Hey, remember when Friday was meme-day here at We Hunted the Mammoth? We’ve missed a couple, mostly because of horrible things happening in the world, but we’re back!
Today, some of the weirdest pro-Trump and anti-Hillary memes I’ve run across lately. Most of these are from Reddit — in particular, from r/The_Donald and r/HillaryForPrison. Enjoy, I guess.
Now this last meme — which I’ve censored a little — isn’t really all that weird. It’s just kind of revealing, at least about the sort of people who sit around making anti-Hillary memes.
Yikes.
@ Space Garbage : the link the reporter made between depression and being a terrorist make me extremely queasy. One would need some actual data before I believe that, because for things like murder correlation I want solid data, not some kind of “common sense” or quaint folk wisdom.
Sadly, it’s a self-perpetuating myth. People think that depression make people serial killer. The reporter say it “fit the mold”, forgetting all the other case where it’s not the case and the fact it might not even be true. More people believe depression create serial killers. More reporters seek for depression sign, real or not. And everyone in the loop forget that depressive people are already much more likely to suicide themselves before people start to say to their face that they are a danger to society.
I have started to see people blame medicinal drugs. While I am truly terrified of the effect of anti-depressant, sleep pills and the like, and I don’t trust the drug makers, I trust their greed to not sell drugs who would cause a detectable uptick in violent murder.
Whelp, thanks for not listening to anything I had to say either, Gert. Way to actually listen for comprehension, and not to just respond.
You completely missed the point that I was trying to make, and instead went off about something that I didn’t even say, and instead continued on the conversation you were having with someone else, assuming that I’m apparently ignorant, instead of reading what I wrote.
Did I say that alt-righters didn’t hate all Jews? No, I did not, and it’s a massive fucking assumption on your part that I wasn’t aware of that (painfully obvious) fact.
What I ACTUALLY said was: When you use the word “Zionists” like you did, it’s a bit of a dog whistle to us that you’re not actually being sincere about being an “ally” and are very likely being a racist and trying to be fucking coy about it. I mentioned that you’re still new here and are already making a shit impression and you’re only making it worse by co-opting racist dog whistles.
I asked you to LISTEN to other people when they point out when you fuck up and why they pointed it out. I said in the previous thread that I understand how hard it is to be an ally and constantly have to unlearn behavior, and that sometimes, yes, it is hard to not take that shit personally. But that’s the most important part of being a fucking ally, Gert. Learning when you fuck up, how you fucked up, and how you can move forward without fucking up.
But, no, apparently I’m just stupid and here to be educated by you. Thanks. I totally asked for you to educate me. Because I’m apparently ignorant and obviously you know more about me about this subject. [/sarcasm]
So, here’s my conclusion, based on all of your past interactions here: You’re not here for a discussion. At all.
You’re apparently here to be snide and contrarian and try to prove you’re smarter than everyone else. You are apparently reading to type a response, not reading to comprehend, because you apparently don’t really give a shit what other people have to say.
So, I’m done. Fuck off back to whatever little corner you came from and keep trying to tell yourself you’re here to be an “ally” and you’re on “our side” while trying to shout over other people’s concerns in favor of getting to say what you want.
Because that’s obviously more important to you than what we have to say, and I’d rather you spend your time elsewhere instead of trying to waste your time shouting over everyone else here.
Since nobody here has referred to themselves as a Zionist, it’s not relevant to this discussion and I don’t know why you keep bringing it up. In any case, you don’t seem to know what a dogwhistle is. The whole purpose is to signal that you share a particular hatred while maintaining plausible deniability so you don’t come off as offensive.
Also, when I started typing “Zionist anti-Semitic dogwhistle” into Google “Zionist anti-Christ” was the first thing to fill in. Clearly that’s a pretty popular search term and would indicate that it’s a popular word with those who have anti-Semitic leanings. The word is covered in the Rational Wiki dogwhistle entry. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_politics
That’s all the homework I’m doing for you. You should do your own homework before you accuse other people of being clueless.
I haven’t seen anybody so easy to goad into a meltdown since the last time I re-read an old Pell thread. And it wasn’t even deliberate.
@PI:
‘Zionism’ isn’t an anti-Semitic dog whistle.
It’s the name of an oppressive, racist ideology that I oppose, as do many ‘anti-Zionist’ Jews.
Your suspicion of me being a racist is based on nothing at all. It’s also 110 % wrong.
As regards the word ‘ally’, I seriously regret having used it here.
There can be no alliance with people who are only interested in le mot juste, like you. Not to mention paranoiacs.
I’m not a troll nor is this the ‘good Gert’ show, as WWT claims I’d like it to be. SCFH definitely wanted to kick up some dust with that ‘Zionism = dogwhistle’ howler, and succeeded. Bravo!
I won’t be addressing you, SFCH or WWT again. Good night.
Meh. I’ve been scrolling thru Gert’s comments since that thread that Paradoxy mentioned.
Too Smart For the Room isn’t a good look…
@ gert
The word you used was Zionist.
But it’s a matter of context.
If we’d been discussing, say the history of the Balfour Declaration, then a reference to Zionists might be perfectly appropriate; even if it was critical.
However when the discussion is about anti-semitism, especially when you’re implying Jewish people are making false claims about its existence, a reference to “Zionist mouth breathers” is going to set off a few alarm bells.
And we have a flounce. Is this going to be a regular thing? Gert picks a fight, dramatically flounces once they start losing, and then shows up in a different thread acting like nothing happened. That gets old fast.
I see Gert’s doing that “You’re not even worth the dignity of spelling your name correctly” thing. In which case, two can play at that game.
@Git
I thought “Kicking up dust” meant starting a fight for the sake of starting a fight, not, y’know, calling out really obvious bigotry. If you don’t like it when people call out really obvious bigotry, then you’re on the wrong site; Reddit is thattaway. *points to the nearest toilet*
Yes it fucking is.
From the link WWTH gave you, under the header of Antisemitic dog whistles:
Maybe you should listen to people instead of insisting that you’re obviously smarter than others who can back up what they fucking say with facts.
The only things we have to go by on that are your word, and your words.
And your written words are speaking REALLY fucking loudly.
You’re defending the use of an antisemitic dog whistle.
But we’re supposed to believe you’re not fucking racist because you say so?
Good. Because you’re no fucking “ally” we would ever need.
No social justice movement worth its fucking salt should pay attention to an “ally” who can’t even be fucking bothered to consider the fact that they might be wrong, especially when provided with proof that they are.
There goes that ableism again. I wasn’t aware that Gert was my personal mental health professional and therefore could tell me exactly what’s going on inside my head.
We’re all just “paranoiacs” about racist fucks coming in here and trying to run roughshod all over the comments section.
(Of course, there could be an argument made for casual sexism here, as many of us are either women or perceived to be women, and this can be compared to accusations of “hysteria” whenever women talk about problems that are important to them. But I shouldn’t mention that to Gert, because then it’ll hurt his feelings and make him not want to be an ally anymore! And what a loss that would be for the feminist cause!)
Yup, it’s totally our problem, and not the problem of people who defend usage of antisemitic dog whistles and insists that no, u guis, it’s totally fine, because Gert says they’re not Antisemitic, and we should OBVIOUSLY just take his word for it!
As for mot juste, we’re providing proof that words and phrases you’re using (and defending the use thereof) have roots in racism and other bigotries. No one said you can’t use them outside of here, but the very fucking least you could do is listen when people point out those bigoted sources.
Part of being a good fucking ally, as I’ve said again and again is unlearning shitty behaviors, words, and beliefs. Of course, that has apparently proven to be too much for you to handle.
Feel free to come back when you’re feeling more like being an actually good ally than a shitty one who thinks they’re above reproach because they meet the bare minimum standards for basic human decency.
(Actually, WWTH called it the “Poor Gert” show.)
Again, you’re proving you’re not actually reading what any of us have to say, and again you’re martyring yourself because we asked you to not use a word that’s a dog whistle for antisemitism.
No, we’re all the bad guys here! We should feel bad for making Gert feel bad for using racist words or doing bigoted things! How very dare we! [/sarcasm]
Good riddance to bad rubbish who can’t be fucking bothered to get names right. (It’s SFHC and WWTH, by the way.)
Stick the flounce.
Ugh. For some reason, I thought someone else originally said Zionist, but it was Gert. Sorry about that.
Yeah, the purposely misspelling names thing is a definite troll red flag. It’s also a right winger red flag. They love to say things like “Democrat party.”
What I love is that Gert misspelling names implies the whole “Respect” dynamic.
Gert’s mad we’re not treating him with respect befitting an authority (because we’re not backing down from his insistence that he’s not racist and we’re providing proof and insisting he’s wrong), so he’s disrespecting WWTH and SFHC as people by not even bothering to spell your names’ acronyms right.
And he even misspelt WWTH twice, so I’m calling bullshit on “an accident”.
What a wonderful ally Gert turned out to be! [/sarcasm]
Sleep is bullshit! I missed all the fun… OK ‘fun’ is stretching it…
@Hambeast
Yo, I wish he was too smart. At least it’d be interesting. Scildfreja, as an example, is often too smart for the room (or is she just too smart for me?). Gert is exactly as smart as I am, it seems. He just refuses to learn from either his mistakes or other people’s words
Also, can we talk about how ‘le mot juste’ is just the French translation of ‘political correctness is gone mad ’round ‘ere. Can’t say naught no more. Can’t say fuck all’
Welp, it’s clear to me that the only thing that matters to Gert is Gert’s desire to use problematic language consequence-free. Gert also made it clear in the previous thread that he’ll only listen to David on this matter, which isn’t surprising since he thinks we’re all women and so of course David is the only authority. Gert, I regret having given you so many chances and having wasted time and energy trying to help you understand why problematic language is bad. You clearly don’t care about any harm your language does.
Off topic,
We just came back to our hotel from watching Harry Potter and the Cursed Child. Are there other mammotheers who have seen it? I thought it was pretty impressive. I’m fulfilling the #KeepTheSecrets pledge though. 🙂
Also, fuck off, Grett.
I don’t think he’s flouncing, he’s just refusing to speak to the horrible meanies. Next time he blows up, it will be through an intermediary.
Frankly, Grett, we don’t give a damn. 😉
“All I want to do is use my Superior Leftwing Brain to help the less fortunate, but how can I do that if they’re constantly getting in my way by telling me not to say things that harm them? My brilliance cannot be curtailed in this manner!”
@kupo
Just when you thought you was out… They pull you back in…
Have all the hugs from that other thread and some more, on me <3
Axe (is it okay if I call you Axe?) – I know, right? I am constantly humbled by the actual smart people here and love learning new things from cool folk! Gert isn’t putting forth anything worthwhile (I see enough of their ‘musings’ when those replying quote them; I find this very efficient in threads with sealion trolls) so I hope Gert can stick the flounce!
The thing I like best in jousting is the wonderful draft horses! I haven’t seen any of them get injured, thank dog! The only thing I can think of to minimize human injury is better armor, as in expertly fitted, foam filled composite plastics or some such. These people get forcibly punched off of large running horses on a regular basis; padded metal could be improved upon, yes?
And I’m aware that these guys have armorers to fit them; I’m just not that married to the whole authenticity thing, especially if it’s a competitive spectator sport.
Hey, can I have some help? I was looking for an article on whether as a gay femme i could objectify girls, but I ended up on a Roosh V article about “seducing lesbians” because I saw it and I seriously couldn’t stop myself.
Now I feel dirty and disgusting.
Still don’t have an answer to if I can objectify other girls, but I know I can do it to myself.
Any help not feeling like shit?
@Dove
I think anyone could objectify women. The thing that makes a difference between objectification and appreciation, as I understand it, is whether you’re reducing the woman / women in question to their bodies or body parts. Are you complimenting a woman on her fashion sense and how well put together she is or on how smokin’ she looks in that dress? That kind of thing. I’m sure others here know more than I, as I’m not anywhere near an expert.
@ hambeast
Medieval padded armour turns out to be surprisingly effective at protecting against impact injuries and blows. About the only way modern Kevlar type stuff out performs is that it’s lighter.*
Debilitating injuries from horse falls are usually associated with neck damage so perhaps that’s an area to look at?
* It’s funny how effective ‘old’ technologies can be (although maybe it shouldn’t be surprising; they had a vested interest in making it work after all)
There were some interesting experiments testing Goretex against Tweed in terms of protection from the elements and breathabilty and the like. Goretex wasn’t that much better (and I’d rather sacrifice the slight performance aspect for the elegance of tweed 🙂 )
@Dove: I’m going to second Kupo on this.
It is very possible for women (or feminine-presenting peeps) to objectify other women (or feminine-presenting peeps).
And, from my experience, it does come down to “am I thinking about her body, or about her as a person?”
Which sounds vague as fuck, I know, but Kupo’s example is great too.
Ugh, Dove, I am so sorry that your search brought you to that place, of all places.
Am I right in thinking that you’re asking 2 related questions? 1) Is it possible for wlw to objectify other women? and 2) Are you, a femme gay woman, objectifying other women?
There exists a lot of discussion about question 1 coming from a lot smarter and better-read women than me. My personal opinion is that, yes, it is theoretically possible for us to treat other women like objects and not people. But we don’t spend our whole lives learning the lesson that we’re supposed to treat women that way. Nobody tells us that women exist for our sexual pleasure. Instead, they tell us that being attracted to women is wrong, and dirty, and we should feel ashamed of it. So, possible, yes; common, no. Probably a lot more common is worrying about objectifying women, since everyone is telling us that what we feel is wrong.
I don’t know if you personally objectify women, but I doubt it. The fact that you’re worried about it and think it would be bad if you did, the fact that you’ve come here to talk to a bunch of other women about it, these don’t seem like the things someone does when they treat women like sexual tools.
I’m sorry you feel awful. Your attraction to women is a good and beautiful thing.