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Scott Adams: The DNC is literally lowering men’s testosterone levels and making them sad

Alicia Keys, destroying the men of America with her diabolical music
Alicia Keys, destroying the men of America with her Hoop Earrings of Great Misandry

Welcome to today’s episode of “wait, did Scott Adams really say that, Scott Adams the Dilbert guy, really?”

And the answer to that question is, as always, “yes, yes he did say that.”

In a post on his blog yesterday, Adams continued his evolution into a living Men’s Rights subreddit comment by lamenting what he sees as the MAN-DESTROYING MISANDRY of the Democratic party.

“On the surface, the convention is going great,” Adams wrote.

Michelle Obama made a speech for the ages. Bill Clinton was his masterful self. Bernie gave a full-throated endorsement of Clinton. The whole affair has been a festival of inclusiveness. The media is eating it like cake. All good, right?

Not so fast! Because beneath the sunny surface of the DNC lurks the testosterone-destroying monster that is the inadequate appreciation of dudes! 

[I]f you’re an undecided voter, and male, you’re seeing … a celebration that your role in society is permanently diminished.

Adams followed this with, well, tell me if this line of thought sounds vaguely familiar to you:

And it’s happening in an impressive venue that was, in all likelihood, designed and built mostly by men. Men get to watch it all at home, in homes designed and built mostly by men, thanks to the technology that was designed and built mostly by men.

WE BUILT THE WELLS FARGO CENTER TO … er … seat you?

I mention that as context, not opinion.

Ok then.

To Adams, the most diabolically anti-male portion of the DNC so far has been … Alicia Keys.

I watched singer Alicia Keys perform her song Superwoman at the convention and experienced a sinking feeling. I’m fairly certain my testosterone levels dropped as I watched, and that’s not even a little bit of an exaggeration.

And he’s not making a joke here. He literally thinks his testosterone level dropped while he listened to Alicia Keys sing this:

Even when I’m a mess
I still put on a vest
With an S on my chest
Oh yes
I’m a Superwoman

Adams continues:

Science says men’s testosterone levels rise when they experience victory, and drop when they experience the opposite. I watched Keys tell the world that women are the answer to our problems. True or not, men were probably not feeling successful and victorious during her act.

Just how fragile does Adams think the male ego is, anyway?

Let me say this again, so you know I’m not kidding. Based on what I know about the human body, and the way our thoughts regulate our hormones, the Democratic National Convention is probably lowering testosterone levels all over the country. Literally, not figuratively.

Well, at least he’s using “literally” correctly.

Naturally, Adams thinks this will lead to the election of REAL MAN Donald Trump.

And since testosterone is a feel-good chemical for men, I think the Democratic convention is making men feel less happy. They might not know why they feel less happy, but they will start to associate the low feeling with whatever they are looking at when it happens, i.e. Clinton.

Wait, wouldn’t they associate it with Alicia Keys? I’m a little confused.

On an emotional level – where hormones rule – men have left the building…that they built.

Adams ended his post by reminding us all again of his fake “endorsement” of Hillary Clinton, whom, he explained, he fake-endorsed

for my personal safety, because I live in California where it is dangerous for people to think you are a Trump supporter. My political views don’t align with either candidate and I don’t vote, in order to protect my objectivity.

Yeah, I don’t think you quite understand how “objectivity” works, you human Men’s Rights subreddit comment.

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Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

What about the feel of estrogen in the brain? Male people and men use estrogen too. It’s actually hard to find info on what estrogen does for them cognitively and that suggests some bias issues. This is the best I have atm. I can’t find any news articles while I’m on break.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Also about testosterone and dominance~victory.

The way I visualize it is that it all depends on what you consider a victory. Are you a person working towards greater visibility of and respect for women’s issues? Enjoy your testosterone spike when you succeed in the face of social opposition.

You know those people that lose an argument online really badly and still rationalize it as a victory by reasoning or logic that makes no sense? Being an addict sucks.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
5 years ago

@Fishy Goat

I honestly think that’s the first time Adams has made anyone laugh in a very long time.

Peter Payne
5 years ago

Physiologically speaking, he may be on to something. Why bring him down just because you want to be a snarky blogger? One reason Trump is rising with some voters is that testosterone thing. Why do you think guns are so popular? People love the adrenalin, can’t live without it. Hillary is the smart choice, but she does make males feel negativity.

Nikki the Bluth Wannabe
Nikki the Bluth Wannabe
5 years ago

@Axecalibur
A+ reference to what’s probably one of Queen’s lesser-known hits! 🙂

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@Nikki
Ayy! My references do not go unnoticed

@Peter

Physiologically speaking, he may be on to something

No he isn’t

Why bring him down just because you want to be a snarky blogger?

Yep, that’s the reason. And…

One reason Trump is rising with some voters is that testosterone thing

[Citation needed]

Why do you think guns are so popular? People love the adrenalin, can’t live without it

Conflating adrenaline and testosterone…

Hillary is the smart choice, but she does make males feel negativity

Who the fuck is this “males” you’re talking about? And how the fuck do you know “males feel negativity” towards Clinton due to androgen deficiency? She has support from males in minority ethnic groups. Are they less influenced by testosterone shortages, or, since she’s the “smart choice”, are they just smarter than white guys. Basically, [citation needed] again

In conclusion: Get that bullshit outta here
http://24.media.tumblr.com/804493109f8fccc9adba5ebee63aa786/tumblr_mj35y5dNpS1qmkpzlo1_500.gif

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

Oh yes, the fragile male ego.

My mother explained this phenomenon to me when I was 16.

Baffled, I explained back that men’s egos weren’t at all fragile. What they were was overinflated.

EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@Peter:
Clinton makes males feel negativity? I must be male-ing wrong then, because what she makes me feel is happiness.

Do I need to hand in my Y chromosome?

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Peter Payne

One reason Trump is rising with some voters is that testosterone thing. Why do you think guns are so popular? People love the adrenalin, can’t live without it.

So if a woman shoots a gun, she gets a spike in her adrenaline?

Or is it testosterone?

Your logic is muddled.

Also, you assert that guns are linked with adrenaline, which people can’t live without. Hmm. I’m doing fine without either extra adrenaline or a gun. I can definitely live without them.

I’m not at all sure that you’re a medical scientist, although I think you think that you play one in the comments section.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

Poor, poor Scott Adams!

Won’t someone treat him like the baby he asserts he is?!

To babies everywhere: That was not a shot at you, I swear. When you cry and scream and demand attention, you’re still lovable. Not so for a grown-ass man.

Mish
Mish
5 years ago

@Kat – 😀 😀 😀

Also, the ‘Ads by Google’ in my sidebar are now all about low testosterone, testosterone supplements, replacements, etc. I can feel the anxiety and the sadness coming through the screen, I tells ya!

Mish
Mish
5 years ago

@Cat Mara –

Playboy: it brings out the inner douche in everyone

The way things are going, this may be their next advertising slogan.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Awww. Peter, like Scott has a sad that the Democratic party is not all about white men at all times.

http://veganfeministnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/dawson-leery-is-crying-male-tears.jpeg

Ghost Robot
Ghost Robot
5 years ago

I have a Dilbert omnibus and DVD set that I’m seriously considering giving away at this point. What an utter ass.

mmillennial
mmillennial
5 years ago

Science says men’s testosterone levels rise when they experience victory, and drop when they experience the opposite. I watched Keys tell the world that women are the answer to our problems. True or not, men were probably not feeling successful and victorious during her act.

Translation: I, Scott Adams, only feel successful and victorious when women are not empowered.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

Oh shit, Peter from J-list*/J-box is a freaking misogynist? Well, that’s another site I’m not spending my money on ever again.

*NSFW

joekster
joekster
5 years ago

So, scott adams and his supporters absolutely fail at understanding ‘correlation does not equal causation’. No surprise there.

The actual science regarding testosterone is quite complex (yeah, I know you’re all stunned that I’d say that. I think everything is complex, but in this case, it’s true). It is true that men have decreased testosterone levels with age, and also true that men lose muscle mass and overall strength with age. Also, ‘hypogonadism’ is a thing that endocrinologists do treat (in men) with testosterone supplements, although the practice is by no means universally accepted.

None of that supports what Adams is claiming, that ‘victory’ results in a short-term boost of testosterone, which then makes you feel good. I think it is quite possible that Adams is confusing ‘testosterone’ with ‘adrenaline’ (as the above poster did). Or, Adams is smart enough to realize that women have adrenaline too, but is too thick to realize that they have testosterone.

Just for fun, I did a title/abstract search on pubmed for ‘testosterone’ and ‘depression’. It pulled up over a thousand hits, but here are some studies that caught my eye (WARNING: MASSIVE WALL OF TEXT AHEAD):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27371769
This one is a secondary analysis of individuals in a diabetes trial demonstrating that while hormone replacement in diabetic men does raise hormone levels, it did not actually improve mood.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26615472
This one is a slightly older study confirming a correlation (see above re correlation and causation) between low testosterone and incidence of depression.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26488864
This one’s another observational study. This one was specifically of obese men, and did find a direct correlation between depressive symptoms and testosterone, and an inverse correlation between estrogen and depression (it is worth emphasizing that adipose tissue is one of the sites were androgen precursors are converted to estrogens, so obese individuals really do have higher estrogen levels. This is thought [but not proven] to play a role in predisposing to strokes, heart attacks, and other forms of cardiovascular disease, as estrogen is a pro-coagulant).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26372084
Conversely, this is an asian study indicating correlation between elevated testosterone levels and post-partum depression.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27441465
This right here is the top result, and I think it’s implications are intriguing. It addresses the apparent contradiction that people (both men and women) who are married with kids have both lower testosterone levels AND lower rates of depression. Fascinating, neh?

Oh, and for what it’s worth, a pubmed title/abstract search for ‘Estrogen’ and ‘Depression’ brings up about the same number of hits (just over a thousand), so there’s research out there on the impact of estrogens on mood as well.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@kupo
I suspected. Apparently, according to his Twitter, there’s a lot of male bodied people who identify as girls ‘going around these days’. The subsequent thread is the expected disaster. Get out while you still can, kupo!

@EJ
Yes. Yes, you must. By the power vested in me by the Council of Mayunly Males, I confiscate your chromosome and render ye, officially, a lioness. Now get up off your ass! Don’t you know that lionesses hunted the wildebeest for yoouuuuu!? MISOGYNY!!1!!

Amnesia
Amnesia
5 years ago

Baffled, I explained back that men’s egos weren’t at all fragile. What they were was overinflated.

Balloons filled with too much air pop easier. /pseudo proverb

Hey, everybody. Been getting into too many Facebook political arguments with people lately, felt like dropping by to read stuff resembling sense again. Only so many times

I see Scott Adams is up to his old tricks. Same old, same old.

Amnesia
Amnesia
5 years ago

*Only so many times I can take being the corporate sellout for thinking Hillary Clinton’s not Satan.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

@Axe
It’s funny, I just saw some cute Japanese pens on a website but hadn’t purchased through that site before, so I was thinking I should pop over to j-box this weekend and see what kind of kawaii stuff they’ve got. I’ll save my money for the Asian market near me. They’re like 5 miles out of my way, but I’d be supporting local business and not giving Peter any more of my money.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

@Amnesia

If you want to shut them up for a while, ask them to name three things Hillary’s done that aren’t:

1. A right-wing conspiracy theory that was debunked years ago.
2. Something Bill did, not Hillary.
3. Something she did 20+ years ago and has since apologised/atoned for.
4. Also true of every other politician, up to and including Bernie.*
5. “But… She’s a woman!”

It works as well as the usual “Name three non-misogynistic MRAs,” in that there is no answer, so a third of them will stop annoying you and the other two thirds’ll at least change the subject for a while.

*While voting records are obviously a legitimate reason to not like a politician, holding Hillary accountable but not hundreds of others is really hypocritical.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Actually, change #2 to “Something Bill or another person who isn’t Hillary did.” Forgot about the latest one, blaming Hillary for that idiotic dude in the email hack. Because she has fucking mind control powers now, apparently.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@kupo
I always just assumed an expat hawking ecchi stuff was gonna be at least a little shady…

@Amnesia

Only so many times I can take being the corporate sellout for thinking Hillary Clinton’s not Satan

Troof

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
5 years ago

I’m stuck at a Trump-majority bbq party. Sigh.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

@Petal
I hope they have alcohol and that it’s not piss-flavored beer like bud or miller.

Rob
Rob
5 years ago

He is talking about persuasion, nothing more. How did you miss that?

(((VioletBeauregarde))) Prominent Misanderer of The Gynocracy
(((VioletBeauregarde))) Prominent Misanderer of The Gynocracy
5 years ago

@Amnesia

Only so many times I can take being the corporate sellout for thinking Hillary Clinton’s not Satan
Troof

Troof seconded! I tend to feel the need to remind people that HRC is indeed human, not some eldritch horror coughed up from the depths.

Re: The newish name–I figured that my username needed a bit of an upgrade.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

@Rob
So testosterone is linked to persuasion? Citation needed.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

I think he meant to post on one of the old PUA/Roosh/date rape threads?

Either that or he’s a malfunctioning bot.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
5 years ago

@kupo

I’ve gone through one Guinness Blonde, two grapefruit shandys, two apple ginger ciders, two Smirnoff Ices, and I’m currently on my second Moscow Mule, with 1/2 cup of vodka and a full alcoholic ginger beer in each. Quite drunk, and guess what? Scott Adams still seems incredibly stupid, even in this state

Mish
Mish
5 years ago

@IP – is Fingie managing his Twitter account without you? Inquiring minds need to know.
Hope you survive the bbq with nothing worse than a mild hangover 🙂

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
5 years ago

@Mish

Fingie and his sister are currently in a cat hostel! They are a little confused with the whole thing, but I left a tablet with Fingie so he can keep tweeting while we’re away.

ColeYote
ColeYote
5 years ago

TL;DR

I miss the days when white men had all of the power instead of most of it.

In fact, that’s probably an accurate TL;DR for most of the manosphere.

PeeVee the Sarcastic
PeeVee the Sarcastic
5 years ago

@IP,

You post better drunk than I do sober…my drunk posting looks like this:

Dhigdg ydset ouurt6h rifuldoys gy55fycf kthfh. Xuhd kj skje igstuim ije.

And that’s with the one-eye-closed-to-focus.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@amnesia

Baffled, I explained back that men’s egos weren’t at all fragile. What they were was overinflated.

Balloons filled with too much air pop easier. /pseudo proverb

True. Very true.

But I’ve given more thought to this. What I realize is that although the patri-wisdom (as explained by women) is that male egos are fragile, I have never seen a broken male ego.

I’ve seen some men who appear to be broken, but it was the whole guy, not just his ego. And I’m pretty sure that (1) a “broken” man doesn’t break because a woman laid some reality therapy on him, and (2) a broken guy can — at least theoretically, and possibly with help — reassemble himself.

Summing up: My 16-year-old self was on the right track. (Sorry, Mom!) Men’s egos are not fragile. They are often overinflated.* But either way, their egos don’t break, no matter how much a guy might hint around that his ego could shatter if you keep saying mean, truthful, hitting-close-to-home things.

*#NotAllMaleEgosThankUVeryMuch

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@ColeYote

I miss the days when white men had all of the power instead of most of it.

Well put.

But having lived through it, I can tell you that even back in the day, men committed to the patriarchy complained about lacking complete power.

The patriarchy: Not getting the respect it deserves for as long as it’s been in existence (roughly 6,000 years).

Amnesia
Amnesia
5 years ago

@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs

My main problem is there’s a naval base nearby, so a lot of them work for the government and are all, “If we did that kind of e-mail thing, we’d lose our jobs or be in jail!” And keep saying how she’s so corrupt and dishonest and pandering, and seem Very Concerned that I don’t agree with them. And then there’s one guy who’s pretty much the stereotypical Bernie Bro ranting about ‘Killary.’

Then on top of that, most of them are firmly “Both parties are equally bad!” types (you know, so they don’t have to bother paying attention to what the parties are actually doing). Even getting them to concede that Hillary Clinton is actually more competent and a better person overall than DONALD FUCKING TRUMP is like pulling teeth. *sighs*

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

@Amnesia

I wish I could draw people, because it’d be a perfect comic:

“Do I vote for the sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, treasonous, incestuous, paedophilic, violent conman with ties to the Russian Mafia who’s been accused of embezzlement and multiple rapes… Or the, ugh, woman?”

Titled simply “BOTH SIDES ARE BAD.”

Ktoryx
Ktoryx
5 years ago

So sad to see that a man whose drawings occasionally made me exhale softly with understated mirth has become such a twisted wreckage of male insecurities.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
5 years ago

@SFHC:

I want to see that drawing very, very badly.

I was recently talking to a British friend who’s been travelling through the States. Because she’s quite interested in politics, she’s been asking questions in order to try to understand things. As she was on the eastern seaboard, she didn’t manage to meet a single (acknowledged) Republican. Anyhow, she was trying to get them to explain why people don’t like Hillary. Apparently the furthest she could push them was “we don’t trust her,” but no one could explain why not.

On the other hand, apparently at one of her tour stops one of the Americans called for a moment’s silence out of respect for the British present, to mourn for Brexit.

EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Off-topic but I found it hilarious, from a Death and Taxes article about a Howard Stern interview with Trump:

The perfect woman, according to Trump, neither defecates nor breaks wind, and Trump claims his then-girlfriend Melania, who’s now his wife, has never done either.”

Patricia Kayden
Patricia Kayden
5 years ago

I find Dilbert to be funny. Too bad it’s creator is such an a-hole. Sigh.

scarlettpipstrelle
scarlettpipstrelle
5 years ago

Yeah, I check out his site sometimes – he says some strange things.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
5 years ago

The whole time I was reading Adams’s sciencey rant, I was reminded of an old Cyanide & Happiness comic, the one that ends with “you don’t love science, you stare at its ass when it walks by”.

Welp, turns out I’m not the only one who appreciates metaphors involving obnoxious male behavior.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2016/07/31/stop-teabagging-science-scott-adams/

nparker
nparker
5 years ago

He’s at it again is he? What a pseudointellectual loser.

I really wish the creator of what is actually quite a funny comic wasn’t such a tool. Between him and Scott Baio, I’m so fed up of people I like the work of disappointing me so. I’m trying to seperate the work from the creator, but honestly it is so difficult.

banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
5 years ago

I’m still salty about George W Bush, but Hillary Clinton being the direct family member of a living president is the only complaint I can make about her.

maistrechat
5 years ago

Ohlmann:

Speaking of Lovecraft, have you read Houellebecq’s Contre le monde, contre la vie?

dollhouse scientist
dollhouse scientist
5 years ago

Scott Adams is a socially clumsy sociopath worshiping a socially capable sociopath.

In his wannabe fanboy excitement over Donald Trump’s amoral lying he’s completely forgotten that everyone else watching is horrified by amoral lying.

He wishes he was Trump and he’s living vicariously through his performance.

Which, you know, means he feels inadequate where he is and is trying to compensate. In that department he genuinely is on Trump’s page.

Hey, Scott – go back to sockpuppeting your real thinking through Dogbert before you make everyone on the planet hate you.