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War breaks out between real cuckolds and the Nazi douchebags who call everyone “cucks”

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Like a lot of people, I’ve watched with a mixture of amusement and incredulity over the past year or so as the term “cuck” has become the insult of choice amongst the Anime Nazis and assorted other miscreants who make up the resurgent far right.

Borrowed from racialized cuckold porn — in which (white) porn husbands watch in aroused horror as their (white) porn wives have sex with more virile black men — the term “cuck” is used to suggest that the recipient of the insult is effete, even effeminate, basically a big fat pussy with a bit of “race traitor” added into the mix.

The word is to alt-right racists what “mangina” is to MRAs. And, much like “mangina,” it’s a consummately ineffective insult. Aside from a few movement conservatives who bristled a bit at being called “cuckservatives,” most of those on the receiving end of the insult see it as being about as meaningful as the clucking of a chicken.

But there is one group of people who have something of a proprietary interest in the term “cuck,” and who aren’t exactly overjoyed that the term has been turned into a Twitter taunt: the actual cuckold fetishists who get off on the complex and kinky psychosexual drama of cuckolding. 

Earlier this week, Vice treated us to an interview with “Dave,” a “Southern California entrepreneur and part-time ‘alpha cuck’ in his mid-forties” who is a little peeved that his sexual identity has become an insult.

“They don’t know what [cuck] means within the scene,” he told Vice’s Mike Pearl. “They believe it means inferior. They don’t realize that there certainly are a lot of alpha cucks out there,” guys who enjoy watching their wife or girlfriend with other men but who aren’t interested (mildly NSFW link) in the ritual humiliation of the cuck that gives many cuck fetishists their big sexual charge.

Naturally, the Alt-Right Knights Who Say Cuck find the very notion of “alpha cuckoldry” risible. On the blog 28 Sherman, reactionary racist blogger Ryan Landry responds to the Vice piece with an intermittently coherent rant expressing his no doubt futile hopes that the use of “cuck” as an insult could drive “sick” cucks back into the sexual shadows where they belong.

“Cucks have existed for a long time,” he argues,

but if your society even grants them a neutral approach or tolerance, it is deeply in decline.

The use of cuck as an insult crushes the literal cucks’ mindset because this destroys whatever fake status they are accruing. … By using cuck as an insult, it pierces the bubble these weak f*ggots have of their choices and their sexual depravity. 

Huh. I don’t think “alpha cuck” Dave sounded much like someone who’d just had his bubble “pierced” or his mindset “crushed.” He sounded, at least to me, just sort of annoyed.

Landry continues on in much the same vein, suggesting that “cuck” has caught on as an insult because it’s no longer socially acceptable to call someone a “f*ggot.”

These people are a symptom of a sick society. These people should not be glorified or open about their deviancy. They should have to hide their depraved lifestyle. Does anyone know if Muslims throw cucks off rooftops? Even Psychology Today wrote how there is an underlying element of homosexuality in the cuck circles. I’ve mentioned before that literal cucks are a tiny number of men, and that people use it as an insult because f*ggot is not PC anymore. Whether you are getting banged by another man or letting another man bang your wife, sorry, but you’re a f*ggot in the true meaning of the word: a weak man deserving contempt.

It’s kind of amazing how worked up some people can get about the sexual activities of consenting adults.

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Meh
Meh
8 years ago

“Alpha cuck”? Seriously? That’s cucking hilarious. “Other men can screw my wife, but I’m the one whose REALLY IN CHARGE!”
Actually, not so much funny as just skin-crawlingly creepy.

Strykr5
Strykr5
8 years ago

@Ooglyboggles

*hyperventilates*
Warhammer reference? 0-0

littleknown
littleknown
8 years ago

Racist asshole wrote:

These people are a symptom of a sick society. These people should not be glorified or open about their deviancy. They should have to hide their depraved lifestyle. Does anyone know if Muslims throw cucks off rooftops?

And in a twist that surprises no one, the racist Mr. Landry starts fanboying over ISIS. So jelly he doesn’t get to throw queer people off of rooftops.

Strykr5
Strykr5
8 years ago

One more curious thing I noticed is that people who engage in cuckoldry don’t necessarily have to like black men engaging in sex with a white woman. I’ve met several black men who identify as cuckolds and engage in raceplay in which a white man has sex with his wife or girlfriend. Its a pretty broad and diverse kink with several kinds of variations that people engage in.

chiiillin
chiiillin
8 years ago

They… read Psychology Today? HOW?

(((Chiomara)))
(((Chiomara)))
8 years ago

Thoses nazis at least see porn only as a way to show and remember that women are properties, so they shame practices that don’t mesh well with that. And japanese porn, in my humble opinion, usually leave men in control and women as commodity.

Ugh, japanese porn. The most sure way to get me in a PTSD crisis.
Even if the porn is light, it always looks like the girl is extremely shy, young and weak, and is somehow being obligated to have sex. Their faces keep showing pain, confusion, helplessness and fear. Even in hentai, sometimes. Don’t get me wrong, I like BDSM, but both parties need to look VERY happy with everything that’s happening.
I don’t know if that’s how japanese porn is in general or I keep falling in the weird part of the internet, but when I see assholes saying “I prefer asians, because they’re tiny, delicate and submissive”, that’s the first thing I think about, and I think they watch this same porn. No wonder asian women run away from these types so hard. They’re not only kind of racist, they’re rapey too. I honestly think this is why there’s so much intersection between nazis, asian fetishizers, and anime fans.

occasional reader
occasional reader
8 years ago

I wait the day they have a slip of language and they laugh at Cuck Norris. After that, there will be high kicks everywhere in the alt-right…

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
8 years ago

@Chiomara : exactly. I am annoyed by how submissive they look in 90% of hentai porn.

I still prefer it to the western one, but some aspects aren’t defensible. Both have in common to overuse cliches, so that even when one isn’t actually abhorrent, it’s repeated ad nauseum.

On other news, Boris Johnson proved to be a coward and unwilling to assume the consequences of its act.

On other other news, the fact homeless who beg in my commute look factory-fabricated (including actual amputation) is unnerving me. I fear there is a mafia who mutilate people to make them better beggars in Paris.

dslucia
dslucia
8 years ago

So, OT, but:

I got into a bit of an argument last night, and I’m doubting of myself now.

Basically, I got into it with someone because I called somebody out for claiming that people don’t commit violent crimes out of hatred, they do it because they’re “crazy”. I told them that that’s wrong and wrongfully associates those with mental illnesses with murderers and rapists et al, and then someone jumped in to say that I was minimizing mental health problems with my claims that maybe there are societal causes for why people might grow up to hate a group of other people.

This second person seemed to be insistent that not only violent crime but also things such as homophobic homosexuals and misogynistic women must all be people suffering from mental instability, which I again held firm could be true but was incorrect simply and solely based on the fact that they hold prejudices, which caused them to rage at me about how I know nothing about mental health and they were scared that I would ever interact with people who are trying to remove the negative stigma from people who have mental illnesses.

I finished by rephrasing my initial point to say that mental illness doesn’t increase the chance of someone being a violent criminal, complete with links to illustrate the point, and that it’s unhelpful to assume a violent criminal is mentally ill simply because they committed a violent crime, though they never came back because I would assume they put me on ignore or something.

So now I’m mostly just wondering if I got something wrong along the way, because while I have extreme anxiety I’ve never really had to deal with the sort of societal discrimination that happens to people with mental illnesses, so I’m sure there’s still a lot that I’m ignorant about.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ dslucia

I’m mostly just wondering if I got something wrong along the way,

Nope, you haven’t. We covered many times here (with peer reviewed references) that there’s nothing to suggest a correlation between mental illness and violence/obnoxious behaviour.

Some people are just arseholes; it has nothing to do with their mental health.

pitshade
pitshade
8 years ago

I have suffered from depression and other issues for much of my life and while I can’t claim to be an expert I do have some perspective on the matter. I just want to say that mental illness is a thing in and of itself not a catchall category for things that someone doesn’t like or understand. Anyone using it that way is most certainly not advocating for, “trying to remove the negative stigma from people who have mental illnesses.” They are just throwing us under the bus.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
8 years ago

Also, “mental illness” is too large a term. There’s a serious amount of different illness, who in the mind of people are conflated into a big clump where somebody mentally ill is simultaneously stupid, a genius, a serial killer, a pedophiliac rapist, and an unstable ticking bomb.

Bina
Bina
8 years ago

Former clinical depressive here. The only person I’ve ever had a serious desire to kill was myself, and I was horrified with myself everytime I had a suicidal ideation, because I really didn’t want to die; I just wanted my suffering to end, somehow. And I’ve been well now for over 20 years. So I guess I’m a lousy example of how “crazy” = dangerous.

I must confess, though, that I can’t really get behind the hugging-pillow thing. Unless it’s one of these…

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…which I admit I do lust after, albeit nonsexually, because it seems like a terrific solution to both joint pains AND insomnia. And it looks like it would be lovely and warm in cold weather, too.

Saraphm
Saraphm
8 years ago

I always thought I would love a body pillow (without face), until my husband got me one of those fancy ones during my pregnancy. It was like fighting a really weak boa constrictor in my sleep every night, which is to say I would wrestle with it, get tangled up and eventually fling it off the bed. All is not lost, however, because my dog loves it.

peaches
peaches
8 years ago

Oh, mental illness stigma…

I had a work friend once, who, after I told her about my bipolar disorder, stopped showing up for work. Just like that. Never saw her again.

I admit hypomanias make me cranky, but that’s about it. I don’t hurt people, I just act like a dick. And like Bina, I only wanted to kill myself when severely depressed.

Meh
Meh
8 years ago

@dslucia
Some mentally unstable people commit vile and violent acts. So do some mentally stable people. Violence in itself isn’t enough to rule (in or out) mental stability (though it’s often used as a criminal defence).

Saying someone is “crazy” for doing something awful, does not, in itself, imply that ALL mentally unstable people do awful things. / Logic 101

Either you are committing the logical fallacy, or else you fear that others will. Either way, I think the essence of your correction, whilst well-intended, was incorrect in any sense other than the “political”.

dslucia
dslucia
8 years ago

@pitshade, Alan, & Ohlmann:

That’s sort of one of the reasons I spoke up to begin with. I kept pointing out that the only reason people immediately assume violent criminals are mentally unstable is so that they can be comfortable in their belief that “normal” people would never go out and shoot up a nightclub.

I even used an example of a recent mass murderer who was found to be sane and guilty in a court of law (this blog has covered him multiple times), and their only response was “psychology has died today.”

I dunno, it rattled me because I’m just kinda sick of seeing what the state of the (gaming) community has become, and I’m tired of seeing people act like they’re really liberal and progressive when they’re constantly regurgitating hard-right talking points.

@Bina:

That does look like a fairly comfortable pillow.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
8 years ago

Eh, I stopped working for two years because after being fired my depression prevented me from actually finding work. When it was finished, it was litteraly simpler to explain people I did a break to write a book than explaining I was out of a depression.

(“depression” might be a misnomer here. It never was diagnosed by a doctor ; and while it was potent enough to prevent me from convincingly seek a job, it wasn’t actually preventing most of my social and day-to-day functioning)

dslucia
dslucia
8 years ago

@Meh:

Saying someone is “crazy” for doing something awful, does not, in itself, imply that ALL mentally unstable people do awful things. / Logic 101

Nor does it help, though, so there’s no reason for the first response to a violent crime to be assuming that they were mentally unstable, which was mostly what I was trying to get at (I’ll admit that at that I might’ve failed).

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

Hey dslucia, thanks for standing up for mentally ill folks and for the victims of hate crimes. That can be really hard. I’m sorry the conversation didn’t go great.

pitshade
pitshade
8 years ago

Saying someone is “crazy” for doing something awful, does not, in itself, imply that ALL mentally unstable people do awful things. / Logic 101

And yet so many people infer that it does. People in general and I strongly suspect YOU in particular, don’t live their lives by pure reason and we in the real world have to deal with the fallout of that. So fuck off asshole.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ meh

Saying someone is “crazy” for doing something awful, does not, in itself, imply that ALL mentally unstable people do awful things

Unfortunately there will be that common theme you get with all marginalised people, that the individual is assumed to represent the group. (One girl sucks at maths = all girls suck at maths etc.)

So even in those rare cases where mental illness was a factor in offending, people will extrapolate to assume that all people sharing that characteristic will be prone to offending.

That’s why such comments are so unhelpful.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

There’s also the fact that mentally ill people are far more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators of it.

Aside from othering mentally ill folks and relying on the Just World fallacy, blaming mass shootings on “craziness” prevents any meaningful examination of the underlying cultural factors. How many “lone wolves” is it going to take before people start to notice patterns and common belief systems?

Congress won’t even fund research for the CDC to study the underlying causes of gun violence, because the NRA is afraid that the conclusions will be used to push for gun control. Can’t have science interfering with gun sales, after all. And, you know, it’s not like random deaths and maimings are a public health issue or anything.

Critical Dragon1177
8 years ago

David Futrelle,

Ryan Landry probably has nightmares about black men having sex with “his women” instead of him. Than again, given how so many homophobes turn out actually be self hating, repressed gays, maybe Landry is secretly turned on by black women.

Lexi
Lexi
8 years ago

Cuckold porn makes me really uncomfortable because of the massive racism in it, if you look at stuff like cuckoldlessions it perpetuates the racist stereotype of the “brute” , that is that black men are savage animals driven only primal sexual lust for white women.

Thats the same stereotype the kkk perpetuated to justify lynching