This is Trump’s America: A tribal-tatted swole dude yelling “COOK MY BURRITO, BITCH!”

@Handsome Jack

The french cuisine stereotype is kind of a complex matter. The truth is, we mostly eat “american”. There’s so little left of the so-called glory days of french cuisine that it doesn’t matter anymore, yet some of us still like to think we eat better than anyone else in the world, even though we don’t. It really depends on individuals and how much time and effort they devote to cooking, just like anywhere else.*

Thing is, there have been a few health “scandals” regarding food poisoning in some kebab restaurants. But it’s just the exact same as “black crime” (“arab crime” here) : it’s blown out of proportion in the exact same way.

So yeah, exactly. It’s racism.

*By the way, “typically french” food is usually gross. Except for cheese. You can’t beat our cheese. I’ll challenge anyone who says otherwise to a duel, pistols at dawn. Then I’ll cook them my special burger, which includes fourme.

Edit : @kupo

They’ll go to any lengths, BUT WE WILL FIGHT BACK AND DEFEND THE KEBAB.

It’s sad because in this country, those are pretty much the only places you can get a decent meal at a decent price without cooking it yourself. Might be another reason why they hate it ?

weirwood mentioned that there is a film about black women called BAPS. Did the makers know that baps is a slang term for breasts in parts of the UK? I bet someone did, and yet feminist outrage there was none!

My son made me sit through White Chicks. I found it pretty painful.

This guy keeps talking like that, somebody’s going to slice and grill his chorizo.

@Alan

Not much. But the question is really impossible to answer, since no two libertarians ever agree on anything, other than “FREEDOM!”

@Imaginary Petal

I couldn’t help it. It was just too much. We’ve been keeping up on Majority Report as much as possible, and it’s been a running joke in the household over the last week.

What exactly sparked Perry’s rage meltdown? It came out of nowhere, and we couldn’t figure out if we’d missed something or if he’d just started yelling for no reason.

@Alan

What’s the difference between libertarianism and anarchism (assuming there are definitive definitions)

The short answer is that right libertarians are crypto-fascists and left libertarians are anarchists .
The longer answer is that most right-libertarians call themselves ‘minarchists’, meaning they want a state apparatus that defends absolute private property rights (usually including children in said property and sometimes outright advocating for slavery in general), provides corporate charters and does nothing else. Others call themselves anarcho-capitalists, in the naive belief that a capitalist economy could possibly exist without state backing, and in practice advocate a sort of corporate feudalism.
Left-libertarians (originally the only sort, and a lot of us are pretty pissed off about rightists nicking the term) are a rather varied lot, but mostly anarcho-syndicalists and anarcho-communists. Precise details vary widely (frankly we’re just as prone to intercenine arguments as they are), but the broad outline is that we advocate for social and economic equality for all, and the leveling of hierarchies generally. On an economic level, we prefer a model of worker cooperatives.

@Sinkable John

But what about bisque??

I think Trump is doing so well because he’s saying what the “conservative voters” want to hear: anger at the liberal establishment and resentment over minorities and various civil rights policies (including anti-bullying and anti-harassment policies). “Conservative” voters don’t tend to be particularly religious and they don’t care so much about opposing gay rights or abortion or other religious right issues. They’re more dedicated to stuff like hawkish foreign policy, reducing immigration, and eliminating affirmative action programs and anti-discrimination laws.

@Alan

What’s the difference between libertarianism and anarchism

Libertarian has economic connotations that anarchist doesn’t. There are plenty of socialist libertarians (Hiya!), but the term generally refers to the ‘invisible hand’ types

In terms of the role of the state, it’s a bit more complicated and the lines blur a lot. As close as I can figure (from the mainstream view in the States), libertarianism tends to mean less gov/state, while anarchism means none at all. So say we are at 42 units of government. An anarchist has a max level acceptable. Whether that’s 0 (stateless utopia of universal friendship) or like 5 (a court and a small, local council), so long as the state, as it exists, is gone, an anarchist is happy. A libertarian sees the 42, thinks it’s too high, and wants it reduced. A libertarian needn’t have a goal number in mind, as long as that number is less than 42. A libertarian decries big government, an anarchist decries government

That’s all theoretical nonsense tho. Political identification, and the words we use to describe same, are flexible enough to be meaningless in any way outside of one’s own sense of self and identity. The most honest answer to your question: ‘What do you think?’

@ dalillama, sinkable & axecalibur

Thanks for all that. It makes sense now in terms if the explanations if not the philosophies)

Are you guys familiar with Crass and Dial House and all that? Sounds similar to what you were describing. (And now I know what they were doing, I just liked the music)

ETA: cheers IP

What exactly sparked Perry’s rage meltdown? It came out of nowhere, and we couldn’t figure out if we’d missed something or if he’d just started yelling for no reason.

He was being asked a question he couldn’t answer. His narrative rested on having land and being independent upon it, and Sam was asking him how property rights would be legitimized in an environment where the government has no power or authority to enforce its rules. He had no answer for this, and apparently he thought it was unfair and unreasonable to be questioned on his basic premise.

Right-libertarians often consider property rights to be a natural law.

It’s not a philosophical question. Locke thought about this philosophically, and concluded that property rights are a natural law, and he had reasons and arguments and stuff for why he thought that was the correct conclusion.

The question here, however, is a practical one. Even if you grant that property rights are a natural law, how is that law enforced when there is no government with the power to enforce it? Groupies of Ayn Rand have this vague idea that everyone will just somehow agree to respect everyone’s property claims and there will never be a dispute. It sounded like Darryl Perry was kind of working toward that perspective, but he was frothing too hard at that point and Sam Seder loled at the whole idea, because it’s ridiculous on its face.

You can agree with Locke but recognize (as Locke did) that you need government to enforce the natural law. If you say that government should not have any power over individuals, you’ve just stripped it of its power to enforce the natural law, and you need to answer what you think will enforce that law if government doesn’t. That’s the question Perry was being asked, to which he had no response, and that’s what drove him into his meltdown.