The Red Pillers and other extreme misogynists I write about regularly on this blog live in something of a fantasy world. And while their fantasies about the present are tempered — at least somewhat — by reality, their fantasies of the future are not; they can let their fetid imaginations roam.
And so it’s no surprise that the visions of the future that dance in the heads of so many Red Piller resemble bad science fiction. Or that so many of them involve the allegedly stuck-up women of today getting their ultimate comeuppance.
Some dream that sex robots and artificial wombs will make women “obsolete.” Others dream of impending catastrophes that will force uppity women to turn to men, humbly and meekly, begging for protection.
A recent post on Return of Kings with the unsubtle title “4 Reasons Why Collapse Will Be The Best Thing To Happen For Men” offers an elaborate revenge fantasy for deeply insecure would-be alpha males. The improbably named “Corey Savage” makes clear from the start that his apocalyptic predictions fantasies are rooted in his desire to say “told you so” to “feminist harpies’ and “loser male feminists.”
As Savage sees it, our world is close to being overwhelmed by economic disasters, “widespread degeneracy and demographic upheavals … Collapse in the near future appears to be a matter of when, not if.”
But fear not, men — “the destruction of the world as we know it could be the best thing that ever happens” to you. With the bravado of a teenager telling his mom that “you’re not the boss of me,” Savage predicts the ultimate collapse of evil dictatorships and the so-called “nanny state.”
With the Frankenstein centralized governments no longer around to dictate people’s lives and use them as lab rats for their social experiments, you will have all the freedom in the world. No more taxes, no more surveillance, no more PC policing, no more divorce courts, no more forced multiculturalism, and so on. You alone will be responsible for your life with no one to bail you out and no one to blame.
In this libertarian world, Savage imagines,
you’ll be free to create the society you want. Still think Communist utopia is possible? Good luck. Want to start an all-white Aryan state? Be my guest. Want to create a progressive rainbow society without all the racist-sexist-homo-transphobe-Nazi-bigots? Great, get out of my sight.
Just don’t get too uppity, you man-hating ladies!
Think all men are rapists and want to live in a lesbian tribe? Have fun trying to build anything or defending yourselves (assuming you even have something worthwhile to defend.)
Ah, yes, now we come to the heart of the fantasy: women and “wimps” being put in their supposed place.
No more corporate serfdom, no more putrid consumerism, no more technological slavery, and no safe spaces for the cry-babies to hide and cry in. Wimps, complainers, and the weak will not survive.
No complainers? Weird, because almost all I ever hear from Return of Kings is complaints.
Savage sets forth a vision of a “masculine” restoration that is equal parts Fight Club and The Secret Life of Walter Mitty.
One of the best aspect of the new order would be the return of masculine virtue. [O]nly an organized group of men with strength, courage, mastery, and honor … will prevail in the post-apocalyptic world. Men will be men again.
Who knows what savage energy is begging to be unleashed within that man serving as an office drone? Who knows if that guy flipping burgers for a minimum wage will become the future tribal leader? How many men today are living jaded and unfulfilling lives when they could be fighters and warriors instead?
I don’t know, but the number is certainly a lot smaller than the number of men who think that the endless hours they’ve spent playing Fallout have prepared them for real life postapocalyptic warrioring.
And now we come to the “told you so” section of Savage’s apocalyptic fantasy — which is really the whole point of the thing.
And guess what? There won’t be feminist harpies demanding “equality” when strong men are needed to rebuild civilization and defend against gangs and rival tribes. They’ll be begging for some of that “toxic” masculinity to come and protect them. They’ll kneel in submission to a patriarchal order faster than they would have screamed “rape!” in the previous world.
Keep it in your pants, dude. You’re embarrassing yourself.
Suddenly, with their government boyfriend gone and the internet white knights nowhere to to be found, their whole feminist charade will shatter and the ridiculousness of it all will become apparent. The unstable and fat ones will likely disappear first as they offer no value to anyone.
Yep, his vision of the future is basically an elaboration of the classic misogynist rallying cry: NO FAT CHICKS.
Also in the new world, the SJWs and the rest of the progressive freaks will die faster than a gay snowman in Saudi Arabia. … There won’t be anymore idiotic debates about who is right or wrong: only who survives and who doesn’t.
Evidently Savage is so tired of having his ass handed to him in these “idiotic debates” that he’d rather have the whole world collapse in a heap rather than endure another humiliating loss.
I would love to see how well the loser male-feminists fare against the very men they love to bash without a computer screen to hide behind.
Says a guy who bashes feminists while, well, hiding behind a computer screen, telling readers on the About page of his blog that “[d]etails about myself are not as important as the content that I write here.”
The impatient Savage ends his manifesto by encouraging his readers to, well, help the collapse come a little faster.
The change you want to see is not going to appear peacefully through some online arguments, petitions, protests, or asinine ‘democratic’ processes. You cannot fix a rotting society; you must tear it all down and start from scratch.
So Savage wants men to use non-peaceful tactics to “tear … down” what he thinks is a decadent and “degenerate” society in order to humble women and bring back the patriarchal rule of men?
That sounds more than a little bit like the “Islamic terror” that the boys at Return of Kings are always railing against.
I know how to gather, and a lot of wild plants you can eat. I also can grow vegetables, and can take care of horses, goats and chickens. I can milk too. I’m a good keeper, and do not need much food (that’s what being fat means for many women, Corey).
@Mish, @Kat – Of COURSE everyone at WHTM is invited. We’re currently building another cabin so we’ll likely have room.
@Dalillama – Yes! We had this convo on Pharyngula years ago. You have an excellent memory. But now we have more to offer than mushrooms.
Anyway, back to reading comments.
I’m sure Corey Savage is intended to be an intimidating moniker (or maybe it’s straight up his actual name) but all I can think about when I read it is the kid from Boy Meets World.
For all of the people saying that the Manospherians have no survival skills, I’m pretty sure at least some of them have their own chicken recipe.
@Ohlmann, I knew a guy like that, J, who thought if I could do something then it must be easy. I bake all of our bread, make all of our own pasta, pasta sauce, soup and such. (The mr. is on a renal diet, so I upped the cooking from scratch so he could eat all of his favorites and it allowed me to tweak his diet month to month to keep all his labs awesome. ) When he was getting ready to move he started talking about how he and his girlfriend were going to make giant pots of soup and bake all of their own baked goods.
Now I offered to have them both over to show them how to cook from scratch, bake, make cheese, whatever they wanted to learn. They weren’t interested, b/c if Clever did it it must be super easy. I remember him getting pissed about how hard it all was. (J couldn’t boil water, and J’s gf could barely make pasta)
. . .and that’s how I see MRAs with apocalypse fantasies.
PS This isn’t to shame anyone who doesn’t want to cook, it’s my weird obsession, and I know most people probably don’t feel the way I do about food.
@ Buttercup Q. Skullpants-
This! So sensitive these “warriors”. I was looking for the person who put it so eloquently before and no surprise:
Also @Buttercup Q. Skullpants_
We’ve been surviving for a LOOOOONG time in a hostile environment (sadly, sometimes not). But the privileged are freaking out about trivial loss of their privilege.
@Icecream and any the other newbies in page 2
Sup!
@cleverforagirl
Alewife? That’s a word!? I shall relearn the tuba and start a band called Alewife if it’s the last thing I do. I swear it
Maybe Älewife. Get the umlaut in there. And, in German, Ä (sorta) makes that sound anyway. Win win!
All this talk of the apocalypse has got me thinking of how I’d take the end of days.
To be totally honest about my chances, they’re not good. I’m physically fit but I’m a white city kid through and through.
So if satan rose up and the world ended, I guess I would just try to be a peaceful scavenger. Live in dark, secure places, don’t pick fights I can’t win and trade stolen or scavenged good with larger, more civilized groups of folk with a surplus to trade.
So my post apocalyptic scenario has me playing it safe, don’t make fool decisions and there’s a fifty fifty chance I get out alive.
I grew up in a family where everybody cooked. (Granted, my father usually only did on weekends due to his job, but he found it relaxing.) My mother didn’t like baking, so if I wanted fresh homemade cookies, I learned how to make them myself. That was also when I learned some of my first lessons in how to tweak recipes.
I helped my family put up a cabin out in the Kootenay Boundary in B.C.; it has no road access and no electrical power grid. (There is a cell phone tower, and we have solar cells and a generator for power if we want it.)
I probably still wouldn’t be around long post-apocalypse due to some medical issues, but I’m at least somewhat better prepared for it than most of these whiners.
Oh, and Ohlmann? 20% is likely quite a bit low. Consider the apocalypse would likely undo all the effects of the Green Revolution on crop yields over the last century. Think about cutting planetary food production to less than half of what it is now, and make it harder to move it from place to place. People tend to take the relative abundance of food WAY too much for granted.
(There was a role-playing game called ‘Blue Planet’ some years ago. Part of the future history for that involved a ‘Blight’ that affected grain crops all over the world. World population dropped to a little over four billion after having peaked over ten billion in the game, due to wars and starvation over the course of a generation or so.)
@Dan Kasteray Runners and scavengers will be super valuable.
To everyone else, thank you for the most fun I’ve ever had talking about the end of the world. 🙂
Me too. IIRC the character’s name is Corey and the actor’s name is Ben Savage, Fred’s little bro.
BTW, I highly encourage you all to read up on the conspiracy theory about Boy Meets World and Girl Meets World being Illuminati propaganda. It’s hilarious.
Ужас! Scildfreja! I missed your comment. Yes! You are invited. Anyone showing up with a mammoth placard or patch is welcomed. 😉
Honestly, for me? This sort of apocalypse thinking is weird. Who thinks this way? I read (past tense) “Stuff Fundies Like” because that is so another world from how I was brought up. It really broadened my horizons, and made me feel even sorrier for them.
They’re very different but I don’t hate them (except when they interfere in my life). I’m not afraid of Fundies and don’t want to kill them from overly-exaggerated and gun-engaged cars. I simply don’t get that way of thinking, at all.
Unfortunately, fundagelicals are more prominent and have a lot more money than LGBTQ.
My question is, can you “cure” an authoritarian?
Ladies – You’ve done more to unite men against misandric women and white knights than any male could’ve ever hoped. You’ve screwed yourselves over. Male disposability was your free pass. Through your man-hating ways, you gave up that pass.
Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Please keep it up. What you’re doing is working.
@Cerberus, too much truth to quote, as usual.
@Krasnaya Koshka
Well to start off with they’ll immediately try to equate liberal progressivism and secular humanism as philisophical equivalents to their own ideal. To “cure” such a hateful form of belief is more marketing and chance rather than skills of the orator. It’s possible, not likely and most of the time you’re better off meeting and dismissing them outright on your own terms.
Well if there’s one thing that’s a bit sleazy, make them think changing their mind is their idea, you know like a very persuasive sales person.
@Axecalibur
Two words, actually. It means either a woman who brews and sells beer, or a species of Atlantic herring.
@Krasnaya Koshka
I am making increasingly less half-hearted attempts to implement such a thing pre-apocalyptically; I have now got as far as a mission statement a potential location, and some really cool ideas. The next step, of course, is to turn that into something that’ll convince people to give me money to do it. If anyone would care to assist in this matter, even just to the point of poking me about it/reading over things, please do let me know. It’s the very devil to do alone, and my spoon supply is pretty limited most of the time.
Also, I know I’ve mentioned it here before, but as there’s a few people I don’t recall seeing then, the old Pharyngula Lounge has been resurrected as the Speakeasy over at The Orbit blog network. Folks who don’t know what I’m talking about are welcome too; it’s a kind of constantly renewed open thread.
I like apocalyptic fiction. Probably because I grew up on The Stand.
But of course, I’m capable of separating fiction from reality.
I think apocalyptic fantasy is a reflection of someone’s dissatisfaction with their lives. Society breaks down and you get a do over. You in theory get a chance to make yourself into whatever you want to be. That often happens in fiction anyway. In life it probably wouldn’t be quite so simple. I’ve had times where I’ve been depressed and had apocalyptic fantasies. They just weren’t tinged with bigotry like the RoKer’s are. Plus I’m self aware enough to get where the fantasy comes from.
Okee dokee there Mark.
@Mark
Sure Mark sure, please continue your toxic belief that people are merely meat shields for your own armchair general fantasies. Meanwhile we’re busy with keeping people alive and happy, which tends to make alot more people trusting and loyal.
EDIT: Do you guys want to know more of authoritarians? Do you want to know more of Accelerated Christian Learning?
http://prestersperspective.blogspot.com/?m=1
This is a blog of a person I know fairly well who has first hand accounts of such things.
It’s incredibly horrifying and will make you question if your gods even care about the things done in their names.
Free pass to do what? Be kept as the property of our fathers and then our husbands? Yeah, I’ll happily relinquish that pass live in a post feminism culture. Even if it makes whiny misogynists like you angry. Especially if it makes whiny misogynists like you angry. Your anger is kind of a bonus. Keep fantasizing about the zombie apocalypse, bub. It’s all you’ve got.
@cleverforagirl
That’s hilarious. I would love to see ‘J’ attempt to troubleshoot problems with loaves of bread. Hell, I love cooking and baking and it’s challenging for me, let alone for someone who can’t even boil pasta.
Feminism woke men up to the misandric nature of marriage – which it turns out – is nothing more than a state enforced transfer of wealth (theft) from men to women (alimony, asset division, child support).
Every day that feminism lives – it’s a reminder to men to never give a woman power over their lives. All across the Western world (Scandinavia, the Netherlands, the EU, Australia, Japan and the US), men are opting out of marriage. Birth rates are in the basement because women can’t find men with money (the wise men are hiding). In fact, they’re opting out of marriage so much so that many of these countries are implementing de facto marriage, de facto relationships and taxes upon men that refuse marriage. Sound familiar? Scandinavia is now a gynocentric man-hate tax state. That’s exactly what Rome did right before it collapsed.
I’m so glad I lived in a period in which men thumbed their collective noses at the entitled women. Women unwittingly freed men from the slavery of marriage to women.
Welcome, Lone Galtian Bootstrapper, and thanks! You’re making me feel all aw shucksy!
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Also welcome to Ice Cream for Breakfast..
No welcome for you though, Mark. Is it just me, or is Mark a common troll name. I feel bad for all the nice Marks.
Ghost trolls are even scarier.
I can’t help thinking that the apocalypse these guys are describing is very specific. The likelihood that we will get a “Mad Max/Gor” scenario with supermodel harems is not that likely considering all the variables. What if it’s a machine takeover? What if there’s disease? What if it’s a natural disaster? What if there’s zombies, or aliens, or dragons, or who the fuck even knows? This fantasy somehow manages to be totally uncreative and yet totally impossible at the same time. Nobody smart wants an apocalypse, because the reality is with so many unknowns it’s so much more likely to kill you than help you. Thinking that those odds are going to be in your favor is simply delusional.