The Red Pillers and other extreme misogynists I write about regularly on this blog live in something of a fantasy world. And while their fantasies about the present are tempered — at least somewhat — by reality, their fantasies of the future are not; they can let their fetid imaginations roam.
And so it’s no surprise that the visions of the future that dance in the heads of so many Red Piller resemble bad science fiction. Or that so many of them involve the allegedly stuck-up women of today getting their ultimate comeuppance.
Some dream that sex robots and artificial wombs will make women “obsolete.” Others dream of impending catastrophes that will force uppity women to turn to men, humbly and meekly, begging for protection.
A recent post on Return of Kings with the unsubtle title “4 Reasons Why Collapse Will Be The Best Thing To Happen For Men” offers an elaborate revenge fantasy for deeply insecure would-be alpha males. The improbably named “Corey Savage” makes clear from the start that his apocalyptic predictions fantasies are rooted in his desire to say “told you so” to “feminist harpies’ and “loser male feminists.”
As Savage sees it, our world is close to being overwhelmed by economic disasters, “widespread degeneracy and demographic upheavals … Collapse in the near future appears to be a matter of when, not if.”
But fear not, men — “the destruction of the world as we know it could be the best thing that ever happens” to you. With the bravado of a teenager telling his mom that “you’re not the boss of me,” Savage predicts the ultimate collapse of evil dictatorships and the so-called “nanny state.”
With the Frankenstein centralized governments no longer around to dictate people’s lives and use them as lab rats for their social experiments, you will have all the freedom in the world. No more taxes, no more surveillance, no more PC policing, no more divorce courts, no more forced multiculturalism, and so on. You alone will be responsible for your life with no one to bail you out and no one to blame.
In this libertarian world, Savage imagines,
you’ll be free to create the society you want. Still think Communist utopia is possible? Good luck. Want to start an all-white Aryan state? Be my guest. Want to create a progressive rainbow society without all the racist-sexist-homo-transphobe-Nazi-bigots? Great, get out of my sight.
Just don’t get too uppity, you man-hating ladies!
Think all men are rapists and want to live in a lesbian tribe? Have fun trying to build anything or defending yourselves (assuming you even have something worthwhile to defend.)
Ah, yes, now we come to the heart of the fantasy: women and “wimps” being put in their supposed place.
No more corporate serfdom, no more putrid consumerism, no more technological slavery, and no safe spaces for the cry-babies to hide and cry in. Wimps, complainers, and the weak will not survive.
No complainers? Weird, because almost all I ever hear from Return of Kings is complaints.
Savage sets forth a vision of a “masculine” restoration that is equal parts Fight Club and The Secret Life of Walter Mitty.
One of the best aspect of the new order would be the return of masculine virtue. [O]nly an organized group of men with strength, courage, mastery, and honor … will prevail in the post-apocalyptic world. Men will be men again.
Who knows what savage energy is begging to be unleashed within that man serving as an office drone? Who knows if that guy flipping burgers for a minimum wage will become the future tribal leader? How many men today are living jaded and unfulfilling lives when they could be fighters and warriors instead?
I don’t know, but the number is certainly a lot smaller than the number of men who think that the endless hours they’ve spent playing Fallout have prepared them for real life postapocalyptic warrioring.
And now we come to the “told you so” section of Savage’s apocalyptic fantasy — which is really the whole point of the thing.
And guess what? There won’t be feminist harpies demanding “equality” when strong men are needed to rebuild civilization and defend against gangs and rival tribes. They’ll be begging for some of that “toxic” masculinity to come and protect them. They’ll kneel in submission to a patriarchal order faster than they would have screamed “rape!” in the previous world.
Keep it in your pants, dude. You’re embarrassing yourself.
Suddenly, with their government boyfriend gone and the internet white knights nowhere to to be found, their whole feminist charade will shatter and the ridiculousness of it all will become apparent. The unstable and fat ones will likely disappear first as they offer no value to anyone.
Yep, his vision of the future is basically an elaboration of the classic misogynist rallying cry: NO FAT CHICKS.
Also in the new world, the SJWs and the rest of the progressive freaks will die faster than a gay snowman in Saudi Arabia. … There won’t be anymore idiotic debates about who is right or wrong: only who survives and who doesn’t.
Evidently Savage is so tired of having his ass handed to him in these “idiotic debates” that he’d rather have the whole world collapse in a heap rather than endure another humiliating loss.
I would love to see how well the loser male-feminists fare against the very men they love to bash without a computer screen to hide behind.
Says a guy who bashes feminists while, well, hiding behind a computer screen, telling readers on the About page of his blog that “[d]etails about myself are not as important as the content that I write here.”
The impatient Savage ends his manifesto by encouraging his readers to, well, help the collapse come a little faster.
The change you want to see is not going to appear peacefully through some online arguments, petitions, protests, or asinine ‘democratic’ processes. You cannot fix a rotting society; you must tear it all down and start from scratch.
So Savage wants men to use non-peaceful tactics to “tear … down” what he thinks is a decadent and “degenerate” society in order to humble women and bring back the patriarchal rule of men?
That sounds more than a little bit like the “Islamic terror” that the boys at Return of Kings are always railing against.
@ buttercup (or anyone who might know)
Who was the first person to watch someone die in absolute agony after eating kidney beans who then said “Well, I still reckon they look tasty. Maybe try soaking them for a bit?“. That’s commitment.
@dust bunny
Nah. In the magical dreamland of the manosphere, human-level artificial intelligence will be widely available by 2020 or so, and those sexbots will be able to do any and all household chores, raise children, and even teach elementary school!
We’re already 20 to 30% on the way to simulating the 302 neurons and 95 muscle cells of a nematode, after all, and once we’ve managed that, it’s trivial to generalize that to a human’s 86 billion neurons, apparently?
(Also, that brain simulation will totally run on inexpensive consumer hardware that isn’t even fast enough to faithfully emulate Pong at full speed, somehow, and the sudden availability of affordable robots that are able to do any job a woman can do will not pose any threat whatsoever to the job prospects or prosperity of unexceptional men.)
Mish:
One with all the best brains.
I like how these schmucks never seem to think of the possibility of male sexbots making men obsolete.
These kind of posts are the WHTM posts I like best…So much fun. 🙂 Thank you all. 🙂
These guys may have stumbled upon a great idea for a video game.
And then you give the game a real economy, with trading required for food and fuel and bullets and metal and crafting and whatnot. See which one is gonna end up the top dog.
Oh man, that sounds good.
Every time I read one of these fantasies about what happens after the apocalypse (was there a song with the chorus Apocolipso? I kept hearing someone singing that in my head while I was reading this)
I have to chuckle when they talk about how they will be free of the Government at last because you know who has spent millions if not billions of dollars planning for disasters, who has detailed plans and has salt mines full of things like money and other supplies?
That’s right the Government.
The US, for example has been planning for things like the day after World War 3 for decades now – Not only would these would be super men not be free of the state, the state would be pretty damn aggressive in restoring control – think tanks and the like.
No no, @Michael P, they can’t do that. See, men have the *seed*, so you can’t replace that. Women are just, like, ovens, yanno. Baby-ovens. You can build those.
(So rational!)
Sigh. Does this dude really believe that no one values overweight women? Does he never see overweight women in loving, committed relationships? He really cannot be living in the same world I live in because in my world so-called fat women are very valuable to their loved ones. Ditto women of color, disabled women, LGBT women, etc.
Thank goodness that MRAs don’t do much except write long screeds on the internet. They are toxic and dangerous.
The part about fat women is hilarious. Fat women (and men) will outlive everyone else, because where a thin person will starve, a fat one will lose weight, duh.
@Mish
Sounds good! If it’s okay with Krasnaya, I’ll raise the WHTM flag there. I’ll forage for mushrooms and wait for everybody else to show up. Hmm. I guess I’d better get some instructions about which mushrooms are tasty and which are lethal. Survival: it’s kind of complex!
Best fantasy protection racket in the world. Women will bow down to men to get protection from other men. Or something.
ooh, can I come to the Krasnya House too? My skills as an AI researcher probably wouldn’t be all that useful, but I used to be a wilderness survival instructor when I was young. I can build a bed out of spruce that feels like sleeping on a cloud, mattress and all, and I can build a cooking pot out of birch bark and prayer. Can I come to the clubhouse?
@Patricia, <3. I think they're incapable of believing that other people have preferences different from theirs. And their preferences are mostly formed out of pornography and hate. It's gross.
@ kat
If the survivors are to be believed, Amanita are both.
@Scildfreja
Love that idea. Let’s make it. I’m a writer, I can… write. Also I can code basic Python, but that’s not very useful.
Also,
ANYONE who plays any Fallout game (or any other post-apocalyptic game, from Wasteland to one of my favorites, The Last of Us, or even Techland’s zombie utopias where no matter how rich or poor they are, they’re all equal in decaying zombieness) and doesn’t immediately think “I wouldn’t survive 10 minutes in such a world” is utterly and irremediably deluded. Aaaaaand guess what ? That’s a GOOD thing. The one lesson post-apocalyptic fiction teaches us is that our humanity is a fragile thing that can only exist because we live in a relatively safe civilization.
TL;DR these morons fantasize about an apocalypse, while at the same time entirely missing the point, not understanding the first basic thing they’d lose in it. Maybe because they lack that thing in the first place ?
not entirely related but when i was growing up i knew a guy named “sam savage”. i always assumed it was like, just a myspace name or something but as it turns out; that was actually his name
@ Professor Fate
Could you be thinking of Jimmy Buffett’s “Apocalypso”?
When this earthly light is burning low
This dance will take you to the next plateau
Apocalyp…apocalyp…apocalypso
We’ll be dancin’ when we go
We’ll be dancin’ when we go
I know how to punch down a tree and build a really OP enderman farm, so I’m all set.
Has anyone reported this ad?:
“1 Weird Trick That Turns On Any Girl
Men’s Daily Digest”
Seems like visionaries like Savage have been around forever…
“Able-bodied, clean-minded women we want also–mothers and teachers. No lackadaisical ladies–no blasted rolling eyes. We can’t have any weak or silly. Life is real again, and the useless and cumbersome and mischievous have to die. They ought to die. They ought to be willing to die. It’s a sort of disloyalty, after all, to live and taint the race… That’s how we shall save the race. Eh?”
Chances are, Savage is probably an awful lot like the artilleryman in other ways, too…
“…when I saw the work he had spent a week upon–it was a burrow scarcely ten yards long, which he designed to reach to the main drain on Putney Hill–I had my first inkling of the gulf between his dreams and his powers. Such a hole I could have dug in a day.”
I think it would be quite generous to call Savage a “strange undisciplined dreamer of great things [left] to his drink and gluttony.”
(For those who haven’t twigged to it, it’s from H.G. Wells’s The War of the Worlds.)
I remember having almost exactly this conversation once before on a different blog… and I swear some of the same people were even in it. There was even a spreadsheet with everyone’s skills etc. plugged into it. I’ll try to find a link, resurrect that sucker. Getting ready to go out now, so it’ll have to wait.
@kupo
You thought that? I know of the “a cuddle with a struggle” gross phrase, but I immediately read the embroidery as “Let’s take down capitalism and then snuggle!”
The MRAs and Mgtow want the world to be like Gor, an world where women are property and sex slaves and the world is ruled by big manly men basically
Hi, this is in response to Professor Fate’s comment about the Apocalypse song.
I’m a looong time lurker and hope to comment again in the future, although I learn so much from the commenters here I probably wouldn’t have much to say!
But in Australia, there’s this song called Apocalypso – more to do the eternal struggle between Santa and the Devil, than the end of the world, but I wondered it this might be what the Prof was thinking of
Sure buddy, have fun when the internet stops working and you can’t Google “how to stop shitting myself to death”
I’m shit at physical labor (I can still do some small stuff though) because I have a fucked-up back and legs, but I’m an alright cook and I have basic knowledge of canning, jarring, and some preservation methods. I’m also good with kids for short periods of time, and I’m learning some gardening basics as well.
And if I need reference, I have some books I can take with me to the Rainbow Commune for everyone to share! 😀 We’ll need to build up a library of knowledge so we can teach the little ones when they’re old enough.
I can also bring some fun reading as well, if anyone’s interested. That stuff’s worth preserving too!