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Is Return of Kings seriously suggesting that the best way to improve the lives of men today is to send a big chunk of them to die violent deaths in unnecessary wars?
It sure looks like it. In a post with the typically Return-of-Kingsy clickbait title “8 Factors That Are Destroying Healthy Relationships Between Men And Women,” regular RoK contributor Corey Savage seems to argue that the only way to restore the proper, er, balance between men and their naturally subordinate female companions is to kill off a lot of men.
Because we have “too few wars [and] too many men,” Savage declares, men have to work harder to impress women than they would if women dramatically outnumbered men. This “[e]xcess of men,” he complains. “means that the collective value of average men has dropped to a historical low.”
So, crank up that war machine, I guess!
How, you may wonder, did Savage manage to arrive at this, let call it provocative, conclusion?
As Savage sees it, the “continuing transformation of our society” has led “something [to go] awry with the relationship between men and women.”
In the good old days, Savage argues, men and women had a wonderfully symbiotic relationship — much like we humans have with horses.
No, really. Horses.
All relationships work best when two parties have something different to share for their mutual benefit. For example, humans and horses have enjoyed a close relationship together throughout history (unlike, say, humans and bears). The relationship works because in exchange for food, protection, and care that humans provide, the horses offer themselves as transportation.
Men and women used to have a similarly healthy partnership. Men provided women with food and shelter and the women, er, let the men ride them, as it were.
The relationship between men and women was also mutually beneficial for the entirety of human existence with men offering their services in exchange for having the women bear their children.
But no longer! Gone are the days when men hunted the mammoth and did all those other nice things for their once-grateful womenfolk.
Men have always provided for women. Men hunted for food, labored to build everything, and fought battles to defend their tribe. To say that men oppressed women throughout history is an insult to all those who sacrificed themselves in the factories, the coal mines, and the trenches. If women didn’t have certain rights that feminists like to cherry-pick, it’s because women weren’t drafted to fight wars. In exchange for their toil, the only thing men asked of women was to be supportive in their roles as wives and mothers.
Then “equality” came around and ruined things by allowing women a choice in the matter.
[F]ast-forward to today, now that women have “achieved” social and political “equality” and even various advantages just for being born a female, many women today no longer feel that it’s necessary to exchange values with men for mutuality. It’s like when humans developed automobiles and didn’t need horses anymore.
Well, no, If we go back to Savage’s original horse metaphor, it’s as though the horses got jobs and could pay their own bills without having to give people any rides.
And this is deeply unfair to all the men who would really like to keep riding the women. “[M]en’s sexual desire—which is greater than that of females—is still alive and kicking,” Savage complains.
So what we have today is a situation where women have gotten their social equality while sexual inequality persists for men … .
Yep. Men and their long-suffering boners are oppressed by the fact that women can say no to sex without starving to death.
Western women, in particular, have been so thoroughly sold on the idea of status and consumerist orgy that they are no longer interested in relationships. More and more women today are delaying marriage (if not outright rejecting it). And when they do get married, they are using it as a means to trap men into donating their sperm and cash, only to bail out when they want to.
Meanwhile, Savage complains, these evil ladies have all become sluts, despite not being interested in sex with men, thus “diminishing the availability of quality women that men want to start a family with.”
And did we mention Big Daddy government? In the happier days of yore, Savage reminds us,
men form[ed] relationships with women by exchanging values, with his strength to provide and protect being his greatest asset.
But now women can just suckle from the teat of, er, Big Daddy government.
[T]he government (along with corporations and education system) fulfills those roles that men previously occupied.
And even when the men of today manage to cajole one of these modern females into marriage, these ungrateful ladies will falsely accuse them of domestic violence to get them out of the way, leading Big Daddy government to send along teams of “professional white-knights” — otherwise known as police officers — “to extort and arrest men who’ve been used up and thrown away by women.”
It’s just terrible, Savage complains, that “the government is increasingly monopolizing violence, one of the most important value that a man possesses.”
Is he actually complaining that men don’t get to beat up their wives and girlfriends any more? Savage is such a bad writer that it’s impossible to tell.
But let’s set aside this question for a moment, because it’s at this point that Savage gets to the whole kill-dudes-to-make-life-better-for-dudes argument.
Back in the days when men were men and women were horses, Savage tells us, the world was a much more violent place. And that was apparently a very good thing: “[T]he more violent the environment is, the more masculine men become,” Savage writes.
And the more conflicts and wars there are, the more the women depend on men—thus keeping the collective value of [the] male population high.
Alas, those happily violent days are gone now.
It’s no coincidence that Western societies have started to feminize as they endured decades of relative peace since the end of WWII.
Dude, you do realize that the US has been in five wars (and involved in countless other conflicts) since the end of WWII, right? Is the problem that not enough men died in these wars?
The lack of warfare also means that there are now more young men per woman (practically 1 to 1) than there normally would have been under a warring society.
Huh. I guess Savage really does wish more men had died. Of course, one of the reasons the more recent wars that the US has been involved in have been less deadly, at least for Americans, is that we’ve gotten better at treating war injuries. Damn those military doctors for saving so many lives!
Excess of men—who are also emasculated and feminized—means that the collective value of average men has dropped to a historical low, upsetting the balance of sexual marketplace in the process.
Maybe this is why all these manosphere guys are so gung-ho for Trump. He would definitely get us into more wars.
Savage wraps up his portrait of today’s insufficiently violent gyno-dystopia by complaining that women are getting fat.
Many Western women have been corrupted by our toxic materialist society. They are fatter, uglier, more narcissistic, more entitled, hedonistic, superficial, less faithful, and seem to think that having bitch attitude makes them hip.
Not only that but some of these fat ugly ladies aren’t interested in having constant sex with us guys!
Women can afford to stoop low because their sex drive isn’t the same as men’s, while they couldn’t care less for love and companionship when they’re too busy with their travels and careers.
WHY OH WHY DON’T THESE UGLY WOMEN WE HATE WANT TO BE WITH US?
And because of all the thirsty men, women’s collective sexual market value hardly suffers while the value of those who are merely average becomes inflated beyond their real value.
Clearly, we’re long overdue for a truly devastating man-killing war. Apparently. only the death of hundreds of thousands of men will make Corey Savage’s boner happy again.
I’m actually getting seriously pissed off now. I was distracted and pleased by the nice storm outside so I only felt mild contempt. But now I’m livid. Hasn’t this fuckface at least seen a picture of the Vietnam War Memorial if he hasn’t been there in person?
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Look at all those names. And that’s not including all the civilian deaths and all soldiers from other countries that died. That this kind of death toll is an acceptable price to pay to get an HB10 on “Corey Savage’s” penis is just unspeakably disgusting.
I went to DC during the lead up to the Iraq war. One of the things I visited was the Vietnam War Memorial. From the site I had a clear view of the Capital building. I looked at the building and thought about how the people inside of it worked right next to all these memorials and still didn’t give two shits that they were about to doom so many soldiers and civilians to die for no good reason. How had we not learned from Vietnam? I was so horrified, disgusted, and sad that I cried. I’m getting teary thinking of it now since the prediction that those of us who were against the war made – that all these people would die for nothing – did come to pass. How fucking dare this Corey Savage piece of shit wish even more on this on other people?
Corey, on the off chance that you are reading, I suggest you go to the comments section of the previous post. Read all those curses. You deserve all of them. All of them and more.
And I hope you never again accuse any feminist of being a misandrist. Because what you’re saying is so much worse than any feminist I’ve ever met has ever wished on men.
Fuck you!
So it doesn’t make us ‘hip’, but you haven’t told us if it makes us ‘fly’, ‘fresh’, or ‘happening’.
I’m just gonna drop by to comment on the “Government is increasingly monopolizing violence” bit.
Because, yes, the government has either an actual or virtual monopoly on violence. Any government that does not tends not to stay the government for long.
Like, this is Poli Sci 101. The basic function of government is the concentration and monopoly of force.
We should just start calling Corey “Jody”. (Vets– or at least people familiar with the military– of a certain age will know what I’m referring to.)
@Angela – It’s a very valid point. I remember reading many years ago that the City Fathers in some part of Wales were appalled because women were working in the local mines. They passed an ordinance forbidding female mine workers. Problem solved, right!
Well no. This was a poor mining district where people had little education and there were virtually no other job prospects for men or women. So since women needed their jobs they were forced to dress as men (wrapping coats around themselves even in summer) to disguise their gender. It must have been hell!
Of course everyone knew what was going on but the authorities didn’t give a shit as long as the hypocritical proprieties were upheld. The thing is the conditions in the mines were wretched for everyone. The town officials could have done something to improve the health and safety of all miners but that would have cost the mine owners money so the hell with that.
I’ve read an argument that goes that the Black Death, killing two thirds of Europeans, ushered in an era of prosperity: the survivors did great with all that spare land around! Similarly, population declines in Western Europe at the end of the Roman Empire show up in subsequent generations as healthier people.
Sucks to be the losers though.
@David
I’ve started having issues with the site when I use Chrome on my desktop where ads start autoplaying sound and it becomes extremely slow to the point where it locks up and I can’t scroll for several seconds. I suspect it’s Taboola because Ghostery tells me that one has videos. I did a quick performance profile in Chrome and all I found was that a) flash is causing it, and b) someone out there still uses flash. It’s not all of the time, so I suspect it’s just one bad ad, but since I can’t scroll when it happens I can’t tell you which ad, unfortunately.
@Nequam – Heh! Though, unlike Jody, Savage isn’t going to be making off with anyone’s wife. He’s just a chickenshit shopping mall commando who thinks his precious dick is worth more than the millions upon millions of lives that have been snuffed out by war.
There is nothing manly or uplifting about battle. It’s chaotic and hellish, and people who romanticize it have no idea what they’re talking about. In an actual combat situation, guaranteed he’d crap himself, and/or do something stupid that endangers the entire unit.
What an odd choice of words. Reminds me of that Onion headline following Bush the Lesser’s election: “Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Over”.
I have an idea for this twit. Please allow him to be the first to jump on the back of a horse that hasn’t been saddle trained yet. Then he can tell everyone about how obedient and docile horses “naturally” are. Not that it would have anything to do with women but it would be funny.
So, he basically wants to guilt trip women into sexual slavery, by waging wars created by himself, arguing that he is “protecting them”?
And this is a group of people that also say that women are manipulative bitches?
Trully, the apex of logic, these manly men are.
Also, in case he doesn’t know, horses didn’t sign contracts. they were enslaved. He would know that if he tought just a little bit.
Also, he forgets that women’s emancipation started by their increase of power due to the shortage of working-age men due to the Great World Wars. It would have a good result for his aims indeed.
The latest Boys’ Own Adventure: The Amazing Adventures of Corey “Savage”, Kyle “Trouble”, and their good friends Tom “FEAR ME”, Steven “I’m the one your mother warned you about”, Colin “Too cool for school”, Wendell “I luv boobs”, and others!
They lived outside history, beyond reality, away from critical thought, somewhere to the right of Actual Human Beings…
http://www.geekspeakmagazine.com/archive/issue11/images/features/agathaheterodyne/HBOYSWEB_01.jpg
http://www.littlestourbooks.com/covers/78086.jpg
As I watch the rise of right wing authoritarianism all across the world, the EU starting to fracture, and people like Donald Trump even remotely having a shot at the most powerful single political position on the planet, I’m reminded of what the world looked like shortly before the start of WWII.
and can only concur, albeit for reasons that are based on actual observation and history instead of insanity, that we indeed might be heading for such a war in the near future.
*sigh*
Re the fantasized horse transactions, I keep thinking of Stross’ “Equoid”.
OK, what the heck? How do these guys go on and on about men and their sex drives being so much bigger than women’s and then go on to say this (from the full “article”):
Did it ever once in their manlogical manbrains occur to them that maaaaybe women’s sexdrive isn’t so different? That when given the opportunity… like contraception and being given more sexual freedom, women will you know… Be more willing to act on their desire to have sex?
Ha ha no of course not. Women are objects, and objects acting beyond their prescribed function are baaad. Like your toaster deciding when it wants to toast things, or maybe it wants to juice some things. It’s chaos.
Of course his whole bit requires us lesbians to not exist… (but that’s par for the course.)
Aaaand Let’s see. He brings up men’s roles as protectors of women… from other men who aren’t protectors of women (or maybe they just protect their own women from the first group of men). Women never worked dangerous jobs even though they totally did. Wars! Because women didn’t die in wars… I think this guy’s post filled out the entire misogynist\misanderer bingo card!
Pardon me for yelling but
NOT THAT MANY MEN WORKED IN THE COAL MINES!
God, let that shit go. And this cocktrumpet wouldn’t have lasted three minutes in a coalmine before crying to go home.
@Mish
Heterodyne sounds like if Cyberdyne from Terminator was built by RoK. They are super into war and robots. PUA terminators would be a macho bodybuilder, one with oddly phallic arm swords, and an HB10 with expanding boobs, wouldn’t they? And the central female character in the series is defined/valued entirely by her ability to give birth to the hero Roosh&co. think they are. Hmm… Well, considering these people think the Matrix is a good story to base their perfect world around, why not another techno post apocalypse?
HeinzD
And they’re wrong too. There was a joke in eastern Europe that when american women were fighting to get into the mines, the women there were fighting to get out.
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger:
that Heterodyne one is from the comic Girl Genius and those two guys are the main character’s heroic father and Uncle back when they had their many adventures. Agatha is the current Heterodyne on her own heroic adventures!
Incredibly OT but;
Next morning I’m going to head to the family doctor with my parents to see if I should seek therapy and possibly psychological help. My family is kind of sick of me so they want to know whether or not my quirks are attributable to a mental disorder. I feel knots in my stomach as the gears in my head are turning with all the words I should say and the scenarios that are playing out. But overall at the moment nothing really feels fun anymore.
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger:
that Heterodyne one is from the comic Girl Genius and those two guys are the main character’s heroic father and Uncle back when they had their many adventures. Agatha is the current Heterodyne on her own heroic adventures!
I bet “bitch attitude” means sexually rejecting these RoK losers as well as generally not always being pleasant, self-sacrificing, submissive and compliant the way girls and women have been socialized to be for most of history.
@Ooglyboggles – sending good wishes. Not a nice place to be. Let me know if you need someone to talk to, but no pressure. I hope you’re ok. Is the doctor a good one?
@Mish
Just stressed out. The worst part is that I don’t even know if this family doctor is the type to be aware of mental disorders. So I can’t tell if my quirks are just me being sane or how much is it a mental disorder, or maybe he gets it wrong about me being with/without a disorder. Any of the possibilities frightens me.
It’s awash with emotions in me, I know for certain that there’s something a bit different about me from others that makes some people exasperated with me. But the one where it’s just me being a lazy, unmotivated socially deficient person and I’m okay mentally speaking, or I do have some problem that’s affecting me but not enough to affect me, or it really affects me, any of those worry me.
And to think just a bit before me mum called I was actually enjoying myself.
@Oogly, how utterly awful. On multiple levels. That’s a huge burden to be dealing with. Sorting out those possibilities really needs someone who can help you achieve clarity. That someone may be a psych., or a counsellor. It certainly may be more than a family doctor can deal with (which is no judgement on the doctor, by the way).
Are you ok with this involving your parents? This is another important question. If they’re supportive, it can help a lot. If not, it can make you feel that you can’t be completely honest about what you’re going through.
Where does the “unmotivated socially deficient” assessment come from? And what is it that exasperates people about you?
If (emphasising the ‘if’) you do actually have mental health issues, it doesn’t have to be scary, as long as you have the right help and support. It can even be a relief, in a way.
I’m wary of saying too much more, and I’m really sorry if I’ve (a) told you stuff you already know very well, or (b) gone into too much detail and asked too many questions.
Take good care 🙂
@Mish
At least I know that that doctor isn’t going to be mentally diagnosing me. He’ll probably just recommend some therapist for me to visit. If he thinks that’s his place to judge.
Honestly I don’t think I want my parents there. I don’t think I can be honest with them around for something like this. To be perfectly honest I’d rather prefer to stay away from family as much as I can.
“Unmotivated socially deficient” is exactly what it entails. Can’t make friends easily, have little to no desire to go outside, if I don’t have constant facial contact with people like friends I very quickly lose interest in contacting them. I can range from obsessive in my pursuit of my interests and stubborn to a fault then when faced with multiple failures immediately enter a slump I can’t get out of for hours and hours.
My random laughs where I remember something humorous annoys those around me, I’m incredibly irritable at times with people I don’t like, more so when I can’t argue back, even more so if you force me into a religious institution where all I can think up of is ways an all powerful being desires bone cancer in infants can be considered a good thing.
Sometimes when I end up with my few friends I see constantly try to see ways I can help and feel shame when I can’t help, and worse when I need help.
When around my parents I don’t feel safe and happy, I feel on edge. I’ve never been slapped. I’ve never been hit. I just always feel on edge. I don’t want to watch TV with them, I always end up finding stuff that makes me mad. I don’t want to watch their films where the people are so racist the cast left halfway through the production and we all take offense to that. Both of them work long hours so naturally I never see a “nice side.” I just don’t want to be around, and if I have to I don’t want to say anything because the alternative is fighting someone who has financial hold over me. Which is why my one goal is achieving financial independence.
I sometimes feel like I just annoy others with how their responses to me is just frustration like how sometimes my efforts just don’t work out.
So, wouldn’t the “”alphas” be fighting the war? Wouldn’t that make Savage a “”beta “cucking” all the alphas?