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Matt Forney: #BlackLivesMatter faked Philando Castile’s death-by-cop “to slander whites”

Philando Castile, killed by police
Philando Castile

Yesterday yet another black man was shot and killed by a police officer in deeply troubling circumstances. Philando Castile was in his car, safety belt on, apparently reaching for his license, when the officer shot him during a traffic stop in a suburb of St. Paul Minnesota.

His girlfriend Diamond Reynolds, in the car with him, somehow maintained her composure enough to film the aftermath of the shooting, streaming it live to Facebook. (You can watch the footage here.)

Matt Forney — the internet-famous woman-hating white supremacist — has somehow convinced himself that it’s all an elaborate hoax. In a succession of Tweets, he lays out his case, such as it is. (Click on the screenshots to see the Tweets in context on Twitter.)

Matt Forney ‏@basedmattforney #BlackLivesMatter faked the #FalconHeightsShooting as part of their mission to slander whites in general and police in particular.

User Actions Follow Matt Forney ‏@basedmattforney Matt Forney Retweeted Samuel B Roberts The cops are actors. The guns are props. The "blood" on Philando Castile's shirt is fake. #FalconHeightsShooting

Forney — in several Tweets and in a post on his blog — sets forth a series of easily refutable “arguments” which in his mind prove his case. His first “argument” will give you a sense of Forney’s keen mind in action: `

Matt Forney ‏@basedmattforney 1. The chick is filming throughout the whole thing. Any reputable cop would have taken her phone away. #FalconHeightsShooting

She was never arrested; just detained. The cops threw her phone to the ground after detaining her. It was returned to her later. All of this is clear from watching the video.

I’m not going to bother with the rest of his arguments because, well, here’s the thing:

Philando Castile, a real person, is dead. He died in the hospital as a result of his wounds. Is the hospital that reported this part of the conspiracy? Did he volunteer to be killed in a random traffic stop in order to give BlackLivesMatter a new talking point? Did his girlfriend agree to go along with this bizarre plan?

The St. Anthony Police Department has acknowledged the shooting and Castile’s death and put the officer who shot Castile on leave. The St. Anthony Police Department is, in fact, a real police department, not a troupe of actors. Is the St. Anthony Police Department working in cahoots with BlackLivesMatter to make itself look bad? Is the officer who shot Castile — whom Reynolds has described as “Asian” — hoping that his actions will help BlackLivesMatter “slander” white men? Even though he apparently isn’t white?

The governor of Minnesota has asked the Justice Department to investigate. Is he part of the conspiracy too? Is the Justice Department?

I’ll stop here, but my basic point is this: There is a real world. Matt Forney clearly does not live in it.

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littleknown
littleknown
5 years ago

Re: Dallas–

BREAKING: DPD Chief David Brown says 10 officers were shot by 2 snipers in downtown Dallas. 3 are dead, 3 are critical, and 2 are in surgery

FUCK violence.

I feel sick.

MissEB47
MissEB47
5 years ago

littleknown-It gets worse and worse doesn’t it? 😡 Fuck guns. Fuck violence.

Handsome "These Pretzels Suck" Jack (formerly Pandapool)

Somehow a double post, so, I mean, double fuck cops.

Handsome "These Pretzels Suck" Jack (formerly Pandapool)

They ARRESTED A 4 YEAR OLD GIRL AND HELD HER IN CUSTODY ALONE? That’s fucking horrible in and of itself.

They held her away from her mother for eight hours with no food and no water.

Fuck cops.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

The news out of Dallas is disheartening.

Here’s a follow-up:

According to NBC DFW, police say they believe they have confined a gunman to a building and are currently negotiating with him.

Flying Squid
Hudson Hongo
7/07/16 10:41pm

As always, violence begets violence begets violence. Where does it end?

hahafukcavallari
Flying Squid
7/07/16 10:42pm

when authority figures stop killing people?

Endless Supply of Cynicism
Flying Squid
7/07/16 10:42pm

When everyone has a gun. I’ve been told that more guns make society more polite.
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toothpetard
Flying Squid
7/07/16 10:42pm

http://gawker.com/reports-multiple-shots-fired-at-police-protest-in-dall-1783314418

MissEB47
MissEB47
5 years ago

Handsome Jack- Yeah, fuck cops. What the hell made them think they had the right to arrest a four year old?! That is some fucked up shit right there. It is bad enough that they killed someone she loved in front of her, but for them to arrest her and lock her up alone…well, that’s shit sauce on a shit sundae.

Bryce
Bryce
5 years ago

10 police officers shot (3 dead) during a BLM demonstration in Dallas.

Kylo Ronin
Kylo Ronin
5 years ago

I hate this year so fucking much.

Even if I don’t know all of you personally, I hope you are all in a safe place and with friends and family nearby. Hug them and tell them that you love them.

Flora
Flora
5 years ago

@George SJW Bush

What the hell is wrong with you? Nobody is wishing death on cops. Not wanting innocent black civilians to be murdered does not equal wanting innocent cops to be murdered.

leftwingfox
leftwingfox
5 years ago

Oh shit oh shit oh shit… this is going to be very bad.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

George SJW Bush,

No. Don’t even.

It’s never okay to murder in retaliation. Even setting that aside, all it’s going to do is give cops even more of an excuse to commit brutality against marginalized populations. There’s no good here.

I don’t know if you’re being an ass in a sincere way or if you’re playing gotcha troll, but stop.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Nthing the sentiment of “No, let’s not cheer for the murder of police officers”.

I’d rather see the corrupt murderers amongst them stand trial.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
5 years ago

@George SJW Bush
Obvious troll is obvious. Go somewhere else. Despite what you might think not everyone is as bloodthirsty as you.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

@WWTH

Having seen SJW Bush’s earlier posts, they’re definitely a gotcha troll.

Presumably, they’re ramping up the awfulness since their other attempts were barely even noticed.

JCfromNC
JCfromNC
5 years ago

@Mikkay

Any reputable cop would have taken her phone away before murdering her unarmed boyfriend right in front of her

I know this is sarcasm, but actually, he was armed. He just hadn’t made, and as far as we know, had no intention of making, any attempt to draw his weapon. So, maybe technically unarmed, in that he didn’t have his weapon readied.

@Kat

So the cop approaches Philando Castile and Diamond Reynolds about a broken tail light and tells them to put their hands in the air?

@weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

I’ve seen people on other sites from out of state try to spin it as the cop being terrified because it’s a bad neighborhood.

This reply relates to both of these: A “better” argument would be that, assuming the car was registered in Philando’s name, that when the officer ran the registration on his MDT, the record came back flagged that Philando had a permit to carry, and was therefore likely to be armed. Of course, the same check would also come back with a notable lack of any criminal charges, so that was still no excuse to come up on the car with gun drawn and sounding like he was fucking hysterical from the get-go, and then shooting the man when he stated he was reaching for his wallet and ID.
So, yeah — a reasonable expectation that one or more of the occupants of the car are armed is a reason to come with weapon drawn, but not so much when they’re legally potentially armed and have no records. Unless, you know, they’re “thugs,” apparently. (spits)

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

The scary thing is, this must have been planned. He knew where to go to take shots. He must have had some sort of military or law enforcement training to accurately shoot only police. It doesn’t sound like civilians were shot. Was he waiting for some time to another incident to spark protests so he could do this?

There’s no way this is a protester spontaneously getting riled up.

I’m just relieved the police actually went after the suspect and didn’t start spraying bullets into the crowd.

Handsome "These Pretzels Suck" Jack (formerly Pandapool)

Good riddance to the cops they shot in Dallas. Someone needs to show these pigs that the people won’t stand to be slaughtered any longer.

Dude, no.

I’ve read the shooter aren’t affiliated with BLM. In fact, it was a very peaceful protest in which the cops were taking pictures with the protesters, several which were Tweeted out. The shooting didn’t start until after the protest was over and people were heading back to their cars.

If anything, the snipers are probably white and saw a peaceful protest and decided to take matters into their own hands. There’s even been a bomb threat although not much details have come out from the bits I saw.

So, yeah, cops are fucking awful but no one deserves to die over this, at the very least, not the cops that were shot.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@George SJW Bush
Agent provocateur: It’s not just for breakfast anymore.

Mortarius
Mortarius
5 years ago

http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/armed-white-people-survive-cops/

It’s almost never impossible for the police to resolve an incident without killing.

The only difference is race.

Bryce
Bryce
5 years ago

Wouldn’t be surprised if the snipers were white supremacists.

GiJoel
GiJoel
5 years ago

Waiting for the mentally ill rumba from gun fondlers.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

You already know not to take someone seriously when they call cops ‘pigs’ in 2016

Anyway, as if it couldn’t get any worse, former US Congressperson Joe Walsh, just kinda sorta threatened the President over the Dallas shooting. He’s been a giant racist for some time, so nobody’s surprised…
Hope this embeds

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
5 years ago

The way some people have jumped at accusing the BLM protesters as being the group that the snipers are part of makes me physically ill.

Maybe humans are too detrimental to each other, the planet, and all other life on it to not become extinct. Maybe a catastrophic eruption of multiple super-vocanoes and a few dozen meteors are what we deserve.

MissEB47
MissEB47
5 years ago

Bryce-It wouldn’t surprise me, either. This is very out of character of the BLM movement, they are usually very peaceful. The greatest predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. Since they have been very peaceful in the past, it is very unlikely that they are responsible for the deaths of these police officers. It is very possible that this was either someone unaffiliated with the BLM movement, or a white supremacist trying it incite violence and worsen tensions between the black community and police.

Also, it is great that some Dallas police officers are not shy about showing their support the BLM cause. It gives me hope.

Handsome "These Pretzels Suck" Jack (formerly Pandapool)

Anyway, as if it couldn’t get any worse, former US Congressperson Joe Walsh, just kinda sorta threatened the President over the Dallas shooting. He’s been a giant racist for some time, so nobody’s surprised…

http://66.media.tumblr.com/e8ac8febfcebeb4124874538424453b5/tumblr_o1eyox6IIU1u5mdgro2_400.gif

As a white person, can I ask, what is it with white people wanting to start race wars? Did I miss a memo or something? Why? I mean, I guess I know WHY but, like…why?

Also, has it been confirmed that the shooters were white then?

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

The police were circulating a picture of a person of interest who was black, open carrying and wearing a camo print tee shirt, but he turned out to have nothing to do with it.

They have actual suspects in custody now but there aren’t details about them yet other than apparently there are two men and one woman who aren’t cooperating. At least according to that Gawker post linked above which is updating as news comes in.

I’m reluctant to speculate on the race of the killers myself.

MissEB47
MissEB47
5 years ago

msexceptiontotherule

The way some people have jumped at accusing the BLM protesters as being the group that the snipers are part of makes me physically ill.

Maybe humans are too detrimental to each other, the planet, and all other life on it to not become extinct. Maybe a catastrophic eruption of multiple super-vocanoes and a few dozen meteors are what we deserve.

If I disagree, the human race does not deserve that. If catastrophic eruption of multiple super-volcanoes and a few dozen meteors destroy Earth, it would be a tragedy, not justice. The human race does not deserve to be exterminated because of the actions of a few aresholes. The world is full of people trying to make the world a better place. The Black Lives Matter movement is proof of that. That ‘nuke everything’ attitude is part of the problem. It shows a disregard for human life. Seeing the lives of fellow human beings as something that has little or no value makes committing acts of violence much easier. If people cared more about human life, most this shit wouldn’t happen.

Handsome "These Pretzels Suck" Jack (formerly Pandapool)

apparently there are two men and one woman who aren’t cooperating.

“White then,” I say, half jesting, half exhausted.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Here’s more from the CNN coverage

Dallas police have been negotiating and exchanging gunfire with a suspect at a parking garage in downtown for 45 minutes, he said.

— “The suspect has told our negotiators that the end is coming,” he said.

— The suspect told negotiators more officers are going to be hurt, and added that there are bombs placed in downtown Dallas.

So yeah, definitely a planned terrorism kind of thing.

Diptych
Diptych
5 years ago

“Dallas police chief David Brown said earlier that at least two snipers had shot at officers “from elevated positions”.

Brown said the snipers appeared to have positioned themselves on perches at downtown garages during an orchestrated attack and “planned to injure and kill as many law enforcement officers as they could”.

In the most recent news conference, Brown said police now believed four people – three in custody, one in a standoff with officers – could have coordinated the attack.

[…]

Brown said the suspect had told them:

The end is coming and he’s going to hurt and kill more of us – meaning law enforcement – and that there are bombs all over the place in this garage and in downtown.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/jul/07/dallas-protest-police-shooting-live

From the limited information available, sounds like an organised terror attack – and, if that “the end is coming” part is a direct quote, well, it sounds like the have some sort of apocalyptic beliefs? End of the world, race war, mass uprising? But it might be incorrect or out of context, of course.

MissEB47
MissEB47
5 years ago

I am reluctant to speculate about the race of the perpetrator, too. But it is more likely that it is someone unaffiliated with the Black Lives Matter Movement.

littleknown
littleknown
5 years ago

@Handsome Jack

No, it has not been confirmed.

One of the apprehended suspects did apparently rant about how he was going to “hurt and kill” more law enforcement, that he had planted bombs downtown, and that “the end is coming”.

In the latest press conference, the Police Chief said they would look into whether they had any connection with the rally planners. (Sigh.)

And the DallasPD Twitter also tweeted an image of a black man carrying an assault rifle during the protest as a “suspect” they needed help finding. The internet quickly found a video of him just mingling with the crowd immediately after the shooting. Turns out he was completely innocent (just guilty of following Texas’s ridiculous open carry policies at a bad time), but now his face is out there as a “suspect”.

Police also stopped two brothers on the highway — “Driver at traffic stop on 35&Kiest says he was just picking his brother up from bus station downtown when DPD chased them down.” They were released, and luckily for them, their faces weren’t plastered all over the internet.

EDIT: Oops, ninja’d.

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
5 years ago

@saphira

Dang! That is scary. I had something similar (but much less traumatic and much more quickly resolved) happen to me as well. Wrong ID, wrong address. I don’t know how they managed to mess up the address because I had painted a big number on the door that he’d had to knock on. But anyway, pointing to the number got it solved.

Did you get an apology?

I’ve been harassed by the police (I’m a white woman) in the US.

There is definitely, definitely – not denying or minimising it – a problem with US police and race. But there is a problem with policing culture in general and a problem with gun culture.

Philando Castile was carrying. His gun didn’t protect him. His gun plus rotten policing plus racism got him murdered. It’s true that white guys carry all the time and don’t get killed*, so his gun was only a part of the equation. But it is absolutely part of the problem.

British policing is by NO means perfect. Not at all. But the last time a cop knocked on my door in London he was a neighbourhood patrol, I knew him by his first name and he was letting me know that I had left a window down on my car. Because I’m American, it still made me nervous as fuck seeing a cop at my door.

____
*well, actually they do – but not at the same rate – https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/31/the-counted-police-killings-2015-young-black-men

MissEB47
MissEB47
5 years ago

“The suspect has told our negotiators that the end is coming,” he said.

Yep. Apocalyptic beliefs are very dangerous. This is what happens when ‘the human race is evil and must be exterminated’ attitudes are taken to the extreme. Misanthropy kills, just like misogyny and racism kills and is just as bad.

littleknown
littleknown
5 years ago

You know, here I am, someone who thinks the BLM movement is important, and all I can think about are the kids who no longer have a mom or dad after tonight.

And in other corners of the internet, the world’s worst people are once again absolutely giddy, patting each other on the back, and taking victory laps.

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
5 years ago

This is very out of character of the BLM movement, they are usually very peaceful.

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
5 years ago

This is very out of character of the BLM movement, they are usually very peaceful.

And it looks very much as though the police were doing their serve the public function. One report, in The Guardian I think, has one BLM protestor saying that a cop pulled him and others out of the way when they heard the first shots fired, then the cop went towards the apparent danger area.

Far too early to speculate about whether the cops were the only target all along, or were targeted in the way that some terrorists make an initial attack and then go for the emergency and security people who respond.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@Jack

As a white person, can I ask

Yes, you may 🙂

what is it with white people wanting to start race wars?

If it fails, you’re an idiot. If it works, you’re a genius… Does it work tho? Cos, going back the past few hundred years of history, white people starting race wars usually works out for y’all. What’s the white people, race war scoreboard lookin like at this point? Like, outside of a slight hiccup with the Ottomans, that’s a damn good record
I mean, the last war everybody’s cool with was WWII. Most people agree the Nazis were worth fighting, right? Unfortunately for the racistly inclined, the Nazis were white guys. Now we’re in the Mideast, killing brown people per yoozh, but everyone hates it. Racists are, to say the least, more than a tad confused
‘Remember when we carved up Africa and called our conquest of the darker Asians the East India Trading Company? Remember the Opium War and the Crusades? Pepperidge Farm remembers.’
Race wars used to be just, like, on the regular. Some people still need their ‘good old days’ fix. Even if those ‘good old days’ were before toilets and refrigeration

ETA: Sorry for the rambling and the coping humor 🙂

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
5 years ago

@Axecalibur
If I may add to that the Vietnam war also the prerequisite for deconstructing the idea that the white man was the natural lord and conqueror and everything is hunky dory. Same thing happened in middle east and everyone hates it. Now there’s this global trade and internet where you can’t outwardly conquer or else everyone will kill your economy and everyone would know about it.

The racists no longer have a defined race war that ultimately benefits them. Instigation of individuals is met with outcry and prosecution rather than the silent approval of society. More and more people are of mixed race, gender and such and are met with general acceptance rather than shame/mockery much to the dismay of the racists.

Even those in position of power are less able to be outwardly racist and instead have to use covert language in order to appeal to the racist voting base, or be blatant enough to make everyone else wary of their agenda.

Plus what I see in the good old days view is the same thing of their own “individual exceptionalism” in all manosphere and other forms of misogyny/misanthropy/bigotry, even though THEY specifically aren’t the ones who are the lords and conquerors, they believe that to be theirs by birthright.

It’s incredibly repetitive on how recyclable this framing device is used in all forms of discrimination, especially when reading through articles on this site.

occasional reader
occasional reader
5 years ago

This is becoming some kind of a powder keg, and some people try to send sparks to the wick. I do not know if there is something/one behind that (i am not keen on conspiracy theories), it looks more like pure opportunism, brought out by persons with extreme views and ways of thinking who maybe expect some kind of snowball effect.
Hope this will never work.

authorialAlchemy
authorialAlchemy
5 years ago

I can’t wrap my mind around the idea that hate crimes and related evils are hoaxes and conspiracies, especially when someone actually dies.

Also, I’ve been thinking. All lgbt+ people were, are, and could be victims of police violence. So both groups, which are not inherently separate in the first place, really ought to be on this solidarity thing. White queer people in particular, and we need to recognize we still have problems with the police. #LGBTLivesMatter, #QPOCLivesMatter.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
5 years ago

That sniper story is just as horrible as all thoses random black killed, maimed, or injustly imprisoned. That’s unbelievably fucked up, and it look like the beginning of a violence escalation.

I would not want to be a black man in Dallas. That won’t improve anything :/

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
5 years ago

@cyberwulf : so that cops feel even more justified in killing people just in case, so that Trump feel validated in the eye of “on-the-fence” people, and so that the black live matter movement have trouble.

Good job ! Thoses guys have made the clusterfuck even worse !

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@Oogly
Can always count on you for the Vietnam knowledge drop 😃! And everything else is spot on too

@Cyberwulf

Only a matter of time before someone decided to make them pay

Hmm, interesting… Did I say ‘interesting’? Sorry, I misspoke. I meant to say ‘shut the fuck up’

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
5 years ago

@David Futrelle
Dang it I just missed the other gotcha troll.

But on a more serious note I hope that when more reliable sources come out we can all have a nuanced discussion on the events that transpired.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
5 years ago

I *also* have to convince a group of white frenchmen that there is a scandal behind the various black killing that launched #BlackLiveMatter.

“Justice did its work, they should not complain, beside punishing thoses policers would only make the family more mad”

I need a drink.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
5 years ago

I promised I would celebrate the day Cyberwulf finally got banned. Now I feel like it’s not a good time to celebrate anything. Maybe tomorrow.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
5 years ago

@MissEB47

Forgive me, sometimes things just seem so…hopeless and pointless.