#Brexit disaster: A great night for Anime Nazis, Trump fans, and dudes who say “cuck” a lot

@Ohlmann Stop. I put the blame on the demagoguery of the Leave side, the utter ineffectuality of the Remain side, AND the ignorance (not the same as “stupidity”) of voters. Though, seriously? If you’ve heard people talking about why they were going to vote Leave, it’s beyond clear that many were doing so out of naked xenophobia. Which, criticise me all you like, I do find pretty stupid.

You can dance around that all you like. You say you’re not in the UK. Well, I’ve been here on the ground since before this even started, and the fact is that for most UK voters this was not about EU flaws, or economic reasons, or anything else that’s being used as an excuse to justify it.

This was a campaign that stooped to blatant lies and used equally blatant Goebbels-level imagery against “outsiders.” You may have your own reasons for beong anti-EU, but you need to stop trying to superimpose them on this particular case, because they ARE NOT THE SAME THING. Get that misapprehension out of your head.

For many of us living here, the UK has become a scary place, and there are many observers noting the similarities between the atmosphere here now and those in other societies just before the descent into fascism.

You can dance all you want around the fact your position of insulting thoses people is dangerous and feed the force that created the brexit. The fact remain that the UE have most of the blame here. Not because of what is actually said about it in the campaign perhaps, but still, it’s absolutely stupid to pretend that brexit would have happen if UE was seen as a legitimate, competent governemental body. And the UE have to improve both on its perception and its actual competency to avoid future problems.

You can alway say that people are too stupid to vote. That will make them more angry. The politicians can alway conspire to ignore their vote because they feel it’s too dangerous. That will only fuel an actual, dyed-on-the-wool fascist revolution.

In other words, you may be right that Europa (I refuse to say it’s only an UK problem) is descending closer to fascism. But it mean people have to *do* something about it. Insulting and othering the guy who did that isn’t doing something about it, actually working on why so many people are disenfranchised is.

@IP

Hell, I haven’t even seen Cloyster yet. Nine Unfezants in a row, though, because this game hates me. *rolls eyes*

Hi lurker from and currently in the UK here deciding to delurk now of all times. Sorry if this rambles, has been said by people who know better than me or basically resembles a word vomit all over a nice clean thread but I’m trying to put my thoughts into a coherent order and you all for the most part seem nice even when you disagree.

Firstly I voted to stay in the EU so leaving isn’t what I want, but then again what I want is a worldwide socialist utopia free of sexism, classism, LGBTAQphobia, racism, xenophobia, disablism, fatphobia and all other bigotries I haven’t mentioned for either brevity or that my privilege has currently blinded me to, so I was always gonna be a little disappointed. To be honest I voted to stay because I have no trust in Westminster, as it is, to have the best interests of me and my family at heart and I live in England so I have no other parliament to protect us like Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland does.

I have no real opinion of the EU mostly because we as a nation never really got to know the other members culturally. In my experience of rural England, people are monolingual and only really know our European neighbours by their economic actions i.e. “those Eastern Europeans coming over here taking jobs” or “go to France / Spain their booze is cheaper than here”, the only foreign films in the mainstream media right now are American specifically Hollywood, outside of Eurovision we don’t listen to non English speaking music. This coupled with the fact that I haven’t really seen many attempts to get to know each other and work together, like we have Eurovision and some sporting events but these are all adversarial in their nature. You can’t really have a healthy marriage if you don’t even know something a minor like your partners favourite colour, and you can’t really make one when the only times you talk to one another is about money or over who is the best at (insert thing here).

Hopefully this can made into a positive change; progressive voices won’t be drowned out by the bigots screaming like howler monkeys, we as a nation look to other nations and get to know them, not just economically but culturally, and then maybe one day we can look at our neighbours and see not potential allies or trading partners but friends. Or not, I think I’ll end up settling for not fascist.

That woman in the ridiculous Swedish nationalist outfit is Hanna Lindholm, a prominent member of the racist political party Sweden Democrats. If you thought the picture was cringeworthy as is, it only gets worse when you learn that it was originally put together and posted by Lindholm herself, exactly as it’s seen here.

Lindholm is one of the more popular members of the know-nothing wing of the know-nothing party, and her focus is split between commenting on American news stories of which she has very limited knowledge, and playing up the long-time far right conspiracy theory that refugees are routinely lying about their age in order to count as underage, so that they will be more likely to be granted asylum. The proponents of this conspiracy theory generally advocate for efforts to determine refugees’ age through “scientific” methods such as measuring wrist circumference, and dental exams.

Last year, Lindholm came close to being expelled by her party, as she’s considered a right wing extremist even by the other right wing extremists in her party. She has ties to openly Nazi groups and was a member of the old youth group of the Sweden Democrats, which was recently disowned by the main party because it had gone from secretly Nazi to openly Nazi.

@SFHC

Haha. I only saw Unfezant for the first time last night. But this morning I already caught both Gyarados and Magikarp! I’m done! :p

I am sorry, but all of you calling Leave voters, ignorant or stupid just show how disconnected you are from the working class issues. You can’t just blame racism or right wing for anti-EU sentiment. I will start saying that I am not British, but from some Southern European country where austerity meassures are in full effect. I consider myself a left/far left woman, and I can’t deal with the lack of democracy of EU, things like the secrecy of TTIP and TISA (or what would mean to us if they passed), or the fact that most analysts have said that if we still had or own currency instead of Euro we would have been able to endure the Recession better. How would you feel if you see your fellow Greek people voting something that was later overturned by Brussels? Do you really think people care about big economic figures or long term predictions when their families have been ruined since 2008? And how do you think when, after years of Brussels forcing us to adopt austerity meassures that meant cuts in almost all social subsides, suddenly they are trying to make us to accept refugees that would get more help than the average Family? Don’t you think that can be the start of the “us vs them” mentality? For a lot of people that was the last straw on the camel’s back. Even more when we, as one of the Southern borders with Africa have been calling for help from the Northern countries to deal with the issue without any response. I feel really thankful that no far right/anti immigration party has arised from this mess but a pro-immigration left one. But I won’t find it strange when it happens.

So, instead of dehumanizing the Leave voters, treat them like idiots and morons, why not try to listen to them, hear their reasons. People like Owen Jones have been warning about this disconnection for years. Don’t you realize that if the left fails to listen to the the working class cry of help the populist far right starts to rise?

Very sorry to hear about this disastrous result, British & European friends. I’ll be thinking about you as the shockwave continues to move through financial markets and people’s daily lives in the coming months.

Ohlman,
Nobody was saying people shouldn’t have the right to vote of they’re too stupid. It kind of sounds like you’re implying that people who are disappointed with the results are saying that.

Hey. Fellow Muricans. Come here, let me talk to you. Little closer
DON’T LET THIS BULLSHIT HAPPEN HERE!!!
‘But globalist, neoliberal, establishment, corporatist, shill, center right, warmonger, blah, blah, blah.’ No. You vote and you vote the correct way. There is a correct way, and, if you vote the wrong way, fuck you!
Fuck your protest vote, or your disillusionment, or your principles, or whatever reason you decide you’re gonna fuck this up for the rest of us! You’re not special or clever. You’re not a revolutionary. You’re a tool. You’re a shit merchant, and I’m officially done buying it!
Well, at least we might get a preview of what a regressive idiot with bad hair can do to a country. How many lefties fully understood that this could also be a referendum on Boris fucking Johnson?

@Ohlmann
Listen, guy. You don’t coddle stupid people doing stupid things, cos ‘hey, they might get upset that you call them stupid’. Ya know what we do here? “The New Misogyny (and other such bullshit) Tracked And Mocked”, and derided, and shamed. Old racists are a substantial source of AntiEU sentiment. Fuck them. No need to stand up for them, dude. Not a good look

@caketastydelish

That would require 52% of Brits to be neo Nazis, as Furtelle [sic] is implying, and I frankly doubt that is the case.

That’s not what this post implies at all. Dave has simply highlighted some examples of the reactions actual neo-Nazis have displayed. Nowhere does he suggest that because some neo-Nazis are celebrating, all Brexit voters are Nazis.

Further, your premise is false. Not all racist decisions are made by literal Nazis. Racism exists in all people who benefit from it (including myself) in varying degrees. To suggest that only fascists can be racist is to dismiss the majority of racism experienced routinely by people of colour. I can’t know to what extent the various issues at play impacted individual voters, but your argument that racism couldn’t have had much of a role because not everyone in the UK is a Nazi doesn’t make any sense.

For all the racism and disgusting rhetoric I’d just like to say I think there’s no place for exaggeration. If people have shitty racist reasons for voting at least this was democratic. I don’t agree. But when my country even wanted to start the smallest of steps towards unity with European we ended up going from hope to civil war. Just a thought. Maybe to put things in perspective. I feel David scaredmongered here at the beginning.

Though my parents and brother lives in the Uk and are uk citizens. They voted to stay. Ironic now since they wanted to move their after I started college to be part of EU for better jobs for my brother and trustworthy banks.

It is a big shame but not the apocalypse. The only shame is the racism and all their crap here on twitter.

Tirmoil started on the east a long time back and it is looking a lot bloodier. My heart goes out to Jo Cox all the same (I don’t want oppression Olympics only to say that frenzy and exaggerating don’t help)