“Peaceful” Neo-Nazis boast that they stabbed the most people at a rally that turned violent Sunday

@ fishy goat & ohlmann

On the subject of weird pronunciation, are you familiar with the “GHOTI” puzzle; i.e. how is that word pronounced?

Fishy Goat:

At least French is consistent with pronunciation

Not so much. It’s less laughably awful than English, but it’s a slur to say that someone writes “phonetically” — i.e. by following pronunciation rules rather than memorizing the entire dictionary.

@numerobis : it’s not opposed to pronunciation being consistent.

The writing -> oral part is very consistent (well, with the exception of z / s / c / k who each overlap with their neighbor), and some rules who are in the process of being dropped.

The oral ->writing part however have the problem that most syllabe can be written in several way. For example, “çi” and “si” are two graphies possible of the same sound. Same for “oh”, “eau”, “au”. And there is a very real possibility to avoid non-pronunciated final letters (like “aux”, plural of “au” ; most plural and a lot of conjugation mark aren’t pronunced either)

Also, another big problem of phonetical writing is that in french the word separation is weak. It mean puns are super easy, but it also mean if you can’t pick the word separation from context you’re gonna have a bad time.

But even for oral -> writing, it’s *a lot* easier than in english to me. Most strange cases have relatively consistent rules. In exchange, the conjugations are downright *horrible*

Robertshaw : “Why isn’t ‘phonetically’ spelled with an ‘F’?”

because it come from latin, or something like that. Most of the time, “f” mean a popular word that come from german, gaul, or pig latin, and “ph” mean it come from science or other high place.

@Alan
I’m curious about your puzzle – never mind, found it. 🙂

@Axecalibur
Si six cents scies scient six cents saucisses, six cent six scies scieront six cent six saucissons.

Also, and to expand on the example of earlier, “h” is never pronunced, but is only used to signate the pronunciation of the letter around here. Or sometime, because the word come from latin. Which mean, if you don’t know the graphies, you almost cannot guess where the h are.

But once you have a small bit of vocabulary, *normally* it sort out. Two rule govern like 80% of the “h” in graphies, and a few latin and greek root cover 19%. The last 1% is people *thinking* a word come from latin and adding a h. “Rhum” (the alcohol) is an example, it should be “rum” since it’s an english loanword, but because of the the “rhum-” root who is used in medical fields, people added a h to rum too.

Which is kind of replacing a couple of intuitive rules by a lesser amount of less intuitive one.

@Alan

I dunno. Do you have anything equivalent in gaelic?

@ IP

Ha, the only Gaelic I know is ‘Pogue Mahone’ 🙂

(I’ve got a moderate Kernewek/Cornish vocabulary, but I can’t do the grammar properly)

@axecalibur

The Democratic Party is not socialist at all, it has some socialist policies, and is open to socialism, like I explained, Bernie is not afraid to use the S word, but it is not by any means a socialist party. It is what we in England would call Liberal, in favour of personal liberties, but fiscally conservative. The US does not have a left wing, your Republicans are the same as our Conservatives on the political spectrum, and your Democrats occupy the same quadrant as our Liberal (formerly Whig) party, and Blairite New Labour. Both Obama and Hilary sit very well between New Labour and the Liberal Democrats of the U.K. Neither of these are worker’s parties.
The disillusionment of the working classes causes people to find kinship with other disillusioned people. That’s why you’ll find them flocking to Trump and the alt right. That Traditionalist Worker’s (Nazi) party for instance. That is because the current political system has let them ‘fall thru the cracks’ of society, ignored them, and exploited them. Some have found purpose in things like the Occupy movement, some have sought refuge in religious fundamentalism, and others, reactionary, racist and aggressive outlets like the KKK, MRA, EDL, BNP and Trumpism.

@alex

You are very right. Someone else commented here that America is starting to look like Germany in the 1930s. When you see scenes like this, it’s like stepping back in time. It’s funny how even a few years back, all these groups were denying being fascists, but not like it writ large. Trump is the one who gave them the confidence to do this.
Don’t you find it bizarre that in the USA now you are more socially acceptable being a Nazi than a Communist?
NB. I’m not planning of brawling with any Nazis in the street, I am a pacifist and hate violence.

@Mary
Thanks for telling (Eurosplaining?) me how my own country’s political parties work. And for the condescending spiel about how British politics is correct and ours is wrong, cos I’ve never heard that all the time. I’d be lost without you *eyeroll*

Anyway, am I the only one sick and tired of disillusionment as an excuse for shit ideas. Racism, sexism, whatevs. The world doesn’t go the way you want it to, so, woops, you’re an antifeminist now? Nope. You’re not just an innocent victim of the system, looking for purpose in this cruel new world (world’s smallest violin). You’re an entitled jerk and you chose to be. There are hundreds of millions of people who live under the same system every damn day but don’t throw a fit and lash out at others when they don’t get their way. It’s not the fault of Obama, Hillary, the Dems, Trump, or society as a whole if your response to hardship is bigotry

And, while we’re at it, you can’t fix, or even prevent, intolerance by throwing Marx at the problem. Don’t work that way. Socialism isn’t a panacea and it doesn’t make hate go away. It redirects at worse, and quiets at best. It’s still there

Apologies again to Katherine

ETA: Phryne’s sliding down again

Very late to the party but it’s not pogue mahone at all in Gaelic. That’s an anglisation of “póg mo thón” in Irish (gaeilge or Gaelic). The British took enough from us that it really grates to see them take/ruin our language which they tried to stamp out during an attempted genocide