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Twitter bans Milo for good, finally. But what about his goons?

Milo Yiannopoulos: A martyr, in his own mind
Milo Yiannopoulos: A martyr, in his own mind

So Twitter has finally given Milo Yiannopoulos the boot — apparently for good — after the Breitbart “journalist” gleefully participated in, and egged on, a vicious campaign of racist abuse directed at Ghostbusters star Leslie Jones on Twitter earlier this week.

This wasn’t the first time that Milo, formerly known as @Nero, used his Twitter platform — at the time of his suspension he had 338,000 followers — to attack and abuse a popular scapegoat (or someone who merely mocked him online). It wasn’t even the worst example of his bullying.

What made the difference this time? Leslie Jones, who has a bit of a Twitter following herself, refused to stay silent in the face of the abuse she was getting, a move that no doubt increased the amount of harassment sent her way, but one that also caught the attention of the media. And so Milo finally got the ban he has so long deserved.

But what about all those others who participated in the abuse? And the rest of those who’ve turned the Twitter platform into one of the Internet’s most effective enablers of bullying and abuse?

In a statement, Twitter said it was reacting to “an uptick in the number of accounts violating [Twitter’s] policies” on abuse. But as the folks who run Twitter know all too well, the campaign against Jones, as utterly vicious as it was, wasn’t some kind of weird aberration.

It’s the sort of thing that happens every single day on Twitter to countless non-famous people — with women, and people of color, and LGBT folks, and Jews, and Muslims (basically anyone who is not a cis, white, straight, non-Jewish, non-Muslim man) being favorite targets.

Twitter also says that it will try to do better when it comes to abuse. “We know many people believe we have not done enough to curb this type of behavior on Twitter,” the company said in its statement.

We agree. We are continuing to invest heavily in improving our tools and enforcement systems to better allow us to identify and take faster action on abuse as it’s happening and prevent repeat offenders. We have been in the process of reviewing our hateful conduct policy to prohibit additional types of abusive behavior and allow more types of reporting, with the goal of reducing the burden on the person being targeted. We’ll provide more details on those changes in the coming weeks.

This is good news. At least if it’s something more than hot air. Twitter desperately needs better policies to deal with abuse. But better policies won’t mean much if they’re not enforced. Twitter already has rules that, if enforced, would go a long way towards dealing with the abuse on the platform. But they’re simply not enforced.

Right now I don’t even bother reporting Tweets like this, because Twitter typically does nothing about them.

https://twitter.com/Bobcat665/status/735282887965085697

And even when someone does get booted off Twitter for abuse, they often return under a new name — and though this is in direct violation of Twitter’s rules, the ban evaders are so seldom punished for this violation that most don’t even bother to pretend to be anyone other than they are.

Longtime readers here will remember the saga of @JudgyBitch1 and her adventures in ban evasion.

Meanwhile, babyfaced white supremacist Matt Forney’s original account (@realMattForney) was banned some time ago; he returned as @basedMattForney. When this ban evading account was also banned, he got around this ban by starting up yet another ban evading account, under the name @oneMattForney, and did his best to round up as many of his old followers as possible.

https://twitter.com/onemattforney/status/753087810006085634

A few days later, Twitter unbanned his @basedMattForney account.

And here’s yet another banned Twitterer boasting about their success in ban evasion from a new account:

https://twitter.com/_AltRight_Anew/status/755643864036339716

And then there are all the accounts set up for no other reason than to abuse people. Like this person, who set up a new account just so they could post a single rude Tweet to me:

femborg

In case you’re wondering, the one person this Twitter account follows is, yes Donald Trump.

And then there’s this guy, also with an egg avatar, and a whopping three followers, who has spewed forth hundreds of nasty tweets directed mostly at feminists.

Here are several he sent to me, which I’ve lightly censored:

stranger1

And some he’s sent to others.

stbig1 stbig2

So, yeah. Twitter is rotten with accounts like these, set up to do little more than harass. And if they ever get banned, it only takes a few minutes to set up another one.

Milo used his vast number of Twitter followers as a personal army. But you don’t need a lot of followers to do a lot of damage on Twitter. All you really need is an email address and a willingness to do harm.

It’s good that Twitter took down one of the platforms most vicious ringleaders of abuse. But unless Twitter can deal with the small-time goons, with their anime avatars and egg accounts, as well, it will remain one of the Internet’s most effective tools for harassment and abuse.

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EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

@Dalilama:
I’ll share it around

@Ohlmann (on Marx):
I don’t know enough about Marx to say whether or not he’d disapprove, but I think it might take some getting used to even if he approved of it.

(On Warmachine/Hordes):
The impression I have of it is that its fanbase, and Privateer Press themselves, hold their toxic masculinity very dear to them. I remember having a fan explain to me that an attitude of aggression towards one’s fellow players was a good thing, and that anyone who disagrees should “grow some nuts”; and from what I’ve heard elsewhere this is a representative sample.

That may be an outdated impression. They may have gotten better and purged the bad elements of the player base. I don’t know.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

@ej

Of course Marx was sexist, everyone was. He was a “man of his time”. Not a time we want to return to of course. Even Doctor Seuss and Ghandi were outrageously sexist by today’s standards. Although, to give Marx his dues he was against the concept of ‘coercion’ – that being the tendency of male artisans or farmers forcing their wives and children to work for them without recompence.

EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

@Dalilama:
I think your link is broken. I clicked on it to donate and I got the We Hunted the Mammoth “page not found” screen.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ Virgin Mary

I think it’s the most popular pub name in England; but this particular one is just behind Covent Garden.

Heh, he liked his pubs. When he talked about the workers owning the means of production he probably meant home brew kits. 🙂

I do like drinking in historically significant pubs though. My special faves are The Eagle and Child in Oxford and that one opposite Borough Market that became Harvard University (through a convoluted set of circumstances)

ETA: he did sack one of his servants though after he got her pregnant; but like you say, man of his times.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

@EJ/Warmachine : the forums are about the most toxic place I have ever seen, but I did not see much actual sexism or toxic masculinity. It’s more that people are viciously aggressive toward everyone and very, very whiny.

The guy I play with aren’t visibly sexist. Interestingly, most aren’t typical geek, and most have low-pay service or industry job

Warmachine shedded its very, very infamous “play like you have a pair” page 5. On several years, I did not see significant other inflexions : women are still rare but existing in all factions, no character ever spout actual misogyny or treat men and women differently, relatively few testosterone-dripping bodybuilded guy in favor of relatively lean soldiers, a mix of fan-service women and realistic women, among other.

@Marx : my reasonment is that, while quite a lot of old people refuse any social change, the majority or at least a big bunch of them just accept it. I don’t know the personality of Marx, but he don’t seem to care about men and women all that much, so my hypothesis is that he would be fine with misogyny and will likely have a higher amount of insensitive or misogynistic sentence than other, but won’t actually fight against woman equality once introduced with it and would understand the situation quickly. It’s not like woman equality is fundamentaly changing anything to his communist theory.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

@ohlmann

Women were and indeed still are treated terribly, you only need to look at the women and children’s workhouses and the cotton mills etc. in the last century. Women have to a) breed the next generation of workers for ‘labour power’, sustain them (prepare food, breast milk etc) give of their own bodies and health, as well b) as be used for coercive domestic labour by their husband/slave owner, tend house for him after his gruelling labour, and restore him by making him food, and having sex to produce more children to die up chimneys or down coal mines. They did not receive anything for this except perhaps their next meal and rags on their back if their master was compassionate, because they couldn’t own property. I’m sure Marx was very aware of this.

I’m going to post this pic here again because it’s awesome cool, Malala Yousefzai speaking at the IMT Marxist School in Swat, Pakistan.

http://politicalblindspot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SWAT_Marxist_school_Malala_Yousufzai.jpg

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

@Virgin : I am not sure to understand, so I will just say that I am aware women are very badly treated, and it was even worse one century ago.

But that don’t mean that a product of one time won’t be able to adapt quickly. For each grandpa who is an irrefutable bigot, another one just don’t care that his grandson is now a women happily married with a black woman. I suspect the one who are against social progress were already a lot more sexist when they were young than the one who accept new times.

(of course, a sudden meltdown is still possible. But I guess the main source of meltdown would be when he will read about Stalin and the Khmer Rouge)

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

The pub I would like to visit is the one named for John Snow. Partially because of the similarity in name to Jon Snow from ASOIAF/Game of Thrones. Plus the book that taught me about John Snow was called Ghost Map and Jon Snow’s direwolf is named Ghost.

The main reason though is that I’m a weirdo and I like reading about diseases and how epidemics and pandemics shape history. John Snow may not be the most famous historical figure who was from or lived in England, but he’s one I know due to this kind of morbid interest of mine.

I bet the workers at the John Snow pub have to deal with a lot of annoying customers who think it’s a GoT themed pub. It might be fun to go in there as a tourist who actually knows about how it got its name.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

@ohlmann

I’m not a supporter of Stalin, heavens no!
Read up about the ‘Road of Bones’!

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

@wwth

There’s a pub named after Jon Snow? The Channel 4 news anchor?
Cool 😉

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Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

@Virgin : I truly don’t understand, but I never wanted to insinuate that. Stalin don’t have a lot to do with actual communism, he is just a dictator. I will stay at that before doing other miscommunications.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

I didn’t know there was a newscaster named Jon Snow too. People must shout “you know nothing, Jon Snow” at him all the time.

Ellesar
Ellesar
4 years ago

Milo trying to assert that he is not racist because he has sex with black men immediately made me think of Another Country, where James Baldwin writes such an insightful expose of a white mans racism whilst in a relationship with a black woman that I still remember it, over 30 years after reading it.

I expect James Baldwin knew from personal experience how racist some of the gay white men around him were.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ WWTH

Hope I’m not teaching you to suck eggs here, but you familiar with the current theory that the Black Death may have been a form of retro virus and that the descendants of the survivors may have been left with a higher resistance to HIV as a result?

There was also a documentary recently that made a very convincing case that the collapse of Easter Island had nothing to do with chopping all the trees down but that the population was nearly wiped out by exposure to germs introduced during a very brief visit by a Dutch ship.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

The theory that the white men genocided the native american with their diseases alway bugged me. It’s perfectly realistic, but framing europeans as having diseases and diseases immunity so good it’s basically a super power don’t fit well with me. I instinctively see that as european exceptionalism even if it’s way more realistic than the variations that say that european civilization is superior.

pitshade
pitshade
4 years ago

The Americas were isolated from the disease loci found in Africa and Eurasia meaning that the indigenous peoples never built up any immunities to diseases which were commonplace in the ‘Old World.’ It wasn’t any special ability in the part of the Europeans, just prior exposure that gave them resistance. When those same diseases first hit Europe, they were responsible for the loss of much life.

(((Her Grace Phryne))): Tool of the Butt-Worshipping, Lesbian-Powered Elite
(((Her Grace Phryne))): Tool of the Butt-Worshipping, Lesbian-Powered Elite
4 years ago

Hoxton is a funny old place. It used to have a bit of a reputation. Lots of famous ‘villains’ (like the Kray twins) were from there. I really liked it though. Everyone was really friendly. There was a bit of nostalgia for the gangster days. The landlord of my local pub was really proud that the Brinks Mat robbery had been planned there.

Yeah, the game Hoxton is definitely a criminal, but he’s also oddly enjoyable personality-wise. Not nice, per se, but he’s got some good lines. (The game is Payday 2, if you’re curious.)

If you want a nice misandric protein for that sandwich, go with something like seared ahi tuna. Lots of men, particularly dude bro types hate tuna. Maybe because kitties love it?

Maybe. Tuna’s not my favorite, but it could be worth it to piss off the dudebros.

The main reason though is that I’m a weirdo and I like reading about diseases and how epidemics and pandemics shape history. John Snow may not be the most famous historical figure who was from or lived in England, but he’s one I know due to this kind of morbid interest of mine.

I’m that kind of weirdo too, what book?

The theory that the white men genocided the native american with their diseases alway bugged me. It’s perfectly realistic, but framing europeans as having diseases and diseases immunity so good it’s basically a super power don’t fit well with me. I instinctively see that as european exceptionalism even if it’s way more realistic than the variations that say that european civilization is superior.

That’s… kind of not what the point of that is? Europeans had immunity because their ancestors lived with those diseases. Native Americans hadn’t been exposed to them, so their immune systems hadn’t had a chance to develop immunity. It’s not that European immune systems were particularly good, definitely not “basically a super power”; they’d developed immunity over time. It’s like the difference between a forest that’s already burned down and a dry, untouched forest. There’s less for a fire to burn in the previously-burned forest, but lots in the untouched forest.

ETA: Or what pitshade said. Plus, it wasn’t intentional, but it did go along well with their plans.

OT, but how do I post images? I cannot figure that out and it’s frustrating.

leftwingfox
leftwingfox
4 years ago

Ohlmann: There was an interesting video by CGP Grey that points it out as a structural issue

banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
4 years ago

@Ohlmann

Diseases like smallpox had been in European populations for many generations, which allowed those generations to build a tolerance. Literally, some Europeans had genetic resistance to these diseases, enough that even those who didn’t could potentially be protected by herd immunity. Not to mention that while the miasma theory of disease turned out to be inaccurate, some of the methods used to combat ‘miasma’ could block airborne pathogens.

The Cherokee, Wichita, Sioux, etc. had no history with these diseases, so almost no one had genes to resist them, and certainly no one was going to benefit from herd immunity. Further, a lot of people forget that this “disease naivete” worked both ways, which is why white guys who caught syphilis would be dead in less than two years, and why “Montezuma’s Revenge” is a persistent tale.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
4 years ago

@repentantphonebooth

I am looking for reliable statistics on the rate of false accusations for crimes other than rape

Holy shit, didn’t see you back there! Sorry, I can’t help you with anything concrete but I heard the false accusation rate for other violent crimes was pretty much the same as each other. I wouldn’t know where or how to start searching for the actual numbers. But I’m curious too, so does anyone have any leads?

(((Her Grace Phryne))): Tool of the Butt-Worshipping, Lesbian-Powered Elite
(((Her Grace Phryne))): Tool of the Butt-Worshipping, Lesbian-Powered Elite
4 years ago

Further, a lot of people forget that this “disease naivete” worked both ways, which is why white guys who caught syphilis would be dead in less than two years, and why “Montezuma’s Revenge” is a persistent tale.

I was wondering about that! Good to know that my logic was sound. It makes sense: Native Americans didn’t have immunity to European diseases, so naturally Europeans wouldn’t have had immunity to Native American diseases.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

re: Plagues, the book Guns, Germs and Steel lays down some excellent smack on the idea of European exceptionalism, while providing great theories and facts on why Europe grew to dominance when it did. The factors it gives are its east-west axis in Eurasia (as opposed to the north-south axis of the Americans, and of the passages to Africa and Oceania), and the few more easily domesticated plants and animals. Great book, very much worth the read.

@Ohlmann, i looked at that miniature. I’m no authority, but I’m gonna say sexist on that one. It follows The Disney Principle. The armour is form fitting and has boob plates, and… sure, she’s not a pretty face, but she’s evil. Everyone knows that ugly girls are evil, and pretty girls are good, right? Also, the ugly ones are queens who wield power, and the pretty ones are good princesses who either rely on the help of princes, or at best cooperate with princes, instead of wielding power directly.

They know their audience, and are pleased to serve them. I don’t think you have to look much deeper than that.

(That doesn’t mean you have to stop playing the game or enjoying it! You can criticize it and still enjoy the parts of it that you like. All of this is just my opinion, anyways.)

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

@all : I don’t say that theory is unrealistic. But it hinge on European being special, as in not only bringing with them some absolutely deadly diseases, but being resistant to it, and not encountering anything truly dangerous from the native american.

The simple fact the diseases spreaded to the whole of north america show they were big and connected enough to potentially have their own deadly disease. But in none of the european exploration did they encounter something truly dangerous to their society. Not just in America ; Oceania and the not-that-well connected area of Africa did not bring out any disease. That seem a lot of luck.

In a similar idea, no foreign diseases did even remotely as much damage in Europa than the one who apparently wiped out north native american.

That’s what I mean by “superpower”. The Europeans seem to have won the lottery five time in a row, by surviving extremely deadly diseases without problem, then successfully invading several continent without encountering anything horribly deadly, and even having their own disease doing the dirty work for them.

As I said, it’s still a perfectly rational and documented explanation, and more likely than anything else that I am aware of. But it still kind of bug me.

pitshade
pitshade
4 years ago

@Phryne

Plus, it wasn’t intentional, but it did go along well with their plans.

Unfortunately, that’s not quite true. The initial outbreaks that wiped out the Mississippian mound building culture were unintentional but there are later outbreaks of smallpox that were deliberately caused by selling/trading blankets laced with smallpox infected material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_disease_and_epidemics#Disease_as_a_weapon_against_Native_Americans

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

@Scilfredja : thanks for the opinion. It’s the kind of thing I seek, to open my perspective and see how other people see it.

I do disagree with the concept that Skorne (slavers and imperialists) are truly evil in a setting where several nation want to destroy the world, and everyone did more or less recently pogroms against supposedly dissenting populations ; and Makeda among Skorne isn’t shown as particulary evil.

(in short, when your factions are Mac Carthy America, Stalin Russia, and Elven Hitler, being the Babylonian slaver mixed with Imperial Japan don’t paint you as particulary evil. And all of thoses are able to look good by the virtue of not being one of the two genocidal maniac factions)

PP follow “evil is sexy” as a rule, and it painfully show on the two world-destroying factions, who are also the faction with pole-dancing stripper generals. Who honestly was the main thing keeping me at bay at first, together with the awful disclaimer in page 5.

… I guess I rant to much. The problem of ranting is that it make it look like I refuse your opinion, when I actually find that the disney analogy is a good point.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

But it hinge on European being special, as in not only bringing with them some absolutely deadly diseases, but being resistant to it, and not encountering anything truly dangerous from the native american.

No, it hinges on two groups who’d never been in contact before evolving different bacterial/viral strains and thus different immune systems. The same reason why international travellers are recommended to get pre-trip immunisations today. It’s not exceptionalism, it’s just the way evolution works.

Also, the Europeans weren’t resistant to smallpox anyway. It was a very prolific killer in Europe before immunisations were invented.

pitshade
pitshade
4 years ago

Ohlmann

In a similar idea, no foreign diseases did even remotely as much damage in Europa than the one who apparently wiped out north native american.

The Plague of Justinian, one of the first introductions of y. pestis is thought to have killed 25 million people in its initial outbreak and that number doubled in the centuries before the disease faded out for a time. When it returned as the Black Death, the disease killed as much as two thirds of Europe’s population.

Typhoid Fever may have caused the Plague of Athens which killed off a quarter of the city. Smallpox in Italy killed millions during the Antonine Plague.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

(in fact, I guess I need something like https://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/ but who talk of Warmachine more than of Pathfinder, who is also a hobby of mine)

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Hope I’m not teaching you to suck eggs here, but you familiar with the current theory that the Black Death may have been a form of retro virus and that the descendants of the survivors may have been left with a higher resistance to HIV as a result?

I have heard that one. There’s also a theory that it was actually a hemorrhagic fever similar to Ebola. I think the virus theories are around because it spread so fast and usually plague spreads slowly because it’s from fleas on rats, not spread person to person. However, there was recently some yersinia pestis extracted from the teeth of corpses in a mass grave from the black death, so the evidence that it was the plague is pretty unshakable by now. But bacteria are pretty slutty and will swap DNA with viruses pretty often. In fact, speaking of John Snow, that’s how cholera bacteria go from pretty harmless to causing deadly epidemics. So, maybe the black death was a strain of yersinia pestis that had mutated from obtaining virus DNA of some sort? It’s pure speculation, but it would explain why the black death was as awful as it was.

I’m that kind of weirdo too, what book?

Ghost Map. http://www.theghostmap.com/

It’s a great book, but if anyone plans on reading it, I must warn that there are some pretty unappetizing and graphic descriptions of the dirtier, stinkier aspects of 19th century urban life. It’s described in more detail than you usually hear or read and it isn’t pretty. I like knowing that kind of stuff though. It makes it harder to idealize the past too much. Personally, I’m happy to live in a world in which “night soil man” is no longer a job that anyone has.

(((Her Grace Phryne))): Tool of the Butt-Worshipping, Lesbian-Powered Elite
(((Her Grace Phryne))): Tool of the Butt-Worshipping, Lesbian-Powered Elite
4 years ago

Unfortunately, that’s not quite true. The initial outbreaks that wiped out the Mississippian mound building culture were unintentional but there are later outbreaks of smallpox that were deliberately caused by selling/trading blankets laced with smallpox infected material.

*headdesk* How did I forget about that? (Probably because I was thinking the initial encounters.) Right. That thing that you said.

(In my defense? I’m absolutely exhausted, for reasons that aren’t even remotely able to be spun as positive. 🙁 )

(((Her Grace Phryne))): Tool of the Butt-Worshipping, Lesbian-Powered Elite
(((Her Grace Phryne))): Tool of the Butt-Worshipping, Lesbian-Powered Elite
4 years ago

Thank you, wwth! I have a fairly high tolerance for “gross”, especially if I’m reading about it, but warning noted. 🙂

ETA: OH! I think Extra History did something about this? At least, if it’s the one where he figured out that the upstream area where people were dumping their “night soil” was causing it, but he died anyway? Vague recollections, but it was a fascinating story, so the book is on my wishlist. 🙂

(((Her Grace Phryne))): Tool of the Butt-Worshipping, Lesbian-Powered Elite
(((Her Grace Phryne))): Tool of the Butt-Worshipping, Lesbian-Powered Elite
4 years ago

It is, it is! (I would have edited this on to my previous comment, but I got distracted by the “related books” on Amazon.)

repentantphonebooth
repentantphonebooth
4 years ago

leslie jones is back on twitter!!!! yay!!!

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
4 years ago

RE Marx and social change

Marx and Engels were fully aware of the unequal treatment of women. There’s a book about it. They just believed that capitalism was the bigger threat and that, once that problem was sorted, there would be little reason to continue other forms of inequality. This is partly why Communism was keen on breaking down the “family” (but not entirely, it was also a potential source of subversion).

So Marx was a feminist? Yes. Intersectional? Not on your nelly.

Dalillama
Dalillama
4 years ago

@EJ(TOO)
Blast, thanks for letting me know.
This link should work.

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
4 years ago

Bearing in mind, btw, that “family” in Marx’s time meant a husband who owned all his wife’s property, could legally beat or rape her, could have her institutionalised on the flimsiest of evidence (such as objecting to being beaten and raped) and would ordinarily retain custody of his children on the rare occasions his wife could legitimately leave.

We may not have reached perfection, but things have moved on.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

@weatherwax

Very good points. Marriage still carries some of that stigma, for example ‘husband’ like animal husbandry, handler or owner, comes from ‘husbondi’ a man who owns land and stock. Presumably, his woman counts as ‘stock’ also. The ‘nuclear’ family was really a post war Madison Avenue creation intended to get women back into the home and tied to the kitchen sink after they’d got used to filling in the jobs vacated by men in military service.
Your description sounds a lot like what the Christian Right and Quiverfull patriarchs want, so maybe, some people have not moved on, they’ve gone back in time.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

@weatherwax

Have you read this one?

https://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/1920/communism-family.htm

It’s the states responsibility for bringing up children bit that sends the MRA types into a frenzy, they would prefer their barely literate, barefoot, constantly pregnant wife to do that whilst they drink beer, watch porn and fuck their sex robot.

Did I mention I was against Academisation of schools? That’s where the corporate brainwashing starts.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

Re: disease vectors

So, it seems the Silk Road may have been responsible for the spread of more than just that triple bunny logo.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jul/22/ancient-bottom-wipers-yield-evidence-of-diseases-silk-road-chinese-liver-fluke

Spaniard in the Works
Spaniard in the Works
4 years ago

@Ohlmann

From what I read in current Spanish HS level textbooks (since I had to help my girlfriend’s daughter with her homework this year), the disease killing was primarily constrained to the Caribbean islands, where indigenous populations were more insular AND also they were weakened by labor, which is why the Spaniards had to introduce black slaves bought from the Portuguese traders.

pitshade
pitshade
4 years ago

the disease killing was primarily constrained to the Caribbean islands,

The area that would later become the Southeastern US was almost depopulated and I’m fairly certain areas were hit hard as well.

Andzzz
Andzzz
4 years ago

Milo’s goons are now digging through Lesley’s twitter and posting her own (allegedly) racist tweets. This one is going to run for some time, I fear. (NB These appear to be actual tweets, or at least higher quality fake ones.)

Partap
Partap
4 years ago

Milo didn’t do anything except being rude.
The reaction against milo is exactly why certain groups are being stereotyped in ways their movement tries to dispel.

You wish to promote true censorship?
I would bet money this message will also be censored, since it remotely resembles an opposing opinion.

EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

@Partap:

certain groups are being stereotyped in ways their movement tries to dispel

You don’t have to use euphemisms, you know. We’re not fooled and you’re not fooled. You can just say “muslims, women and black people.”

It would be a lie for me to say that I ever liked the alt-right, but about the only thing I ever respected about it is that they’re always willing to actually come out and say what they’re saying, rather than swaddling it in layers of euphemisms like cotton wool. Unfortunately you yourself don’t seem to adhere to this habit. Tell me, who are you trying to conceal your opinions from – me or you?

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

Another troll whining about how he will be “censored”. They never learn, do they?

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Partap

I would bet money this message will also be censored, since it remotely resembles an opposing opinion.

Hey, how did that bet work out?

I’ll bet that you’ll respond with more turgid, pompous, aggrieved prose.

Prove me wrong & make a lefty feminist lose her bet!

guest
guest
4 years ago

Speaking on behalf of the York tourist board…. John Snow was born in York, and is recognised/celebrated there:

http://www.york.ac.uk/healthsciences/john-snow-event/

There’s a plaque on a hotel near the river identifying his birthplace, but it’s not easy to see.

http://www.york.ac.uk/news-and-events/news/2013/events/john-snow/gallery/

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Virgin Mary

The ‘nuclear’ family was really a post war Madison Avenue creation intended to get women back into the home and tied to the kitchen sink after they’d got used to filling in the jobs vacated by men in military service.

That’s a bit of an exaggeration — although there’s truth to the statement too.

Mad Ave. and the US government both wanted to get women back into the home after WWII.

But both of my sets of grandparents, who married at the turn of the twentieth century, lived in nuclear families.

That said, when my great-uncle, who worked in a steel mill in Pennsylvania, fell into a machine at work and was killed (no OSHA rules plus no laws about the length of a workday or work week meant that this was not an uncommon occurrence), he left behind a widow and three young children. There were no survivor benefits. For a while, the kids lived with relatives until the family could reunite. The widow never remarried, so somehow she managed. It couldn’t have been easy! And when I met her she was about 90 and was living with one of her sons.

I believe that you live in the UK. Maybe extended families are more likely to live together in your country.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

@leftwingfox

“A cat is a tiny tiger living in your house.” – from part 2, which covers why certain animals could be domesticated and others possibly tame with the rest fully wild. Buffalo = tanks with hooves, and pure carnivores are pretty much not good for domestication because “their day job is murder”.

Interesting stuff. Thanks!