The Red Pillers and other extreme misogynists I write about regularly on this blog live in something of a fantasy world. And while their fantasies about the present are tempered — at least somewhat — by reality, their fantasies of the future are not; they can let their fetid imaginations roam.
And so it’s no surprise that the visions of the future that dance in the heads of so many Red Piller resemble bad science fiction. Or that so many of them involve the allegedly stuck-up women of today getting their ultimate comeuppance.
Some dream that sex robots and artificial wombs will make women “obsolete.” Others dream of impending catastrophes that will force uppity women to turn to men, humbly and meekly, begging for protection.
A recent post on Return of Kings with the unsubtle title “4 Reasons Why Collapse Will Be The Best Thing To Happen For Men” offers an elaborate revenge fantasy for deeply insecure would-be alpha males. The improbably named “Corey Savage” makes clear from the start that his apocalyptic predictions fantasies are rooted in his desire to say “told you so” to “feminist harpies’ and “loser male feminists.”
As Savage sees it, our world is close to being overwhelmed by economic disasters, “widespread degeneracy and demographic upheavals … Collapse in the near future appears to be a matter of when, not if.”
But fear not, men — “the destruction of the world as we know it could be the best thing that ever happens” to you. With the bravado of a teenager telling his mom that “you’re not the boss of me,” Savage predicts the ultimate collapse of evil dictatorships and the so-called “nanny state.”
With the Frankenstein centralized governments no longer around to dictate people’s lives and use them as lab rats for their social experiments, you will have all the freedom in the world. No more taxes, no more surveillance, no more PC policing, no more divorce courts, no more forced multiculturalism, and so on. You alone will be responsible for your life with no one to bail you out and no one to blame.
In this libertarian world, Savage imagines,
you’ll be free to create the society you want. Still think Communist utopia is possible? Good luck. Want to start an all-white Aryan state? Be my guest. Want to create a progressive rainbow society without all the racist-sexist-homo-transphobe-Nazi-bigots? Great, get out of my sight.
Just don’t get too uppity, you man-hating ladies!
Think all men are rapists and want to live in a lesbian tribe? Have fun trying to build anything or defending yourselves (assuming you even have something worthwhile to defend.)
Ah, yes, now we come to the heart of the fantasy: women and “wimps” being put in their supposed place.
No more corporate serfdom, no more putrid consumerism, no more technological slavery, and no safe spaces for the cry-babies to hide and cry in. Wimps, complainers, and the weak will not survive.
No complainers? Weird, because almost all I ever hear from Return of Kings is complaints.
Savage sets forth a vision of a “masculine” restoration that is equal parts Fight Club and The Secret Life of Walter Mitty.
One of the best aspect of the new order would be the return of masculine virtue. [O]nly an organized group of men with strength, courage, mastery, and honor … will prevail in the post-apocalyptic world. Men will be men again.
Who knows what savage energy is begging to be unleashed within that man serving as an office drone? Who knows if that guy flipping burgers for a minimum wage will become the future tribal leader? How many men today are living jaded and unfulfilling lives when they could be fighters and warriors instead?
I don’t know, but the number is certainly a lot smaller than the number of men who think that the endless hours they’ve spent playing Fallout have prepared them for real life postapocalyptic warrioring.
And now we come to the “told you so” section of Savage’s apocalyptic fantasy — which is really the whole point of the thing.
And guess what? There won’t be feminist harpies demanding “equality” when strong men are needed to rebuild civilization and defend against gangs and rival tribes. They’ll be begging for some of that “toxic” masculinity to come and protect them. They’ll kneel in submission to a patriarchal order faster than they would have screamed “rape!” in the previous world.
Keep it in your pants, dude. You’re embarrassing yourself.
Suddenly, with their government boyfriend gone and the internet white knights nowhere to to be found, their whole feminist charade will shatter and the ridiculousness of it all will become apparent. The unstable and fat ones will likely disappear first as they offer no value to anyone.
Yep, his vision of the future is basically an elaboration of the classic misogynist rallying cry: NO FAT CHICKS.
Also in the new world, the SJWs and the rest of the progressive freaks will die faster than a gay snowman in Saudi Arabia. … There won’t be anymore idiotic debates about who is right or wrong: only who survives and who doesn’t.
Evidently Savage is so tired of having his ass handed to him in these “idiotic debates” that he’d rather have the whole world collapse in a heap rather than endure another humiliating loss.
I would love to see how well the loser male-feminists fare against the very men they love to bash without a computer screen to hide behind.
Says a guy who bashes feminists while, well, hiding behind a computer screen, telling readers on the About page of his blog that “[d]etails about myself are not as important as the content that I write here.”
The impatient Savage ends his manifesto by encouraging his readers to, well, help the collapse come a little faster.
The change you want to see is not going to appear peacefully through some online arguments, petitions, protests, or asinine ‘democratic’ processes. You cannot fix a rotting society; you must tear it all down and start from scratch.
So Savage wants men to use non-peaceful tactics to “tear … down” what he thinks is a decadent and “degenerate” society in order to humble women and bring back the patriarchal rule of men?
That sounds more than a little bit like the “Islamic terror” that the boys at Return of Kings are always railing against.
@kupo
Sex Marxism, horrendous term indeed. I didn’t even know until recently this was a thing, and I learned about it here. Basically, they see it as ‘redistribution of wealth’, i.e. redistribution of pussy so that all men, even the deeply unpalatable MRA variety get an equal share. This is based on the belief that sex is a resource to be consumed and not withheld from the lowest members of society. Women therefore are not people, but the providers of sex, and since they own 100% of the worlds vaginas and males own 0% (ok, this is not correct because of the numbers of trans and intersex persons who do not even exist in MRA reality) it’s perfectly reasonably for men to help themselves to the vagina owners ‘wealth’, preferably without consent, as they are owed it by society.
As a Communist, this just makes me gag.
David Futrelle,
I have a feeling that Corey Savage wouldn’t be able to live very long without the internet. He should be careful what he wishes for.
I was just thinking that. Here’s one that was still operating as of 2009:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/fashion/01womyn.html
Most lesbian separatist communities gradually died out from lack of interest as life on the outside got better for LGBT people. As far as I know, women didn’t pour out of them crying because they broke a nail and begging men to build things for them.
I want to see the comedy mayhem when the women and ‘beta male manginas’ plot and execute their plan to escape from the alphas (because all they’re allowed to do is the grunt work) in this scenario:
Alpha male: Super Alpha Male, sir! All of the women and white knights have escaped again!
Super Alpha male: Gather the rest of the Alphas, quick!
*a short while later*
Super Alpha male: All right! I need eight men for a raiding party to get us more serv- er, women. And make sure they’re hotties! Bring along the cucks to do our grunt work. I also need four of you to make the lunch, two to the dishes and sweep, and another two to do the laundry. Get on it!
*rest of the Alphas fight over who has to do the chores*
fin
Ooh, ooh, I’m shit at physical labor but I can train people for melee fighting! Also good with tools and visualizing in 3D, so building is a thing I can do. I have a bunch of useful tidbits of knowledge, too.
This guy is so wrong it’s funny. I kind of want to actually throw him into that situation. We need a holodeck, stat. 🙂
I have few survival skills but I bet I’d survive longer than this prat. First, id go to my sister’s house to hide, then raid any shop that stocked seeds, to cultivate a garden. Raid shops for wool and fabric, used crochet and sewing skills in exchange for other goods. Raid the local chemists for my medication and other medical supplies.
It’s a fantasy of course, but more realistic than the OP’s hate wank screed.
@Snork Maiden:
That place looks like a perfect Zombie apocalypse refuge, provided you could get enough supplies into it for a small group of people. I think something very like it was mentioned in World War Z.
Ive got a handful of first aid skills, the ability to make cold weather clothing and accessories, (I live above the snow line), and how to properly clean, and cook, fish and game. I also possess, 1 brother who is a fire- paramedic, 1 sister who was a nurse, 1 brother who is a fixer of broken machinery, and I myself have an uncanny ability to learn very quickly and think outside the box. I offer these minuscule abilities to whatever peaceful group would have me, (as long as I was allowed to bring along my more skilled family members.)
But then we all grew up poor. Poor people must be self reliant and cooperative. It’s people like Savage who seem to be under the mistaken impression that “a man” is self made, or some such nonsense.
Buttercup and Saphira-
That was the first thing that jumped out at me. Like, the people best able to cope with an agrarian subsistence society would be the people already doing that, which would likely mean the type of people that Mr. Savage would consider “backwards” and “uncivilized” and so forth. They would be the best able to cope, because they would already have all the knowledge and tools and not much would change for them compared to all the First-worlders needing to figure shit out on the fly in an environment designed to make that type of living difficult.
And in the first-world countries like the U.S., guys like Mr. Savage would be extra doomed, because for all the survivalist militia fantasies he has, he has no real experience surviving.
Like, you know what Americans are going to be best able to handle the apocalypse? It’s not going to be some overprivileged white boy with enough disposable income to continuously expand his Shooty McShootface collection made and angry that some people on the internet aren’t nazis.
It’s going to be undocumented farm hands who’re already used to being nomadic and know how to actually grow and harvest crops. It’s going to be the folks who’ve had to grow up in neighborhoods that the system has plain abandoned, where rigging up electricity and scavenging and participating in an alternative economy and getting each other’s backs from hostile gangs (cops) is already a daily occurrence.
It’s going to be those queer “tumblr” youth, they decry. Like, they forget that so many queer folk have all this PTSD and like trigger warnings and stuff is that we’ve actually seen shit and had to handle really stressful survival decisions that they’ve never had to.
Who’s going to best survive in our cities, where the most food and shelter is? Some dope who’s relied on regular food deliveries to his local grocery chain store? Or kids who’ve had to live on the streets, literally dodging cops because their lives are illegal, fighting off bashers, creating alternate forms of economy, and knowing where and how to scavenge for food, and how to survive in extreme environments without shelter or adequate clothes or food? Who’ve been living on the streets for years cause they were kicked out when they were teenagers?
These fantasies just end up being transparent and pathetic, because it’s these overprivileged manbabies born on 3rd base in a developed society that reinforces the social advantage of their whiteness, cisness, maleness, straightness, and so on who are just so convinced that despite being the type of assholes who can’t handle the existence of other people different than them, all the lies about their superior value they tell each other just must be true and so somehow they’d find the ability to do all this intense physical labor and urban survival despite having never done a single bit of anything like it.
It’s like, sorry, chap, movies lied to you. White people aren’t actually able to pick up any other culture they want and excel at it within minutes.
And none of that even notes how cooperation trumps going lone wolf any day (like, there’s a reason it’s evolutionary favorable and that’ll become clear the second you realize that you can’t be on watch all the time just by yourself), how being toxic to other survivors is reacted to in societies where there are no racist, sexist court systems defending them, or how if their plan one is being super violent and “alpha”, how maybe the people who’ll have the advantage being raiders might be the kids who’ve grown up in neighborhoods where they actually had to kill to survive and have had some experience dodging bullets rather than the CoD players who assume that being shot at in real life has all the strawberry jam of their favorite vidya game.
I can fill out the forms for an EU ‘Single Farm Payment Subsidy’ which seems to be the most important agricultural skill here in Cornwall; so I’d be an asset to any agrarian community.
Isn’t their whole Mad Max-style apocalypse fantasy an indictment of the idea that the right to bear arms, and not popular support for governing ourselves democratically, is what keeps us free?
I notice it’s never “we’ll use our guns to restore order and help rebuild a democratic society in which everyone has the right to vote” — but more like, “you’ll be our cowering, quivering sex slaves and submit yourselves to our rule…er, I mean, we’ll protect you”.
Makes one wonder what they have against a group like ISIS. Seems more like jealousy than anything else.
I doubt I’d survive an apocalypse, but if I somehow did, maybe I’d be a caregiver of some sort. Maybe be PI’s teammate in caring for kids so their mothers will be free during the day to do other work for the community, and I’d do the grunt work for her with my ok back and legs but zero skills in food preservation or gardening.
Or as a dog lover who works at a doggie daycare, I would care for the guard/hunting/therapy dogs.
One of my favorite ASOIAF quotes is from Ned to Arya. “When the snow falls and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives. ”
So true 🙂
I’ve played 100’s of hours of Fallout 3! And have a sword. But I’d survive by filling my bunker with chocolate. Everyone will want to trade with the “chocolate lady (who has a sword)”. And as I live in a cellar, I can easily defend it. That’s about as much thought as I have put into my post-apocalptic planning, though a sweep of my local pharmacy will be needed to keep me in Med-X.
If the apocalypse happens y’all can have all my stuff. Let’s face it, I won’t last an hour.
@ IP
Actually after hearing about everyone’s plans and skillsets here the apocalypse is looking pretty attractive.
I’d certainly find it easier to eat healthy and I like the idea of lounging with dogs and listening to story tellers.
Armageddon? Bring it on!
All of that just tells me they down deep know, their world is becoming smaller and smaller. The light is fading out of their cave. So they hope for an end of the world situation to resurrect their dying klan. A desperate grasping at fake masculinity (because reading about it on the Internet makes you Alpha lol), video game fantasy violence and bro hope. So much bro hope and whiner heart tears.
@varalys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M29E4Q94PPA
(4:40, I don’t know how to do the timecode thing)
Re: survival skills
I’m alright with a skillet, I’m a good runner, and I’m young enough that my terribly unhealthy lifestyle hasn’t yet resulted in my demise. But yeah, seconding IP. Even if I survive the immediate nuclear fallout, I either starve or the marauders get me. Those are my options
The inherent problem of an armaggeddon is that, if it destroy civilization, it mean at least 20% of the population die (or, most likely, significantly more).
Regardless of how good my survival skills could be, I would not wish for a 20% odds of me dying, especially when it seem realistic to establish a farm in the mountains without any armaggeddon.
I shall bring the sourdough and cats! Also, you guys are going to totes need an alewife since most of the fresh water will otherwise be undrinkable. Small beer and short mead for EVERYONE!
(but seriously, a group of guys who can’t even cook for themselves seem to think that life without technology is going to be awesome?)
@cleverforagirl : anything they don’t know how to do, they assume is easy. I am pretty sure their answer to cooking is that “it will be BBQ every day !” forgetting that butchery is, actually, a not-trivial skill.
In the same way, I am about 100% certain they think they would be able to hunt with a bow, that they would be able to actually build the bow (it’s easy ! with modern-day rope.), and that their abs would mean they would have a great day in a forest (trekking require an entirely different training from bodybuilding, and require quite a bit of fat ; fat and resistance to pain are in my experience the main thing needed for the physical part of trekking through the wild)
I’m a writer and I wrote a story about the apocalypse, which ended up with queer folks beating up a bunch of college guys who are basically all MRAS/PUAs/Trolls/ect. It was fun.
Come to think of it, I don’t have any real weapons except the aforementioned bear mace and a big fuck-off knife my brother got me for my birthday.
I also have a little pellet pistol that looks like a beretta if we need to intimidate someone.
Sooooo, are feminazi sjw keeping this guy from developing “strength, courage, mastery, and honor”?!
I like to make fun of my spouse because he has been practicing for the apocalypse for decades… like… literally… decades. But has been able to keep up on his manly “strength, courage, mastery, and honor” AND he finds time to be a feminist as well. Which is the reason why I maintain my “War Tsar” and a decentralized army of skilled Henchmen.
I don’t even believe in ‘the apocalypse’ but progressive societal change will change our lives, that’s for sure. If such a thing did happen I could write about the most awesome story of ROI ever!
Methinks Corey Savage is an underachiever 😀
@Cerberus
I join you in wondering how on Earth they can fail – every single time they bring up their little apocalypse fantasy – to consider that those most likely to have the skills needed to survive the aftermath of an apocalypse might be the ones who need some subset of those skills to navigate their everyday lives pre-apocalypse.
Also, you would think that if they sincerely believe the apocalypse is just a matter of time and will happen during our lifetime, they would be actively trying to acquire as many survival skills as possible. Instead of fantasizing about it on the internet.