#Brexit disaster: A great night for Anime Nazis, Trump fans, and dudes who say “cuck” a lot

@CrysT instead of laugh read my comment again and see that I am not even British, nor I supported the Leave or my own country. I just said that explaining BREXIT as: “idiots voted for nazis” is just preventing any criticism of the actual state of the EU. And the same goes for Trump. You keep saying that the reason Trump will win (And I am sure he will, unfortunately) is idiocy, and that is preveting you all to see that the Democrat party discourse has it’s own problems too and if the don’t face it right now, by November it will be too late. Your own rethoric of the right and the wrong vote, or failing to understand the motivations or the other side is part of the problem.

@Amazed And like Ohlmann before you, you ignore much of what I’ve said in order to misrepresent me.

But…you’re the one who’s pushing the line that Brussels forced austerity down the Tories throats, so tbh, your powers of reasoning are likely not so hot.

@Alan Whether there are sound lefty reasons for voting Leave is beside the point because THEY WERE IRRELEVANT TO THIS CAMPAIGN AS A WHOLE. This is not about why you, personally, votedas you did, but about what this is doing to the UK.

A tiny handful of Leave voters may have voted due to your reasons, but most were voting based on lies and fear, with no real concept of or concern for where they’d be going afterwards.

Waffle on all you like, the evidence for this is both abundant and in our fucking faces as we speak.

@CrysT I was talking about the issues about MY own country and why people are growing more and more dissatisfied with EU. I never even mentioned Tories in my orginal post. I know our own conservatives didn’t need a excuse to tear down our social system, however, I am talking about Southern Europe and austerity was forced on us even when left wing politicians rised to power or referendums against it were held.

@Ichthyic but the problem of EU is not immigration or integration. The current problem are the increasing lack of democracy, a neo liberal approach to economy… Do you even think that after the Turkey-EU treaty the EU is a model of integration or treating refugees humanely? I think my other comment can be misinterpreted because what I said about refugees social benefits and the working class families. But what I support is helping everybody, rebuild our welfare system, not limiting the entry of immigrants or refugees. We should take the Brexit as a wake up call, the Union needs to be reformed.

@ crys t

I didn’t vote in the end. I have some minor issues with the technocratic way the EU is run, but I’m happy with the actual policies.

However a lot of my more lefty friends did vote for out, and for the reasons mentioned. To suggest that they acted with dishonest or naive motives is a bit disingenuous I think. Also I’m down in Cornwall and there was a big out sentiment here based on varies EU policies; but nothing to do with immigration. This is a county that relies on EU workers.

I can see your point about the Celtic nations and the EU, but again to suggest the Cornish didn’t understand the issues is again somewhat misconceived. The electorate down here is probably more au fait with the EU than anywhere else. It’s had a major effect on daily lives.

It is horrible that the racist contingent is claiming this result as some sort of mandate, and undoubtably, racism did play a part; but to say to people have to vote for something they passionately don’t believe in just because the result may be hijacked is effectively to say people should be disenfranchised.

@Amazed OK, fine. I’m also pretty disgusted by how the EU has treated Southern Europe. But don’t see how you think that fits into a discussion on Brexit, as the people who voted Leave here are pretty much the same ones who consider us to be “greasy wops and dagos,” and were all for the European South being left to rot.

People in the UK have in no way been given the shaft the by EU. They’ve had massive influence in how it’s run and have – for all their whining – massive amounts of cash funneled into the most impoverished parts of the country.

Like Alan, you are trying to give support to a Brexit vote for reasons that are completely alien to the Brexit movement.

@LinuxLea And you trying to blame the Greek citizenry for the sins of the Greek government is sheer assholery. If we held citizens accountable for their governments actions, ALL of us would be condemned. This is exactly the sort of Northern European…ah, fuck it, let’s call it what is: white supremacy* that I was referring to earlier. Despicable.

*For those outside of Europe, you may not be aware that there is a definite ethnic hierarchy within European nations that places the “whitest” groups (ie the Scandinavians) at the top in terms of admirable qualities and descends through the rest of the Northwest (English, Germans, Dutch, etc), then down to the Mud People of the South and East (Spanish, Greek, Italian [a bit], Czech, Poles, etc.).

As you may consider us all “white,” this may be confusing to you (and that makes it a convenient But I CAN’T Be Racist shield for the Northern Supremacists), but it’s very real. Just look at how Greeks and Spaniards are depicted in the Northern press, let alone the Eastern Europeans. It’s based on racism and Islamophobia (Moorish rule in Spain & Italy, Ottomans in much of the rest of the South and East), and is therefore the reason why “racism” is an apt term in the case of Brexit even though a lot of the hate-mongering was about Poles and Czechs.

@Imaginary Petal I just came here to say this. (Also the fact that her swedish folk costume is completely incorrect, but whatever.) The woman on the left is feminist blogger Natashja Blomberg.

Re Brexit: there are lots of good reasons to criticize the EU, but it’s hard to deny that fact the referendum happened right now is mostly because of growing nationalism and fear of immigrants.

@ axecalibur

I was trying to think of a better word or phrase. Like you say nobody’s stopping them voting. What’s a better way of putting it? Pressurising people not to vote? Well, you get my drift.

Yeah, this whole thing came about to stop Tory MPs defecting to UKIP. It seems though that whatever the motive it struck a chord. Pretty high turnout. I keep wondering what would have happened without a referendum. Some whinging from UKIP who’d be still harping on about wanting one. They odd pretty well in terms of votes at the last election but with FPTP they’d always be an irrelevancy in domestic politics.

I’m not a fan of the ‘protect people from themselves’ reasoning for not letting people vote though. I’ve seen the argument that decisions should only be made by people clever enough to understand the issues, but it’s a dangerous precedent.

I’m lowering my odds though on that S.50 notice never being served.

@Amazed I’m actually a Spanish citizen. I was initially really scared of what a Leave vote would mean until I realised that *I* still have options.

It’s kind of sad in a way that the UKippers are now dancing around, feeling like they’ve told people like me where to go, when they’re the ones who’ll suffer for it far more than I will.

Still, I’ve been in Wales for a very long time, and I love the people and the place, and it’s breaking my heart that they’ve willing done something that will harm them in the long run. England does not care about them, and the only protection they had from its neglect and exploitation was the EU (meager as that protection was).

@Alan Have to feel that the Cornish must have been somewhat confused about all this, given that they’re now scared about what leaving the EU means to their funding.

@ crys t

There’s certainly been some weird thinking, but they checked beforehand that the funds already committed would still come through. Obviously Cornwall has done really well from the EU. We had Objective 1 funding, convergence funding and even though that’s dried up we’ve still been nabbing discretionary grants. The Cornish also managed to get themselves designated as an indigenous people which entitles us to even more money. Does seem a bit daft to cut that off. And the immigration thing isn’t even an issue here. We’re the most under populated county in England so we’d be stuffed without foreign workers (especially as a lot of the work is seasonal)

Been listening to the phone-ins on local radio though. Thought there might be some ‘buyers remorse’ but everyone still really keen on Brexit. Go figure.

My best guess is though that the S.50 notice will never be served. As the day goes on and I see what’s so ing out of both the official leave camp and the EU I think that’s ever more likely.

@ axecalibur

A few hundred fancy folks in the Capitol to hate instead of your neighbor

That’s the best argument for representational democracy I’ve ever heard! Although I was hoping the Jo Cox killing might lead to a bit of dialing down of some of the vitriol. Passion is great but when it spills over into dehumanising politicians (however much we may loath their policies) things get dangerous. It’s ok to joke about “Guy Fawkes was the last man to enter Parliament with honest intentions”, less funny in real life (although my feelings about Farage make me a hypocrite in this regard)

The irony to all this is that, whilst I have some minor quibbles about the way the EU is run, I’m actually a big fan of the project. I don’t have a problem with capitalism per se (I do have a lot of criticisms on what passes for capitalism these days, but that’s a polemic for another time). I’m hugely into free movement. I’d extend that to all commonwealth nations too. And I’m probably the only person around here who isn’t fussed over TTIP. I do understand though why other people, of good heart, are less keen.

I wonder what would happen if there was another referendum held tomorrow?

An aside. Why’s a muthafucka named GamerGate4Life? Shouldn’t it be GamerGateUntilGamesJournalismRisesToMyStandardsOfEthics? Unless it has nothing to do with all that… Blasphemy

Since Jo Cox, a woman nearby has been stabbed..

We don’t know who the victim is yet, but someone is being questioned.

This would be irrelevant, but I look at the guillotine picture and can’t help feeling paranoid.

Traitors they call us…for having something called compassion for others.

The result itself isn’t what’s got me stressed and quite frankly, I wasn’t shocked, the hatred in just a few hours is what sickened me. Even though I expected it.

Today, I really don’t care if I’ve said the wrong thing.