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America’s home-grown fascists are still giddy that some of their own managed to stab a bunch of leftists during the miniature riot that broke out at the Traditionalist Worker Party rally in Sacramento on Sunday.
The Daily Stormer, everybody’s favorite neo-Nazi internet tabloid, has declared “‘The Battle of Sacramento’ … the first major battle of the dawning race war in America” and “a decisive victory for the forces of good.”
Despite being vastly outnumbered by antifa (antifascist) counterprotesters, the Daily Stormer’s Andrew Anglin writes, “the nationalists prevailed.”
And by that he means that even though they retreated in a big hurry when faced with a much larger group of counterprotesters, many of them armed with bats and rocks, they managed to stab a bunch of people in the process.
Claiming that the racist skinheads who joined the rally alongside the TWP “took the weapons that the communists and colored brought to attack them with and used them against them,” Anglin revels in what he sees as an impressive stabbing ratio:
Five of the terrorists ended up stabbed and are now in the hospital.
Only one of our guys was stabbed.
This is a monumental victory, both symbolically and literally.
Anglin thinks that the bloody skirmish, stabbings and all, brought his side “good publicity,” adding that
the enemy is disheartened, looking weak, and I’m sure more than a few young White kids are hearing this news and beginning the process that will lead them to eventually fighting on the streets alongside us.
Unfortunately, he’s probably right, at least about that last bit.
If the antifas had deliberately set out to boost the morale of their neo-Nazi foes — and recruit new members for them — they could hardly have done a better job of it than they inadvertently did in Sacramento on Sunday.
Antifas, how about leaving the bats at home next time? Don’t give the Nazis the fight they want.
And there’s been another terrorist attack, this time at the Istanbul airport. Reports claim that anywhere from 28 to “nearly 50” people have been killed. Several suicide bombers and one terrorist with an ak-7.
Listen to the ghosts of Cable Street
I honestly have to agree with everyone here on defending yourself with whatever blunt instrument of your choice. Bullying and cowardice is their lifestyle.
Unlike say STEMlords and the MRA’s and Nice Guys TM, where the self defence is just an excuse to have a moral high hround to enact horrid actions of sadistic violence, this is just to keep yourselfes safe.
“Antifas, how about leaving the bats at home next time? Don’t give the Nazis the fight they want.”
David, to be amiable, I just wanted to say I like (is like the right word for something that incites such a broad range of emotions?) your blog.
But the quote above stinks of privilege. While the white kids go home and argue on the internet about what tactics to use to combat the boneheads, the boneheads doing the stabbing are often out looking for people of colour to beat up.
I don’t expect anyone to revel in violence. Violence is horrible. Even violence perpetrated on bonehead nazi scum. But I do think it’s reasonable to expect that white allies of people of colour show solidarity to people of colour even if they choose to use violence when dealing with nazis. You can be a pacifist and not be assaulted. They cannot.
Otherwise, keep up the awesome site 🙂
@John
I hate that. You can’t just ignore ethnicity. It doesn’t make you ‘post racial’ (do y’all have this term too?) to pretend nothing’s wrong. I bet they were patting themselves on the backs with how progressive they thought they were being. I mean, Muricans don’t do much to fix the problems, but at least we acknowledge the numbers
Also demographics is just an interest of mine generally. The categories and percents and all that. Fascinating
Dammit, David
I can’t stop thinking that Charles Manson must be so thrilled. I am not thrilled however, I am scared because I AM NOT A FUCKING SERIAL KILLER and I don’t want a fucking “race war” or really any kind of war ideally.
The anti-mugger devices that scream really loudly are an excellent deterrent. They can be turned off by the owner, and no one wants to be around the damn things.
Sorry about the double post. So embarrassing…
OOC: Is a vile, horrible, repugnant movement ever so small and insignificant that it isn’t best to not protest, armed or not? To not give a group no one would have ever even know existed to the media spotlight and their 15 minutes of national fame?
Or is it better to give its 15 minutes, so we can all see it?
Not posing this as a challenge… seriously curious.
Tod, such groups may exist, but I don’t believe the Neo-Nazis are one of them, and the fact is that letting bigotry go unchallenged has dangerous ripple effects.
There’s a book that I have in my library, A Time of Gifts by Patrick Leigh Fermor. It’s a travel memoir about a walking tour of Europe that the author took in 1939, as a sort of interbellum gap year. The passage that comes to mind at times like these involves a conversation that the author had with a young German man who was evidently a member of the brownshirts; when questioned about his politics, he says that he used to be a member of the Communist Party, and had taken part in street fights with the rival Nationalists. When he heard Hitler speak and was exposed to fascist propaganda he quickly changed tack, however, and he speaks glowingly of beating Communists in the Strasse. Some people just like gang fights.
Not to be Regina George here, but.
STOP TRYING TO MAKE RACE WAR HAPPEN.
IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Wow, I don’t think the White Race has had such an awesome win in a knife fight since West Side Story
Rolled up umbrellas are good to have with you. You’re ready for any chance of rain or glaring sunshine. You can lean on a sturdy one like a walking stick if you get tired. No one can object unless you put it up and are careless about other people’s eyes-ears-noses.
As for yet-another-atrocity …
there’s a barrel of hugs in the corner for those that want them and a bucket of sloths for everyone.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/4580653/bucket-of-sloths-o.gif
Some more info about this fight initiated by the Nazis from Antifa protesters that were there.
Fascists exploit the white liberal tendency to live and let live to spread their hate and violence filled ideology, and when PoC fight back, they get called the aggressors and the bad people. Fascist are going to spin the fight in their favor no matter what happened. They don’t fight back? The liberals are all weak so we are winning! Antifa fights back? Oh poor us, we were only doing a peaceful legal protest and you should tolerate our hate. Fuck this shit. I’m a white dude and I can see this shit plainly for what it is.
“White Power!” said the Fascist, who just stabbed another latino citizen. “Fuck you Nazi” says the Antifa PoC as they beat the Nazi senseless. “Violence never solves anything” the white Liberal says to the Antifa from his lofty perch atop the moral high ground.
That could still be seen as a form of provocation. If one group approaches the other while shouting and openly wielding bats, it could in theory be used as grounds for self-defence regardless of who initiated.
This is going to sound completely selfish, but I need to know the likeliness of fascists like these targeting Asian Americans like me and my folks and my friends. Part of me already knows as the “model minority”, mostly everyone I know will probably be alright and would probably rank the lowest on their priority list compared to say African Americans, middle eastern American, Latino and such.
On the other hand fascists just want to brawl whoever so hell if I know.
According to the Nation, a venerable left-wing magazine, both sides came prepared to do violence. But the left doesn’t need to beat the snot out of Nazis. That’s not how democracy works. We need to keep on educating the public about the evils of the extreme right wing.
That said, yeah, sometimes you have to defend yourself. But the Nation doesn’t seem to think that the Sacramento rally is an example of that:
https://www.thenation.com/article/neo-nazis-and-leftists-brawl-in-sacramento/
I posted a comment similar to this one under another WHTM article.
@Axe
France’s approach to racism/antiracism is the color-blind strategy. Needless to say, the law prevents us from making statistics that would point out the ugly realities of our “land of (white) human rights”, but racism itself is far from illegal. Especially since we’re also color-blind when it comes to the victims of hate crimes. Wanna point out that all the victims of police violence were people of color ? That’s illegal. Wanna destroy the far-right “argument” that most crimes are PoC-on-white ? You can’t, because just having the numbers is illegal. And so on.
And you’re right : they do pretend it’s so progressive, pride themselves on laws just like that.
I think this has been posted before but I think there is a lot of truth in it.
When white people were threatened by fascism we had a world war and handed out medals (and we also expected everyone else to help out; got a picture somewhere about that)
http://www.peacetimes.news/wordpress_e/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Moderates3.jpg
The dashing chap in the turban is Mohinder Singh Pujji.
When Britain was under threat from the fascists he volunteered to help; and he was far from the only non-white person to do so. Maybe it’s time to repay the favour?
(For military history buffs he’s well worth reading up on.)
http://i.imgur.com/ZMdT9CO.jpg
@Sinkable John : the french way both don’t do what you mean, and have a lot of advantage you don’t speak of.
It’s dead wrong to pretend it’s illegal to say that police is racist. It’s exactly as legal as anywhere else for newspapers to do stats on that, and policemen *have* instructions against doing exactly that. It’s not like *doing* thoses stats seem to help the US anyway.
It’s also borderline to not indicate the advantage of that, the main one being to avoid targetting arabs specifically because of the result of orientated stats.
In other words, it’s good and all to try to trash the “no discriminatory statistics” french policy, but it’s also stupid. It’s not an easy decision to do one or the another, there is advantages to both (more advantages to the french position for me, but that’s arguable), and more importantly it’s not something that do a world of difference.
@Ohlmann
But when has it ever proved useful ? Ménard, maybe. He got away with it though, it ended up just being another one of his numerous stunts. Come to think of it, he’s been awfully quiet of late, must be preparing something big to baffle us with.
On the other hand, it robs us of actual data that could be used to counter extremist rhetoric. Right now most of it heavily relies on them pulling numbers out of their asses to make them fit whatever premise they want. Whereas we do know their data is fabricated, we have strictly nothing to counter it unless we start fabricating our own (which some do) and that’s not exactly an answer. Let’s face it : most of our laws on hate speech have so far done much more harm than good (just take a look at who usually gets sued for “hate speech” and why). If you can’t have cold hard facts, fallacies have a much bigger impact. And right now any debate on hate crimes always ends with “you can’t prove that”. It’s getting us nowhere.
I agree that oriented stats could be used to target minorities. But that strategy doesn’t actually work, because it’s always so blatantly obvious. Just look at what happens in America : whenever the Daily Stormer and other assorted asshats try to pull that off, it takes roughly 30 seconds to point out the flaws in their reasoning.
We have a special “authorizations” thing that’s only ever been used twice, in the context of immigration stats. What I’m advocating for is to use that a bit more often, and for meaningful reasons.
“But when has it ever proved useful ? Ménard, maybe. He got away with it though, it ended up just being another one of his numerous stunts. Come to think of it, he’s been awfully quiet of late, must be preparing something big to baffle us with. ”
Wrong. The usual case is that it’s useful to actually put help to people when they need it, and not by their color. Like putting priority educational zone where people are poor and not where they are arabs ; and because of the strong correlation between poverty and being arab, thing work actually well, but without any possible bugs due to a city with a lot of rich saudi.
“On the other hand, it robs us of actual data that could be used to counter extremist rhetoric.”
In theory yes, in practice thoses same stats never were all that useful. Or were actually more useful to extremist rhetoric than anything else.
Ask any alt righter. He will gladly provide you with thousands of statistical studies that help his point. You may have a thousand too, but you can’t decently say thoses studies actually help. Each side only look at its own stats.
Also, government doing sleazy stats to make his decisions look motivated happen all the freakin’ time. Preventing them to do racist one at least help a bit.
I never disagreed with that, I’m only talking about data.
And as far as data goes, I stand by my point that it’s better to actually have it, even if it can be misused, than not have it at all and anyone can pull anything out of their ass to prove their point.
Because misused data is so easy to spot. Agreed, alt-righters are oh so fond of using stats to back their premises… but does it work ? It doesn’t, because it’s so obvious. Doesn’t take much effort to show how they’re misusing the data, and pulling interpretations and results out of their asses. Don’t believe me ? It’s this very blog’s bread and butter. And David Futrelle doesn’t work on french bigots either, meaning the morons he reports on, mocks, and whose ideology he deconstructs do have those stats. Does it make it any harder ? Not really.
On the other hand, french alt-righters are an entirely different basket of eels. Namely, the very slippery kind. My original point was their “arabs corrupt the white youth with drugs” speeches : if we had access to actual numbers, we could show that the reality is completely different. The only data I have on that is my own experience in the streets of various cities, and the personal stories of people from all over the country. Do those really count ? They don’t. Numbers, stats, would help. Doesn’t hurt that we already know the results. But it’s really needed to take down their rhetoric. Right now people rely on the tired clichés of the “arab dealers from the suburbs” (for american readers, suburbs in France are where poverty is typically concentrated, as opposed to America). Said clichés are heavily supported by blatantly racist media spins : actual numbers would help take those down as well.