‘better side’?” he asked sarcastically.

There should really be some sort of updated Godwin’s Law to invoke every time some MRA dude compares men to slaves or victims of the Klan.

Sometimes I wonder if we need to have a total and complete shutdown of white men voting until we can figure out what is going on.

NOTE TO LITERAL-MINDED MRAS: That last bit there contained

SARCASM

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Handsome "These Pretzels Suck" Jack (formerly Pandapool)

Once against, men of color are only mentioned by MRAs as a cudgel against a woman when you know they wouldn’t give two shits about them in any other situation.

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

These fools know less than nothing.

Bina
4 years ago

Funny how quickly they start to care about black dudes, but only when it serves their interests. Women? Get under the bus, all of you, no matter what color you are. Because if you don’t want to stay under our thumbs, that’s where you go! And shoot, what are facts when you have MALE OPINIONS? Inferior like feeeemales, of course!

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
4 years ago

Gynocentry is a word that needs to be burned.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

Sometimes when MRAs blather on like this, I wonder what would hurt them more: seeing their dire predictions come to pass, or living in a world that isn’t meeting their worst expectations. Most of the time, I think they’re more hurt that reality isn’t cooperating with their predictions.

buttercupia
buttercupia
4 years ago

How easily they imagine Hillary treating them like they’d like to treat all women.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

Waiting on the trolls, I mean concerned citizens against Clinton…

Also, I like how the 1 dude, who’s like ‘maybe we should actually do some activism and/or advocacy on behalf of men’s rights’, gets told off by the muffuga named Mens Advocate. But keep saying it’s really about men’s human rights. Totes believe you

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
4 years ago

[W]e’re on a slide to “pet”, then “object” (some are already there), and will end up at “pest” before things turn

Funny, that’s how women feel every time they read MGTOW/RedPill/RoK/etc etc etc.

Kootiepatra
4 years ago

…extreme gynocentrism–e.g., women’s health, girls’ STEM education, women’s homelessness, PTSD among returning female vets…

Extreme gynocentrism.

Health, education, homelessness, mental health.

Totes extreme, you guys.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

I’m wondering why she would want to meet Warren Farrell, and even more why this low level know nothing would be on her list of people to meet in the first place? Warren Farrell is a nobody, he’s only famous in MRA land, which isn’t the real world.

On a similar subject, I watched that movie hit piece ‘Clinton Cash’ – ‘follow the money’ it says, so I did, all the way to Breitfart ‘news’. Humph.

Banananana dakry
Banananana dakry
4 years ago

@Victorious Parasol

Because after all, MANLY MANLOGIKS and after all, MANLOGIKS are superior because they are made by a MAN. SUPERIOR MANLY MANLOGIKS. Reality must BEND TO THE MANLOGIKS OF MANLY MEN. Because MEN.

Or alternately, definition of an MRA: someone who thinks they are intrinsically superior because they have a penis, and who is pissed off that nobody else thinks the same. Including the laws of space and time.

Loquora
Loquora
4 years ago

Trump is stoking these idiot’s fires by saying today that if (most likely when) Clinton is elected that only a “Second Amendment” option would stop her from appointing Supreme Court justices he and his ilk disapprove of. Sick. And in a more just world he would be in jail for attempting to insight violence.

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

[M]en, particularly black men, coming out of prison will have basically no chance of getting work as millions of former illegals with “clean” records that started on day one of their citizenship, will be the easier hire.

If a male former convict and a male former “illegal” go up for the same job, and the job goes to the “illegal,” has a man’s job been stolen? Trick question! “Illegals” cannot be men. They are the faceless, genderless Other.

dlouwe
dlouwe
4 years ago

They would continue toiling away as the unsung backbone of the economy while being told they are entitled misogynists for having an opinion.

It’s always telling when they make vague statements like “for having an opinion.” They’re quite clearly trying to avoid (or simply can’t fathom) the fact that a lot of men are called entitled misogynists because they have entitled and misogynist opinions. When someone comes in and accuses feminists for labeling or shutting down people “just because they _____” without any context, it’s generally only a matter of time before they say something that warrants said label or being shut down.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

Kootiepatra said what I was gonna say. It’s hilarious, and infuriating, that they say “The things women are asking for are totally unreasonable!” and then list – health care, education, social support.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton won’t meet with Warren Farrell to hear about men being oppressed by female butts and not getting to expect sex in exchange for a drink? What kind of dystopia is this? How dare Obama have focused on silly first world problems like getting us out of a recession. How horrible that Clinton is promising to work on such silly female frivolities as student loan debt relief.

Luckily Trump will surely appoint Farrell as the Tzar of the War on Girl Germs department. Trump for president of MRAmerica!!!!

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

Ooh, right, yes, sorry to post again so quickly but dlouwe reminded me: do you know who actually make up the unsung backbone of the US economy, you MRA tools? Yeah. Undocumented immigrants. The very same group of people you’re all shitting on.

magnesium
magnesium
4 years ago

whereas Clinton is one of the feminist queen bees

lol no. And it got stupider from there.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

I love how they describe Clinton as a super intelligent mastermind that will have very precises plans to get her goal rolling.

I wish I could be as optimistic as they are about the skill of any political man or woman.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
4 years ago

@Ohlmann

Tip : you mean “politician”. Not to play grammar nazi, but here it might be useful to correct, as “political person” doesn’t mean quite the same in English as in French.

As for how they describe her, it’s less as a super intelligent mastermind than as an evil, cunning and ruthless one, because don’tcha know, women can’t be intelligent. But they’re evil. Because vaginas or something.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

@ Banananana dakry

When an MRA attempts to logic, I find myself wondering where I could get a thimbleful of scumble.

leftwingfox
leftwingfox
4 years ago
Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
4 years ago

@leftwingfox Diabolical. That hurts just watching that. 😛

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

@Viscaria

Well I certainly hope he (the MGHOW responsible for that particular prediction) doesn’t mean he thinks that in order for them to receive their citizenship they will have to be ‘desexed’? Either way that sort of BS isn’t going to happen as part of a Clinton presidency (breathes sigh of sweet relief thinking about it).

I had to explain to my uncle over dinner Sunday why I feel it’s a bad idea to vote for a third party ticket, particularly in the coming presidential election this year. He seems to think that if the third party won by a landslide in a state or two and the house gets the final decision by default hierarchic government processes, chaos will not ensue and problems will not abound. *sigh* Still not going to be part of such a foolish effort, uncle, I’m voting for Hillary and that’s that.

*And I would so contribute money to those re-education camps….hell I know where people with treadmills they don’t want can donate them now! 😛

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcxkkrNSv-4
Good lord. Trump just said “the 2nd amendment” is the solution to Hillary getting to appoint judges.

This is literally out and about fascist rhetoric. There is no exaggeration here, that’s just what it is, a literal call for violence. I don’t care about saying disrupting the system is somehow inherently wrong and say that third parties are poison to politics, every other country has already done that for me, but I do care a whole lot more when Nazi rhetoric like this is put to the table. This is stuff you’d find in recordings of brown shirts on the streets shouting before mayhem ensues. Jill Stein is an anti-vaxxer, and the libertarian who wants the TPP to be a thing.

(((VioletBeauregarde))): Prominent Misanderer of the Gynocracy
(((VioletBeauregarde))): Prominent Misanderer of the Gynocracy
4 years ago

Those guys were clearly watching “No Men Beyond This Point” while high as kites.

JoeB
JoeB
4 years ago

@Loquora

Utterly disgusting and somehow the video is even worse than the transcript.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html

and of course because his campaign is a dumpster fire two conflicting statements were put out on it and hours later Trump acted like he didn’t remember saying it.

JoeB
JoeB
4 years ago

@Ooglyboggles

She has just dog whistled super hard about vaccines (and WiFi) not taken an outright anti- stance. Disqualifying imo, especially for someone who should know better, but it’s important to be fair.

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

“Second Amendment people have amazing spirit and are tremendously unified, which gives them great political power,” said Mr. Trump’s spokesman, Jason Miller. “And this year, they will be voting in record numbers, and it won’t be for Hillary Clinton, it will be for Donald Trump.”

Godwin is dead, long live Godwin. Liberal Crime Squad, you were supposed to be a joke, not historically accurate.
@JoeB
Even with that anyone who gives anti vaxxers anything but outright rejection does not deserve my vote.

JoeB
JoeB
4 years ago

On the bright side

Nate Silver
All of this is irrelevant until Trump improves his national standing, which is miserable. Kansas is closer than Pennsylvania right now.

For those unfamiliar with US politics, that’s not just bad for a republican candidate that’s looking at a historically bad defeat bad.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@JoeB
Not all Holocaust deniers say it didn’t happen. They obfuscate about numbers or methods. They placate deniers’ rhetoric. Same diff as far as I’m concerned. Whatever Stein thinks of vaccines, walks and talks like an activaxer…

Re: Trump and Amendment II
https://storify.com/5thCircAppeals/on-trump-just-joking
Give this a read. Tweetstorm about how ‘just joking’ isn’t a defense, least of all when encouraging armed insurrection

Lastly, I’d like to note that, according to 538s ‘polls only model’, Georgia and Arizona are both in play. Barely, but they are. Do with that as you will

John Howard
John Howard
4 years ago

Hillary wants to cut off my wee-wee!

ColeYote
ColeYote
4 years ago

Why do these people seem to think Donald Trump is a pacifist? If Clinton is elected, she might get involved in an idiotic war. If Donald Trump is elected, it’s a question of how many, not if.

“In gender terms, Obama is a lower level feminist,” HQR3 argues, “whereas Clinton is one of the feminist queen bees.”

You… really don’t get feminism.

ramen
ramen
4 years ago

Gaslighting is the new spinning. Spin is deceptive, of course, but in a euphemistic, silver-lining kind of way. (Or maybe it just looks that way, now that it’s old-fashioned.) Now it’s just, “He didn’t say that, stop making shit up,” when the fucking video is RIGHT THERE.

“She wants to take away your guns, folks! Nothing you can do! Or maybe there is, if you have a gun.”

RIGHT FUCKING THERE, CNN.

Sorry, what was the OP?

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
4 years ago

Good grief. I just checked the 538 site. Arizona and Georgia! are now in play. I know these numbers will jump around a bit before we get to November, but this is staggering to me – at least from my previous election watching.

(It may be just me, but I lurve the snakey graphic you get to when scrolling down the page a bit. )

As for these guys, bleating about Hillary and university degrees for women. Did they listen to her speech? Or, heav’n forfend, read her policy statements. She’s advocating for more qualifications that aren’t 4 year degrees. Good trade qualified people earn more money in many cases than people with 4 year degrees.

authorialAlchemy
authorialAlchemy
4 years ago

So they complain that not enough women are food ar STEM, but giving them an opportunity to help them become great at it is gynecentric?

Ooglyboggles
4 years ago

@Axe
IT’S JUST A PRANK BRO.
@authorialAlchemy
Bootstraps lazy yadda yadda.

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
4 years ago

@authorialAlchemy

Everything that isn’t 100% to do with white hetero males is gynocentric.
If in a group situation women speak 3 times and men speak 9 times, men estimate women spent about 50% or most of the time talking.

This thinking intensifies the closer you get to a manosphere space. There a woman existing at all is gynocentric.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

So, related note: I was drug out of the house (and out of a well-deserved nap) by my uncle, who wanted me to go make a food run with him. So, he sees someone at the place that he knows, and this guy mentions he got audited by the IRS for over 600 dollars in non-money charity donations, and my uncle jokes about the reason why he got called in was because he wasn’t a politician.

So, this guy starts going off about how he’s trying to get rid of politicians and how he’s a libertarian, and he says he’s going to stop giving a shit about voting if libertarians don’t make any changes this election cycle because “people are too stupid to save themselves”, and he mentions to my uncle he should vote for the libertarian candidate, and I’m sitting there biting my tongue, because I already hate being out in public, I don’t want to have to deal with this on top of this.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Trump is just the worst. The right are so hypocritical. They freak out about a friend of Obama’s saying “God damn America” years ago but it’s perfectly okay for their actual candidate – the current voice of their party – to very strongly imply that his fans should assassinate a Supreme Court justice? What the fuck!?

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

In a happier note, Nike is airing an ad during the Olympics starring Chris Mosier, the first trans man on a US men’s national and Olympic team

http://www.esquire.com/style/mens-fashion/news/a47461/nike-transgender-athlete-ad/

I linked to Esquire instead of some other site just to piss any lurking MRAs off. A popular men’s magazine is writing a positive story about a trans man and didn’t misgender him or refer to him as a woman living as a man or any other kind of bullshit. The manosphere/alt right may be loud but the world is slowly but surely progressing without and leaving them in the dust.

Kimstu
Kimstu
4 years ago

MRA kvetching about how “gynecentrism” is destroying society, even while male power and privilege remain securely entrenched and increasing female economic autonomy keeps on reducing the traditional burdens of maleness, always reminds me of what Anthony Trollope wrote about 19th-century British Conservatives complaining about Liberal reforms:

These people are ready to grumble at every boon conferred on them, and yet to enjoy every boon. They know, too, their privileges, and, after a fashion, understand their position. It is picturesque, and it pleases them. To have been always in the right and yet always on the losing side; always being ruined, always under persecution […] and yet never to lose anything, not even position or public esteem, is pleasant enough. A huge, living, daily increasing grievance that does one no palpable harm, is the happiest possession that a man can have.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Oogly
These people really are the grungy manifestation (puns) of the worst of the internet, aren’t they?

@mildlymagnificent
The snake is beautiful!

@Paradoxy

I’m sitting there biting my tongue, because I already hate being out in public, I don’t want to have to deal with this on top of this

Oof. That’s terrible. I also have a hard time saying in public what would more easily come out in private. Finish that nap if ya can 🙂

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
4 years ago

@PI

Oh gah, another shoutout of support from an anxiety-ridden non-fan of the public space. What I hate most though are family gatherings on my dads side. These people can be so wonderful, but always end up talking about really racist stuff and politics I just can’t agree with. Then I end up being that weird artist black sheep who just sits there with a fake Pepsodent smile.

occasional reader
occasional reader
4 years ago

Hello.

Trump has declared himself the “law and order candidate.”

That is remember me of Shin Megami Tensei.

The rest of the OP is the usual catchphrases. It is like Coue method, they are convincing themselves by repeating them again and again, trying to make the “a repeated lie becomes a truth” happen.

Have a nice day.

MissEB47
MissEB47
4 years ago

Leda Atomica

“Gynocentry is a word that needs to be burned.”

Agreed. Especially in this context. What the f’ing hell do any of those things have to do with ‘gynocentrism’?! You are absolutely right. Anything that isn’t 100% focused on them is ‘gynocentic’ in their eyes.

MissEB47
MissEB47
4 years ago

Also, I have decided to change my name a bit because of the hilarious conversation we had in the Ladies Night thread:

https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/07/29/mgtow-memeday-crushed-by-the-wheels-of-ladies-night/

I am now the Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist. 😊

MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
4 years ago

Ta da!! 😃

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