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Twitter “progressives” bombard Jen Kirkman with death threats after missing the point of a joke

Jen Kirkman on Drunk History
Jen Kirkman on Drunk History

So yesterday comedian Jen Kirkman posted a little joke on Twitter, as comedians are wont to do.

Jen Kirkman ✔ @JenKirkman I LIKE that Hillary has murdered a lot of people.

Before we look at what happened after she posted this Tweet (which has now been deleted), let me just say a couple of things about the Tweet itself.

Jen Kirkman does not actually “LIKE that Hillary has murdered a lot of people,” in part because she (Kirkman) does not LIKE murder and in part because she does not believe that Hillary has, in fact, murdered a lot of people.

The joke is a clear reference to the right-wing Clinton-haters who have been trying their best, for the last quarter century, to convince the world that Bill and Hillary have been secretly knocking off their political enemies, mob style, racking up a CLINTON BODY COUNT that is now said to number 48.

In other words, the joke is not actually a joke about murder. It s a joke about the right-wing idiots who think that Hillary goes around offing people like some pastel-pantsuited Tony Soprano.

[UPDATE 8/5 Kirkman herself made clear that’s what she meant in a Tweet today.]

Unfortunately, many of those who encountered Kirkman’s Tweet on Twitter — a large number of whom seem to be former Bernie Sanders supporters who’ve gone over the Green Party’s Jill Stein — have kind of missed the point just a little, misreading it as some sort of creepy celebration of drones murdering children in Afghanistan, or something.

And instead of stopping for a second to ask themselves, “wait, is this comedian lady who does those hilarious yet disarmingly earnest segments on Drunk History really mocking or even advocating the murder of children, why would she do that, that can’t be right” many of these people decided to advocate the murder of her.

Here are a small fraction of the Tweets sent to her.

Bacchus @thebacch Ain't no one buying your shit -- we're just hoping you meet the same fate as those dead children you're mocking. https://twitter.com/jenkirkman/status/761225738863292417 … 10:45 AM - 4 Aug 2016 Retweets 4 4 likes Follow Nick @jinkiescoob I LIKE that people have threatened to murder Jen Kirkman https://twitter.com/JenKirkman/status/760911124300570624 … 1:03 PM - 4 Aug 2016 Retweets 2 2 likes 3 Aug Jen Kirkman ✔ @JenKirkman I LIKE that Hillary has murdered a lot of people. Follow #ITSINOURHANDS @moonpyramid @JenKirkman Jen Kirkman thinks this is a funny fucking joke. Smug bitch, like most moron HRC elitists & paid trolls. 11:10 PM - 3 Aug 2016 Retweets likes Follow Victoria Chase @Victoriam_chase @PoliticsPeach @JenKirkman who is this ignorant bitch who need his/her ass kicked!! 7:45 PM - 3 Aug 2016 Retweets likes 3 Aug Jen Kirkman ✔ @JenKirkman I LIKE that Hillary has murdered a lot of people. Follow José Sáez-Peñalver @JSaezpenalver @JenKirkman Louis C.K. should have facefucked you that day, you whore. 6:32 AM - 4 Aug 2016 Retweets likes Follow the good posts guy @Lowenaffchen @JenKirkman you don't get to complain about your mentions after tweeting "murder is good". sorry 12:27 PM - 4 Aug 2016 8 8 Retweets 67 67 likes 3 Aug Jen Kirkman ✔ @JenKirkman I LIKE that Hillary has murdered a lot of people. Follow Juan C. Rodriguez @MrRodriguez89 @JenKirkman you're a massive idiot and deserve whatever harassment you get. Fuck you ya piece of shit!

After Kirkman noted that she would be handing the operation of her Twitter account to someone else because she was tired of reading all the death threats, some of her Twitter, er, critics, did little victory dances of sorts.

midnight velvet @JoshJDee ? @JenKirkman pic.twitter.com/KSfId3448D 1:54 PM - 4 Aug 2016 View image on Twitter Retweets likes Follow haram bae @lastlivingrose aw damn, just missed ya! anyway i wholeheartedly agree with everyone who said you deserved to be murdered next https://twitter.com/JenKirkman/status/761261881042481152 … 1:11 PM - 4 Aug 2016 3 3 Retweets 13 13 likes 3h Jen Kirkman ✔ @JenKirkman pic.twitter.com/DRV3PT7Sli Follow Professor Pikachu @crystalproteins @JenKirkman see ya cunt 1:04 PM - 4 Aug 2016 Retweets 10 10 likes 3h Jen Kirkman ✔ @JenKirkman pic.twitter.com/DRV3PT7Sli Follow soft money @LazyVodkaVideo @JenKirkman this is funnier than any joke you've ever written. 1:44 PM - 4 Aug 2016

And yes, that last dude is using a photo of a young Josef Stalin as his avatar. You know, the Russian dictator whose actual non-fictional not-a-joke STALIN BODY COUNT added up to something close to 20 million.

Someone even took the anti-Kirkman struggle to Wikipedia.

https://twitter.com/lastlivingrose/status/761283232260362240

The people bombarding Kirkman with threats and abuse aren’t Trump fans. They aren’t Trump fans pretending to be BernieBros. If you don’t believe me, go look at the accounts of the people whose Tweets I quoted above, or go directly to @JenKirkman’s mentions now, where you can find hundreds if not thousands more Tweets like this.

These are people who, in many instances, consider themselves progressives, radicals, anarchists, “revolutionaries.” These are, in more than a few cases, proud supporters of Jill Stein, a woman whose presence in the race makes it all that much harder to defeat the unhinged Muslim-hating racist Donald Trump. That strikes me as something of an irony.

In Milan Kundera’s The Joke, set in Communist Czechoslovakia in the 1950s, a young Czech intellectual and Communist Party member is tossed from the party and sent to work in the mines after he jokingly writes “long live Trotsky” on a postcard.

These days, we’ve got Twitter for that.

NOTE 8/5: Just a reminder for new commenters: defending or excusing harassment is against the comment policy here. I’ve been lax on bans in this thread so far but that’s over now.

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nparker
nparker
4 years ago

If these people aren’t banned, I hate Twitter and believe it should never have existed.

These people are not progressives (of course, we all know that) and never will be when they have so much hatred and sickness in their hearts.

DrHoveiny
DrHoveiny
4 years ago

Aw shitballs, I love Jen Kirkman. She does a great job of exposing creepy misogynists who ask her out on her accounts. She already had Bernie Bros threatening violence at a theater in Vermont recently. The joke was actually pretty funny too. I feel like that isn’t always the case with situations like this (ie the South Africa AIDS woman).

Rhuu
Rhuu
4 years ago

Okay, this tweet is baffling to me:

https://twitter.com/timothycraigon2/status/761318989201043456

Because A&C games is in Canada. Like, you don’t have a horse in this fight, guys. Also, now I can’t show at A&C games anymore. Dammit! They are right next to a board game cafe and everything!

Why are you guys so terrible????

I seriously don’t understand what just happened here.

Rhuu
Rhuu
4 years ago

Also I emailed the store. 6___9 We’ll see what type of response I get, I typically don’t engage because I’m afraid of the potential responses….

Tragedy of the Commas
Tragedy of the Commas
4 years ago

Progressives can be sexist. Let’s dispel this notion that believing in a leftist ideology means you’re automatically not an asshole.

I remember, several years ago, a college acquaintance getting called out on this on Facebook. He was ranting about the chauvinism of frat guys. Then a woman came in to the thread to point out that, frankly, even some progressive men can be downright sexist and entitled. His response? He said, yes, it’s true that some progressive communities can have problems with drug use and unsafe sex and are, therefore, problematic too. Not even joking, that was his deflection. He’d rather state that some progressives are junkies who don’t use condoms, than admit that people of his political persuasion can be shitty to women, too.

It’s like a male geek claiming he can’t be a bully because he’s not a jock.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Ok Stein voters, tell us again about how much you fear violence from Clinton supporters and how mean they are.

Kate
Kate
4 years ago

There is a lot more to this. She’s deleted quite a few tweets.

Context matters. A lot.

The initial tweet may have been an attempt at a “joke”, but subsequent tweets were quite distasteful.

She does not deserve to be harassed, and I hope the people harassing her are banned permanently, but a lot of what she said is indefensible.

ThatsUnpossible
ThatsUnpossible
4 years ago

This is leaving out an enormous amount of context, some of which was particularly racially charged. Kirkman clearly saw and knew that the tweet was calling into question Clinton’s foreign policy in regards to drone strikes and her responses including one that implied she could joke about the innocent victims of drone strikes because, “I’m not gonna talk to a corpse,” were genuinely worthy of criticism. Many people tweeted her, asking whether this joke made their family members, their countrymen and fellow Muslims lives were just a source for a tossed off joke for Kirkman. She dismissed them as “BernieBros” at best and misogynists at worse.

Those calling for death or invoking sexual violence in threats were out of line. Those acknowledging the racism, nationalism and lust for violence, purposeful or inadvertent, in her tweets, were not. Additionally, claiming some political motive in those questioning Kirkman’s tweets is out of line. Last I checked, caring for innocent victims of US missile strikes wasn’t a partisan platform; it was basic, human decency.

Sir Prize
Sir Prize
4 years ago

More than once this election cycle I’ve gone down a twitter rabbit hole and ended up on a Bernie supporter/leftist’s twitter page that was more or less indistinguishable from a g***g*****’s.

It’s extra disheartening because I agree with Bernie, and presumably these people, on the majority of issues. In the big picture

I hope this infighting (cause duh there are also bad Clinton supporters) is just a blip.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
4 years ago

@Rhuu:
That link redirects to ‘this account is suspended’ now.

jeremy
jeremy
4 years ago

The threats and misogyny here are real and bad. But I have to disagree that the joke was “a clear reference to the right-wing Clinton-haters…”

We really are at a point now where American “liberals” (or at least people extremely invested in being seen as liberal) routinely give full-throated support to elective US military adventures in an effort to seem as strong as Republicans, or “serious,” or whatever. A Clinton supporter being proud of their candidate being a foreign policy hawk or being “tough on terror” or whatever is really not that weird, and pretty common if you pay attention to this stuff on Twitter.

Given Kirkman’s late performative timeline beefing with anybody even one notch to her left on these issues, her description of concerns about drone warfare as “obsessed with purity” (in a now-deleted tweet), etc. I think the way this joke was going to be taken should have been 100% predictable. Of course, again, it doesn’t justify threats and misogynist slurs, but I think that to a lot of people, the context around the joke is a little different than the description here.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
4 years ago

@Rhuu:
And for board game cafes, there’s always Snakes and Lattes (Annex) over on Bloor just west of Markham in Mirvish Village.

joekster-bearded beta
joekster-bearded beta
4 years ago

Again, lack of accountability on the internet leads to people saying horrible things on the internet. This crosses party lines, ideological lines, racial lines, gender lines, any lines you can think of.

I still have no idea how to fix it, while preserving the internet as a platform for resisting state oppression when needed.

Loquora
Loquora
4 years ago

@Tragedy of the Commas:

Agreed. Having a political ideology doesn’t mean you automatically have certain features common to others with that ideology. I’m sure there are some hard right Republicans who aren’t religious at all.

But it is painful when one of the core principles of your ideology (that all people deserve respect) is so easily stepped on and violated by people who claim to be firm believers. Adding insult to injury, I would hazard many of those same people would be quick to judge those of us who aren’t backing Jill Stein to not be progressives also.

DarkStatistic
DarkStatistic
4 years ago

Why do so many people (Tweeters in particular) go from zero to death threat as a matter of course? There’s a lot of daylight — and a lot of responses — between apathy and threats.

Rhuu
Rhuu
4 years ago

Wonderful news, those two jackasses were not associated with the store at all! Hooray, no quandries about giving them my money!

I assume that’s why that twitter account got suspended, since i legit thought they worked there. Nice to see that some people get suspensions quickly?

@Jenora: you are right! I love both of them so much. It was the convenience i was sad to lose, haha.

repentantphonebooth
repentantphonebooth
4 years ago

@ kate- I was watching her tweet when she said that joke. She was being bombarded and she snapped a little. it was all meant ironically, and it was directed at people who were saying they wanted to punch her in the face and that she should kill herself. so yeah, it got heated.

cabezoney
cabezoney
4 years ago

Lol. This is fucking idiotic and totally missing the point. I don’t support death threats, but the vast majority of the critical tweets in response to her “joke” were not threatening.

And, as was pointed out above, she’s deleted subsequent tweets that were far more offensive. She’s a twitter coward and deletes anything that gets owned or makes her look bad. She came off as a self-serving narcissist and sociopath, and now she’s cleaned up her TL and scurried away.

Her whole “edgy” shtick is lame and hacky. She’s a shitty comic, and mostly for the weak minded who like easy bullshit that makes them feel controversial. There are about 50,000 randos on Twitter far funnier than Jen Kirkman.

dslucia
dslucia
4 years ago

If these people aren’t banned, I hate Twitter and believe it should never have existed.

Given the number of times that something like this has happened, I’m pretty comfortable with believing Twitter never should have existed anyway.

It provides a great outlet for people to post whatever they’re thinking, whenever they’re thinking it, and then allows a whole bunch of other people to never let them forget it.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

We really are at a point now where American “liberals” (or at least people extremely invested in being seen as liberal) routinely give full-throated support to elective US military adventures in an effort to seem as strong as Republicans, or “serious,” or whatever. A Clinton supporter being proud of their candidate being a foreign policy hawk or being “tough on terror” or whatever is really not that weird, and pretty common if you pay attention to this stuff on Twitter.

Do we really have to have condescending bullshit about Americans never being true liberals on two separate threads?

Don’t mistake Democratic politicians/pundits for American liberals and don’t assume that all Democratic voters identify as liberal. Some consider themselves moderates. It’s a big tent party and you’re going to get a variety of opinions.

Dualhammers
Dualhammers
4 years ago

two things.

None of what was said to her is acceptable – it was a hate mob plain and simple

If a website needs to explain your joke in depth to avoid people finding it deeply troubling and upsetting maybe it’s just a bad joke and not a fight for freedom?

TedfromAccounting
TedfromAccounting
4 years ago

There needs to be a term to describe these so called “progressives” that seem to have zero problems harassing women online in the name of “leftism”.

I don’t think “brogressive” does it enough justice.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

@wwth

I have never on this thread or any other made the claim that Americans cannot be true liberals. Your liberals are just as much liberals as our liberals are. The point I made was that liberals, of any flavour be they British, American or other are ‘fiscal conservatives’ who put the interests of the moneyed few above the masses, and are not truly Left Wing, left wing being defined as Socialist. Hillary, Obama, Blair, Clegg, whoever are not really left wing. They support mostly conservative financial matters and as mentioned in your quote military misadventures, which makes them little different to the Republicans. Where they are ‘liberal’ is on matters of social justice (within the confines of a capitalist system) and personal liberties. The closest you got to a Socialist was Sanders, the closest we have is currently Corbyn.
Socialism would mean in practice a complete reform of the current political system, which may not be achievable through anything but revolution. Seeing the state both our countries are in, this is looking more and more likely.

leftwingfox
leftwingfox
4 years ago

Virgin Mary; that’s a great definition for the purposes for maintaining ideological purity. Complete bollocks for actually describing existing politics in any meaningful way.

mywall
mywall
4 years ago

If knowing context about a random conspiracy theorist group is needed for the joke to work, maybe it would be a good idea to mention it in the joke? The other possible context, that Clinton isn’t shy about having militants kill foreign people, seems like a pretty obvious way to read the words that were written there.

The Nameless
The Nameless
4 years ago

Y’know…even if she was being serious? Threats of violence, death, and rape are not okay.

That shouldn’t be something that needs to be said, and yet we all have to say it over and over while people act all petulant about their rights to speech. It’s like lecturing the most hardcore, evil kindergarteners ever.

Kate
Kate
4 years ago

@repentantphonebooth

The original tweet was in poor taste. Some of what she said was awful. She is not blameless. She deserved no harassment for it, but she should have been called out and she bloody-well should have apologized for such an awful joke.

I’ll say it again for the cheap seats:

I hope everyone who harassed her is permanently kicked off twitter.

She owes a lot of apologies.

Not all the tweets at her were death threats or any kind of threat and she still responded abysmally.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

@leftwingfox

Describing existing politics is a meaningful way is impossible because it is complete bollocks! Some ideological purity would do some good, cause all we’ve got left is hogwash and a corned beef hash.
Maybe if the parties actually knew what they stood for that might be a start, as they say, if you stand for nothing, you’ll fall for anything!! 🙂

Anthony
Anthony
4 years ago

@virgin mary
Just defining everyone who isn’t a tankie as a conservative/libertarian seems like a pretty miserable way to go through life let alone try to make the world a better place. I mean you’re basically saying all but like 2% of the population is evil, what’s even the point in trying once you do that?

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
4 years ago

@Virgin Mary

As a fellow Brit, thank you so much for explaining all of the terms both to us and to friends across the pond, by which I mean conservative, liberal, socialist and many others.

Could you now explain what any of that has to do with how people actually feel and how people should actually vote? I identify as both liberal and socialist, but the labels don’t tell me how to vote. I listen to peoples’ positions on actual issues, regardless of labels, and then support or oppose on that basis. So I could do without your “helpful” analysis on how people fit, pre or post 1956 communist analysis.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Yikes at all the “she doesn’t deserve harassment and threats but…” posts.

If even the fucking progressive movement turns into gamergate what force of good is even left in this world 🙁

dslucia
dslucia
4 years ago

@WWTH:

Honestly, without the context provided by David I wouldn’t really know how to take that joke tweet if I just saw it.

I don’t know who Jen Kirkman is (which perhaps also shows how little I pay attention to local goings-on since she’s apparently currently in Vermont), and I’m young enough and don’t pay enough attention to political rhetoric to understand a reference to a conspiracy about the Clintons.

EDIT: But much like with GribbleGrape’s “enemies”, I’d wait to hear more or look up more myself rather than immediately assuming she’s an awful human being who wants to kill millions of people.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

Hey, brand new assholes! Quit victim blaming. Just quit it, huh?

@Mary

left wing being defined as Socialist. Hillary, Obama, Blair, Clegg, whoever are not really left wing

Defined by you. That’s the problem. When most (knowledgeable) Muricans say ‘left wing’ we don’t mean it as a strict synonym for socialist. Is it cos Muricans are just all wrong somehow? Or, perhaps, is it necessary to deal with the cultural context in which a word is used? And, if you can do that without being a pretentious ass about it (responding with “Are you joking?” in the last thread or calling our politics “complete bollocks” cos our vocabular confuses you), that’d be nice too

A Marxist
A Marxist
4 years ago

The reason why people went after Jen Kirkman is because her mentality contributes to the normalization of the imperialist tendencies of Hillary Clinton. Her “joke” is about as funny as a R*pe joke. Why is this? Because Hillary has contributed to the deaths of many people of color all around the world, from Honduras to Libya.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

A Marxist,

How are death threats lobbed at a comedian going to solve imperialism (which btw has been normalized for centuries, unfortunately)?

Even if you set aside the morality of threatening violence and using misogynistic insults, this is an own goal. It doesn’t make the left look good when we act just like right wingers.

Now, kindly fuck off!

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Honestly, the more virulent misogyny Hillary Clinton and the women who support her on the receiving end of, the more I’m pushed from a reluctant to enthusiastic supporter of hers. So yeah, own goal.

epitome of incomprehensibility

A bit OT, but social-media related (TW for police violence): Korryn Gaines, a young black woman, was shot to death by police on Monday in Baltimore. Before the actual shooting, she was recording her conflict with police and posting it live to Facebook. Later, apparently at the police’s request, Facebook deleted the video.

There’s a Sum of Us petition asking to know why FB took the video down (basically criticizing it for covering up police violence, I think, but phrasing things in a more subdued way). Sure, demanding a statement isn’t the same as making everything good again, but at least it’s holding FB accountable.

What they’re asking: “Demand Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg clarify his company’s position in deactivating accounts and video at the request of the police, and commit to do more to protect people like Korryn Gaines and her son.”

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@Marxist

The reason why people went after Jen Kirkman is because her mentality contributes to the normalization of the imperialist tendencies of Hillary Clinton. Her “joke” is about as funny as a R*pe joke. Why is this? Because Hillary has contributed to the deaths of many people of color all around the world, from Honduras to Libya

The reason I’m going after you is because your mentality contributes to the normalization of misogynistic, online harassment campaigns. Your ‘explanation’ is about as useful as asking what a r*ape survivor did to make their attacker angry. Why is this? Because you have contributed to a culture of ‘good victim, bad victim’ that denies justice to many, including people of color, both here and abroad

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

@leftwingfox

Virgin Mary; that’s a great definition for the purposes for maintaining ideological purity. Complete bollocks for actually describing existing politics in any meaningful way.

Thank you. I was having a hard time putting my finger on exactly what was bothering me about irritating-ass conversation, and you have identified it exactly.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

The reason I’m going after you is because your mentality contributes to the normalization of misogynistic, online harassment campaigns. Your ‘explanation’ is about as useful as asking what a r*ape survivor did to make their attacker angry. Why is this? Because you have contributed to a culture of ‘good victim, bad victim’ that denies justice to many, including people of color, both here and abroad

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Lea
Lea
4 years ago

If you see a woman being threatened with death until she is chased off of social media (which is part of her career) for a joke she tweeted and you decide that you need to remark on how horrible she is for not being more clear in her meaning, you’re an asshole. STFU.

cabezoney
cabezoney
4 years ago

The reason I’m going after you is because your mentality contributes to the normalization of misogynistic, online harassment campaigns. Your ‘explanation’ is about as useful as asking what a r*ape survivor did to make their attacker angry. Why is this? Because you have contributed to a culture of ‘good victim, bad victim’ that denies justice to many, including people of color, both here and abroad

Aside from any rape or death threats, which are vile and stupid, Jen deserved much of what she got. You probably didn’t actually see the following tweets of her essentially ridiculing people who very likely had friends and family die from violence Hillary is responsible for, or at least had second or third hand experience. It was despicable, and she deserved all the verbal harassment she received for that.

Jen Kirkman is not some delicate flower. She regularly says horribly offensive shit she apparently thinks is funny. If she gets it back when people feel she truly crossed the line, so be it. If she can’t deal, maybe she should delete her account.

Again, this does not include any actual threats, which should never be tolerated. But please, take the time to separate the two, or you’re completely intellectually dishonest and your opinion is meaningless.

Maybe for many of you Hillary’s war mongering is something to laugh about, or dismiss, or euphemize as “hawkish” or whatever other bullshit distraction you can come up with. But for many people, especially people of color who know what a right wing coup in Honduras or the bombing of Libya means in a very real and bloody way, it is not. It means death and torture and families destroyed, and it’s anything but a joke.

I personally find it sickening how easily privileged white liberals are able to ignore Hillary’s war mongering, friendship with Kissinger, and past record of sociopathy so easily while still calling themselves “progressive”. She may be preferable to Trump, but that’s as low a bar as I can imagine. Take an honest look at her record, if you can. The second most sickening thing is how easy it is for some people to label her critics misogynist and dismiss them.

Most notably, take a look at Jen’s current TL and you’ll see she’s never once expressed a moment of regret or introspection. It’s still all about her playing the victim and people not getting the joke.

That’s the behavior of a narcissist, folks. Plain and simple.

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

Jen Kirkman is not some delicate flower.

So only sweet, delicate women deserve to be protected from misogynistic harassment. I’ll write that one down.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

You know, if women get called cunt and whore and get death threats and harassment for stepping out of line in leftist movements, one can only conclude that those movements aren’t safe for women. That we aren’t welcome. How the fucking hell is any kind of progressive movement going to have any kind of impact if you chase half the damn population away?

ms_xeno
ms_xeno
4 years ago

You’re really going to use this pile of crap JK stepped into of her own accord to get in a slam at Jill Stein– not-so-subtly trying to link up U.S. Greens (many of us who are, y’know, feminists) with misogynist males??

Gosh, that’s super-duper feminist of you, Dave.

I’ve seen this all too often from people who said they supported feminists, when really all they support are those feminists who happen to vote Democrat. I guess I hoped you’d be different. My mistake.

No, don’t get up. I’ll just show myself out. JFC. >:

Grogepi
Grogepi
4 years ago

I’m going to have to insist on taking issue with some conclusions here David.

“wait, is this comedian lady who does those hilarious yet disarmingly earnest segments on Drunk History really mocking or even advocating the murder of children, why would she do that, that can’t be right”

While the people in question certainly could’ve thought about that (and they don’t seem that bright), there are actually people who defend imperialistic belligerence on the international scene, in very barbaric ways.

People do actually advocate for the death of children. Subtly and in coded language (mostly). But it happens.
Further, it’s not strange at all to see the most odious of conservative behaviour among American lefties, while there’s infighting.

For example: If I were to suggest that Clinton deserves equal amounts of credit and responsibility for the deaths of Osama bin Laden and Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, I’d expect someone to approach me with some kind of nonsense excuse for why it only counts when the people getting killed are somewhat justifiable targets.

So, yeah.

ms_xeno
ms_xeno
4 years ago

>:

Thank you for your eloquent words, cabezoney. I’m so pissed off right now that I can’t even see straight. So I’m glad somebody said them. >:

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

And I find it hilarious that people imply that voting for Hillary Clinton is racist when 91% of black voters and 69% of all non-white voters back her.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/nbc-wsj-poll-clinton-jumps-nine-point-lead-over-trump-n623131

I’m really hoping that this is all some sort of more convincing than usual 4 chan troll job because they’re all using the same Honduras and Libya talking point. But idk.

Either way, it’s pretty gross and dare I say, white privileged to tell people of color that they’re voting the wrong way for people of color which is what the trolls we’re doing are kind of implying by saying that supporting Hillary Clinton = pro death to people of color.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@cabezoney

I personally find it sickening how easily privileged white liberals are able to ignore Hillary’s war mongering, friendship with Kissinger, and past record of sociopathy so easily while still calling themselves “progressive”

Since you’re responding to me, you should probably know that I’m not, in fact, white. Never have been, turns out. And we’re not electing Kissinger, so bringing him up is like when O’Reilly spent the whole 08 election cycle talking about Rev. Wright as if that mattered. Also, just a note, ableism ain’t OK here. So we have condescention, victim blaming, low level misogyny (delicate flower, my ass), and diagnosing to top it all off. Ban? If for nothing else than to thin the troll/sealion herd

@WWTH
Now, being a bit of a narcissist like Ms Kirkman (apparently), I kinda can’t resist:
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weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

You’re really going to use this pile of crap JK stepped into of her own accord to get in a slam at Jill Stein– not-so-subtly trying to link up U.S. Greens (many of us who are, y’know, feminists) with misogynist males??

I’ve voted Green Party before. Not for president, but for other offices. I probably never will again because all I’m seeing this cycle is excuses for the misogyny on display amongst some of the Bernie Sanders turned Jill Stein supporters.

No matter how you feel about the target of bigotry, bigotry is not okay. Progressives should know this. Feminism among the opposition of other bigotries is part of why I’m a progressive in the first place. For all the Democratic party’s flaws, I’ve never felt unwelcome or threatened at any party function or campaign of theirs because of my gender. I can’t say the same of the Green party right now. Get your shit together.

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