Hey, remember when Friday was meme-day here at We Hunted the Mammoth? We’ve missed a couple, mostly because of horrible things happening in the world, but we’re back!
Today, some of the weirdest pro-Trump and anti-Hillary memes I’ve run across lately. Most of these are from Reddit — in particular, from r/The_Donald and r/HillaryForPrison. Enjoy, I guess.
Now this last meme — which I’ve censored a little — isn’t really all that weird. It’s just kind of revealing, at least about the sort of people who sit around making anti-Hillary memes.
Yikes.
@kupo:
The only people who consider calling a Zionist… er… a Zionist anti-Semitic are supporters of Israel’s wretched policies . Perhaps you’re one of them?
As regards ‘mouth breather’ being ableist, you’re once again devaluing a term. Well done!
@Alan: Yes I have the first few Dredd collections and he does give off a “black” vibe facially once you take a good look at him. Would have been interesting to keep it that way, although by the time I came to the comic (1986) he was very much in “Eastwood” mode.
I started doing specific months devoted to UK comics which is pretty much 2000AD, CRISIS and the Toxic Presents: Marshal Law. It’s all tagged with 2000AD anyway (apart from Marshal Law) so you can find it all that way if you are so inclined. Hope you find something of interest anyway 🙂
I’ve actually read some Misty strips, the one about the Nazi parallel reality accessed via a towerblock, it was pretty good and not what I would have expected from a comic aimed at girls. So talk away about it!
@EJ:
SHFC (or as I shall forever think of her, M the Social Justice Ranger) is definitely a fighty person. However, her instincts tend to be excellent: I’ve never seen her turn against anyone who didn’t respond by melting down trollishly and begin to spout MRA bullshit.
Ah, now we’re going by instinct. Next up: the reading of the tea leaves! Many sites on that too, SFHC!
NOT ONCE have I spouted ‘MRA bullshit‘. Not here, not anywhere, not in the past or present. NEVER.
Nor is there a meltdown here: rebutting counts as melt down. NONSENSE!
Ehhhhhh so far it looks pretty meltdown-y to me. Same as the last thread you took part in. Unless you count acting like a petulant, antagonistic child to be a regular part of discussion.
@Ohlmann:
That’s a very interesting interpretation. Most Lovecraft scholarship that I’ve seen focuses on the concept of race as contagion rather than race as a creation loosed upon the world, but it’s definitely an appealing theory. I’m going to have to reread Mountains of Madness and consider it.
@kale:
I think you’re right. It helps them believe that they have ownership of all scientists and their achievements, in the same way that white people want to believe that they own the achievements of white people. It’s why, when scientists come out as feminists, there’s normally a howl from the Rational Men Arguing Rationally as if they have been personally betrayed. Someone has tried to steal one of their scientists from them! The fact that it was the scientist themselves who tried to steal themselves, makes no difference.
Nice. Way to leave out the part that makes it an insult. So if I were to call someone from any other group a mouth-breather, that wouldn’t imply anything about that group? Feminist mouth-breather doesn’t imply any negative views of feminists? MGTOW mouth-breather is perfectly acceptable, then?
And way to not understand the damn ablism, again.
@dlouwe:
I know what a dog whistle is but it is irrelevant here. There’s no good reason to have that term (Zionist) stolen by a few idiots.
The same holds true for the misnomer anti-Semitism itself: having been over-used it’s lost a lot of meaning. The clunkier but more accurate ‘Jew hatred’, if it would be used as a a substitute would not fair much better.
Take the word ‘communist’ e.g. In a sense, would anyone still want to call oneself that after the horrors of Stalinist Leninist communism and the subsequent use as a term of abuse by Reichwing airheads, for anyone who is a nanometer to the left of centre.
That’s not how language works either.
@kupo
It’s not ableism because Gert doesn’t think it’s ableism, and since they have clearly never been wrong about anything ever, “What Gert thinks about it” is probably the best metric we’ve got.
(heavy /s in case it wasn’t implied)
@kupo:
Yes. Not nice. Not accurate. But OK.
Feminist mouth breather is absurd, an MRA theme probably.
Why do you mock instinct? It’s just the learned ability to eyeball a situation through experience of similar situations and an intuitive grasp of the dynamics. I have an instinct for whether orbits are stable or not, because I’ve done enough astrophysics to internalise the way gravity works. You’ve probably got an instinct for chiralities. M has an instinct for people arguing in bad faith. These are things that we encounter often enough to be able to recognise them.
What the hell, i really don’t understand you people sometimes 🙁
@dlouwe:
People will differ in opinion as to what constitutes ableism, dlouwe. You don’t hold the truth in the palm of you’re hand either.
Neither do I. An opinion should be permitted, no?
Now Gert is finding Zionist shills everywhere!
Look out, Gert! They’re lurking!
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/lurker.gif
@Gert
So why, in your opinion, is it okay to say Zionist mouth-breather but not feminist mouth-breather?
@ varalys
I nearly got some stories published in ‘Toxic’!
As for Misty, apologies if you already know this but it was written by Pat Mills and the team that went on to produce ‘Action’.
Because girls’ comics were seen as a bit of a ghetto at IPC/Fleetway, none of the management cared at all about them (they just focussed on the war and sports titles) so Pat and his gang were able to experiment.
He tested out the ideas on his daughters. They hated all the usual ponies and boarding school hi-jinx of traditional girl’s comics and much preferred occult stuff and dystopian sci-if (with Pat Mills as a dad that’s perhaps not surprising).
So basically they were field testing all the ideas and style that would later become ‘Action’ and thus 2000AD.
(My flatmate used to go out with one of Pat’s daughters. That also explains my first paragraph 🙂 )
@EJ:
I believe these instincts are significantly different from one another. Nor can instinct replace evidence or proof.
SFHC’s instinct on me is plain wrong, paranoid, conspiratorial even.
On a science forum I contribute we had a member who claimed to have a strong “instinct” for sniffing out trolls. He ended up making horrendous allegations about known, senior members (claiming they were trolls and sock puppeteers). After much hand wringing said member eventually ended up in self-imposed exile.
She also dead wrong about Mondoweiss being a hate site. It’s an awful allegation levelled at people who work tirelessly for social justice. Shocking and based on… an Internet search!
@Gert
If her instinct on you is wrong and you’re not a troll, why continue lashing out at literally every single person here? What is your goal? What do you hope to accomplish by refusing to follow the rules clearly laid out in the comments policy?
@kupo:
Because insulting MRAs is what they deserve. Not so feminists.
I believe you’re putting the bar for ableism impossibly low, at least in this case.
@Gert
Please re-read what you quoted. I wasn’t asking about MRA vs feminists (I never even brought up MRAs, it was MGTOWs in the previous example). Please respond to my question.
Edit: Though your answer is extremely telling.
@kupo:
You care about language but like to use loaded language with unneeded qualifiers.
I don’t ‘lash’ out: I try to rebut. Several have lashed out at me, or do you think being called a ‘dipshit’ (and ‘ass’) constitutes reasoned debate?
Actually it’s perfectly relevant. But if you know what a dog whistle is, then you clearly have no idea why you were called out in the first place. I was trying to be charitable at least. Now it just seems like you’ve been arguing with random selections of words from our posts, rather than attempting to comprehend them.
Sure, but what counts here is what the community agrees is ableism. There have been myriad in-depth (and often quite spirited) discussions here on the matter. You have participated in none of those. You are welcome to challenge a notion, but you don’t get to simply say “no it isn’t” and expect us to acquiesce. I personally consider all insults around intelligence to be ableist (stupid, idiot, etc.) but the community consensus is otherwise, so I abide it.
The funniest part is that when Goatse inevitably gets banhammered and even-more-inevitably tries to sock, he’ll give himself away even sooner by focussing on me.
@Alan: Hah, didn’t know that about Pat Mills and him field testing the stories on his daughters. Of course girls want cool stuff too, my sister who is close in age to me was the girliest girl who ever girled, and she still read my copies of 2000AD. There’s a website somewhere although I can’t find it in my bookmarks where they have posted several stories, including the towerblock one (I think it’s called “The Sentinels”).
Toxic needed better stories, I did a month posting various pages from it moaning about the horrible painted artwork and the fact stories kept starting, then stoping and new stories taking their place. I think by the end of its run about 80% of the stories had not reached a resolution. I did get a letter printed in one issue, moaning about the painted artwork, heh. Slaine The Horned God was about as deleterious to the UK comic industry as the Image founders were to the US one.
@dlouwe:
Well, I’ll try and abide by that. Not a problem, really.
@Jennifer
I’m confused by what you mean, would you mind elaborating on that?
ETA: Are you fuckin serious, Gert!?