The Red Pillers and other extreme misogynists I write about regularly on this blog live in something of a fantasy world. And while their fantasies about the present are tempered — at least somewhat — by reality, their fantasies of the future are not; they can let their fetid imaginations roam.
And so it’s no surprise that the visions of the future that dance in the heads of so many Red Piller resemble bad science fiction. Or that so many of them involve the allegedly stuck-up women of today getting their ultimate comeuppance.
Some dream that sex robots and artificial wombs will make women “obsolete.” Others dream of impending catastrophes that will force uppity women to turn to men, humbly and meekly, begging for protection.
A recent post on Return of Kings with the unsubtle title “4 Reasons Why Collapse Will Be The Best Thing To Happen For Men” offers an elaborate revenge fantasy for deeply insecure would-be alpha males. The improbably named “Corey Savage” makes clear from the start that his apocalyptic predictions fantasies are rooted in his desire to say “told you so” to “feminist harpies’ and “loser male feminists.”
As Savage sees it, our world is close to being overwhelmed by economic disasters, “widespread degeneracy and demographic upheavals … Collapse in the near future appears to be a matter of when, not if.”
But fear not, men — “the destruction of the world as we know it could be the best thing that ever happens” to you. With the bravado of a teenager telling his mom that “you’re not the boss of me,” Savage predicts the ultimate collapse of evil dictatorships and the so-called “nanny state.”
With the Frankenstein centralized governments no longer around to dictate people’s lives and use them as lab rats for their social experiments, you will have all the freedom in the world. No more taxes, no more surveillance, no more PC policing, no more divorce courts, no more forced multiculturalism, and so on. You alone will be responsible for your life with no one to bail you out and no one to blame.
In this libertarian world, Savage imagines,
you’ll be free to create the society you want. Still think Communist utopia is possible? Good luck. Want to start an all-white Aryan state? Be my guest. Want to create a progressive rainbow society without all the racist-sexist-homo-transphobe-Nazi-bigots? Great, get out of my sight.
Just don’t get too uppity, you man-hating ladies!
Think all men are rapists and want to live in a lesbian tribe? Have fun trying to build anything or defending yourselves (assuming you even have something worthwhile to defend.)
Ah, yes, now we come to the heart of the fantasy: women and “wimps” being put in their supposed place.
No more corporate serfdom, no more putrid consumerism, no more technological slavery, and no safe spaces for the cry-babies to hide and cry in. Wimps, complainers, and the weak will not survive.
No complainers? Weird, because almost all I ever hear from Return of Kings is complaints.
Savage sets forth a vision of a “masculine” restoration that is equal parts Fight Club and The Secret Life of Walter Mitty.
One of the best aspect of the new order would be the return of masculine virtue. [O]nly an organized group of men with strength, courage, mastery, and honor … will prevail in the post-apocalyptic world. Men will be men again.
Who knows what savage energy is begging to be unleashed within that man serving as an office drone? Who knows if that guy flipping burgers for a minimum wage will become the future tribal leader? How many men today are living jaded and unfulfilling lives when they could be fighters and warriors instead?
I don’t know, but the number is certainly a lot smaller than the number of men who think that the endless hours they’ve spent playing Fallout have prepared them for real life postapocalyptic warrioring.
And now we come to the “told you so” section of Savage’s apocalyptic fantasy — which is really the whole point of the thing.
And guess what? There won’t be feminist harpies demanding “equality” when strong men are needed to rebuild civilization and defend against gangs and rival tribes. They’ll be begging for some of that “toxic” masculinity to come and protect them. They’ll kneel in submission to a patriarchal order faster than they would have screamed “rape!” in the previous world.
Keep it in your pants, dude. You’re embarrassing yourself.
Suddenly, with their government boyfriend gone and the internet white knights nowhere to to be found, their whole feminist charade will shatter and the ridiculousness of it all will become apparent. The unstable and fat ones will likely disappear first as they offer no value to anyone.
Yep, his vision of the future is basically an elaboration of the classic misogynist rallying cry: NO FAT CHICKS.
Also in the new world, the SJWs and the rest of the progressive freaks will die faster than a gay snowman in Saudi Arabia. … There won’t be anymore idiotic debates about who is right or wrong: only who survives and who doesn’t.
Evidently Savage is so tired of having his ass handed to him in these “idiotic debates” that he’d rather have the whole world collapse in a heap rather than endure another humiliating loss.
I would love to see how well the loser male-feminists fare against the very men they love to bash without a computer screen to hide behind.
Says a guy who bashes feminists while, well, hiding behind a computer screen, telling readers on the About page of his blog that “[d]etails about myself are not as important as the content that I write here.”
The impatient Savage ends his manifesto by encouraging his readers to, well, help the collapse come a little faster.
The change you want to see is not going to appear peacefully through some online arguments, petitions, protests, or asinine ‘democratic’ processes. You cannot fix a rotting society; you must tear it all down and start from scratch.
So Savage wants men to use non-peaceful tactics to “tear … down” what he thinks is a decadent and “degenerate” society in order to humble women and bring back the patriarchal rule of men?
That sounds more than a little bit like the “Islamic terror” that the boys at Return of Kings are always railing against.
I know that Mark has been banned, but just in case he comes back, I want to leave him the most condescending thing I’ve ever written.
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Mark. Can I call you Mark? Well, of course, since you chose “mark” as your nickname.
So, Mark. What are you doing in here, Mark? No, really, what are you trying to accomplish here, Mark? Mark, you’ve said that you consider marriage to be “theft”. You said that, Mark. You said that men being “trapped into marriage” is a terrible thing, didn’t you, Mark? (Let’s ignore that men could’ve simply chose to not marry, Mark. Or that women had no say in who they married, Mark. Or that they, the women, were treated like property, Mark.)
But anyway, Mark, you consider men being forced into marriage to be a terrible thing, didn’t you, Mark? Therefore, Mark, you should be glad that these feminists here are against men being forced into marrying them. Isn’t that what you wanted, Mark? Why, it IS, Mark!
…Then, Mark, why are you whining at feminists about this? Why are you trying to make feminists change their idea on this, Mark? Mark, you said that wanted men to not be forced into marriage; but then, Mark, you whine at feminists who do NOT want to force men into marriage, Mark. Mark, I’m confused. Do you WANT men to be forced into marriage, Mark, or you do NOT want that, Mark? It can’t be both, Mark.
Seems to ME, Mark, that you don’t care about marriage at all. Mark, I’m not sorry to tell you, but… I don’t think you care about men being (supposedly) forced into marriage, Mark. You just whine about it, Mark. Actually, Mark, let me correct that statement: you just whine at feminists – at women, Mark. Why do you whine solely at women, Mark? Do you have something against women, Mark? Eh, Mark?
Also, Mark, I don’t get you about this bit: the bit where you, Mark, declare that you want stay away from women because they’re not worthy, or whatever reason that Mark (that is, you, Mark) has. You think that to be the right thing you should do, Mark. I don’t have a problem with that, Mark. I don’t have a problem with you staying away with women, Mark. Mark, what I do have a problem with, is that when women support your decision, you declare that to be “man-hating” Mark. Mark, I’m confused. So staying away from women is “man-hating”, Mark? Please, Mark, enlighten me. I don’t understand you, Mark.
And Mark. Mark. If you consider LGBT+ people to be “insignificant”, Mark, then why do you talk about them? Why does it bother you that they aren’t “trapped into marriage”, Mark? And why are you interested into woman-on-woman sex, Mark? Weren’t you going to stay away from women, Mark? Do you believe lesbians or bisexual women to not be “real” women, Mark? Mark, I don’t want to believe that you could be that much of a Bigot, Mark. Please explain, Mark. Mark. Mark, explain it to me. Mark.
One last thing, Mark: would you be okay if I came to your home and started talking about feminism, Mark? About women being people, Mark? And you wouldn’t be able to kick me out of your house, Mark. If you did that, Mark, that would be censorship. (Well, “censorship” as Mark defines it.) Wouldn’t it be, Mark? Would you endorse “censorship”, Mark? Would you justify feminists “censoring” people, Mark? Because, Mark, if you censor stuff in your own house or blog, then you wouldn’t be able to shame feminists from doing the same, Mark. Which is it, Mark? If you’re against, “censorship”, then you wouldn’t “censor” anyone, would you, Mark? Mark. MARK.
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@Monzach – you had me as soon as you mentioned Sir Pterry 🙂
There is no teal deering when good books are the topic!
@Tizio – THANK YOU
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Aww, I missed the troll.
Yeah, Mark’s military service claim is complete bullshit. He’s never served a day in his life. (I’m adamantly against doxxing, but people who threaten others with violence and make grandiose claims really should learn to cover their internet tracks better.) I don’t like people who falsely claim military service so they can use it as a shield for their obnoxious beliefs. I don’t like people who borrow the vet trump card and try to use it to demand hushed reverie so they can shut down debate (because they’re losing, badly). Actual soldiers sacrificed their lives so Mark could have the freedom to pretend to be one on the internet. What a scumbag.
Also seriously doubting the 6’3″ 300 lbs claim. That little meltdown smacked of Navy SEAL copypasta.
Back on the topic of survival, can I join the hippie Russian cabin commune? I have basic first aid and carpentry skills, know how to build a solar still, and can play music.
It occurs to me that if libraries and the internet disappeared, and people had to reconstruct all of history, art, science, literature, music, math, philosophy, etc. on their own, our side would do much better than their side at preserving human thought. Manospherians are so terrible at understanding people. Their idea of survival is stocking up on spices and junk silver coins so they’ll be instant barter-millionaires when the Large Hadron Collider wipes out all the manginas. They never seem to give any thought to the long term: how do we reclaim our humanity after the apocalypse? Sure, they might know how to build things. But they won’t understand why.
Strangely enough, starting from the position that one knows everything isn’t conducive to actually learning anything.
I want the world to end via interdimensional dragons.
Weird I know, but more imaginative than MRAs etc. manage.
Also, dull troll was dull.
This actual honorably-discharged veteran (U.S.) has a bunch of books and some kick-ass recipes to contribute to the post-apocalyptic commune. As well as a huge stock of fabrics, yarn, craft supplies, and the tools to use them. Oh! also construction tools; I could split them 50/50 with husbeast (who won’t be coming to Russia cuz he doesn’t do weather that includes snow*) and still have a respectable stockpile.
*We’ll still be able to skype, right?
Weird. (((Her Grace Phryne)))’s post keeps moving to the last place in the lineup. It happened when I refreshed and just now when I posted.
Wow, that was certainly something. That’s what I get for working in my garden after work and reading some Mercedes Lackey instead of being here.
I know I’m late to this, but aromantic allosexual is totally a thing. I’ve never had a serious relationship, just a dated a little in college, and never had the slightest urge to get married. Breakups left me feeling relieved rather than upset. A couple years ago I started wondering what was wrong with me that I was coming up on 40 and didn’t have any desire to be in a romantic relationship. Which was when I started digging around, discovered aromanticism and went, “That’s me!” Which is a long way of saying, yes and you’re not alone.
Firefly for the win.
@(((Phryne)))
Can you hear me, Your Grace!? You’re caught in a wormhole! Your very existence is falling ever forward thru time! Don’t panic! We’ll try and pull you back!
Seriously, is this a glitch in the comment code, or is it an issue on David’s end? Cos this keeps happening. I don’t mind, it’s a gas, but it’s super spooky O_o
@Mish
Thank YOU for the kitten picture.
Hey, I actually have a relevant textbook for that question!
Uh, it’d probably have to use an old version; the original architecture was Peer-To-Peer but the more recent ones are at least partially routed through microsoft servers because it’s difficult to connect peers through firewalls. Maintaining internet connectivity in general would be somewhat difficult but not intractable; as long as wired or satellite links are avaliable all it would take is having someone run a root DNS server and have everyone set their computers to query it or an intermediate server.
My books are mostly SF/F, but I’ve also got piles of comp-sci, Roman and Medieval European history, math, and science textbooks.
Oh no, I wasn’t suggesting that we already know everything, just that the right-wing survivalist types lack humility, and seem uninterested in anything outside of basic physical survival. If any human knowledge is going to get carried forward through the apocalypse, and used to seed further advancement, it’s going to take a dedicated effort from those who value knowledge for its own sake (likely, people who were experts in the field prior to the event), and who are able to put together the bits and pieces in useful form for future generations. In general, progressives seem to have a richer understanding of the past (as opposed to those who perpetually long for a 1950s that never existed), and are thus in a better position to preserve it accurately for their descendants.
Sometimes I wonder how much of the stuff locked inside my head I’d be able to retrieve on demand, without looking anything up. If I suddenly got flung back 1500 years ago, without any reference books, would I be able to tell the people of the past anything useful?
Now that I have kids who constantly ask “Why?” I’m getting a little taste of what that might be like.
@ Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Oh, I was referring to THEM, the assorted manospherians, not the ants – or progressive,SJ types. It’s like last night’s troll, he ‘knows’ what we want and believe so there is no need for him to listen. In a crisis situation, that kind of hubris would be fatal instead of merely laughable.
@pitshade – Oh, phew! Thanks for clarifying. 🙂
Yeah, hubris is definitely a drawback in a survival situation. I’ve seen quite a few RedPill threads along the lines of, “Are you ready for the apocalypse? Do you know grappling, wrestling, boxing? How would you react in a street fight? Are you familiar with firearm safety and usage?” and it’s just so face-palmy. Blizzards, disease, and crops don’t care if a person knows krav maga and owns fifty hand grenades. Arrogance is also fatal in any kind of cooperative venture. Ten alpha males banding together aren’t going to last very long.
Maybe because I posted it as a reply to a deleted post? Either that or I have seekrit feminist internet powerzz!
I was disappointed. I wanted him to ask if that was the best I could do. Oh well. 🙂
ETA: Oh, I also have some first aid training! Can I be in the commune too? I actually researched some stuff for starting a commune, so I have useful knowledge!
Halp! It’s the terrifying space monkeys! 🙂
I think it’s because I replied to… well, ok, that post wasn’t deleted, but I replied after he’d been banned, so maybe that’s it?
ETA: Oh! I can also bring to the commune a box of katanas, a husband who’s good at martial arts, an adorable, smart 8 year old, and a super-sweet, smart, and (theoretically) handsome 17 year old who is a great helper. We’ll definitely need to raid a pharmacy for ADHD meds and/or figure out how to make them; shouldn’t be difficult, since they’re basically methamphetamine. Dosage might be tricky.
Well, shoot. My ETA on the last reply didn’t go through, so I’ll put it here.
I can also bring to the commune a box of good, modern steel katanas, a martial artist who’s pretty good at teaching, an adorable, smart 8 year old, and a super-sweet, helpful, smart, and (theoretically) handsome 17 year old. (Theoretically because I don’t feel like I can judge this sort of thing since I’m his mom.) We will have to figure out how to make methamphetamine once the ADHD meds run out, but I think the trickier part will be figuring out the dosage. 🙂
@Phryne
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And that’s how we survive the apocalypse
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@Buttercup Q. Skullpants
No they didn’t. There hasn’t been a U.S. soldier who died for anyone’s freedoms since arguably WWII, and none of them have died for the freedoms of any Americans since the Civil War, and it turned out to be a pretty limited sort of freedom at that.
Exactly my thought. 🙂 I mean, we don’t take drugs to get high, just to be able to function, but yeah. I’m sure we have a chemist who can make it safely with the minimum amount of unwanted additives, right?
ETA: Hey, my last ETA DID go through! Huh.
Aw, I missed the troll. There were so many wrongs in there! Gloriously wrong wrongs, too! A 6’3, muscular, heavyweight, combat veteran, STEM engineer with patents! How believable! I guess the chan boards were looking for new content.
Anyways!
This is a whole lot like me, @WWTH and @chesselwitt! It sucks how other people look down on you or think you’re weird for it, but I’ve come to terms. I hope you guys find it easier, too.
#WHTM-Rainbow-Commune
I do not have a whole lot for our defense but I do have a very nice hand-forged Oakeshotte XVIII longsword, made for me by a smith in Quebec! It’s a steel waster, but it’s ready to take an edge if it needs it. Honestly, though, I’m far from the one to go to for that sort of thing. Most of my survival skills are tailored for the Canadian wilds, but I’m sure some of it would transfer over to Russia, otherwise! I assume there are birch trees over there.
Related – I’ve been thinking a lot about alternate modes of society as compared to our western ideas recently. Specifically, the various ways that we might travel from the basic ur-societies of our hunter-gatherer progenitors into something like our modern day. How would those people spend their time, what would be their entertainment, what would they consider important? Talking about building a new society after a disaster here has sort of hooked into that.
My current thinking has been how we would entertain ourselves if television and radio were never made available, and what that would do to our societies and the ample free time we have. I see lots of amateur theatre, novels, and amateur musicians – every household with a poet or artist, everyone with a bit of creative energy and a will to express it. Then I get sad that we don’t have that now :C
I know, I was using Mark’s own overheated rhetoric against him. There he is, sitting on his butt at a keyboard, going on and on about the Glorious Sacrifices soldiers have made for ungrateful women…forgetting that he too benefits from those sacrifices.
I’m also tired of people pretending U.S. military ventures are all about Freedom. Usually these are the same people working tirelessly to restrict women’s reproductive rights, enact racial profiling, and ensure that wherever you go, there are guns. America was a lot more free prior to 9/11.
I’m calling it now: Monzach and I are going to be the Commune Librarians, Purveyors and Protectors of the Ancient Tomes.
I have a few cookbooks, a couple of books on speaking french, a bit of YA fiction, and quite a few volumes of manga, if people are into that sort of thing. I also have a big book containing Gilbert and Sullivan’s Savoy operas, a hardcover edition of Alice in Wonderland for the kids, some Shel Silverstein, and two small paperbacks with The Canterbury Tales and Romeo and Juliet, so there’s some classics in there as well.
EDIT: I almost forgot my century-old volume one of a compilation of the works of Edgar Allen Poe, which has to be my best thrift store find ever, because I bought it for five dollars, and it’s actually worth about a hundred.
And no doubt I’ll have plenty more collected by the time the prophesied apocalypse rolls around.
I haven’t read all the comments, so I’m not sure if this has been said, but I always laugh when I hear about screeds like this. I work in a hospital. Something like 80% of our staff is female. I’d take any of them over an entitled asshole wannabe survivalist, thank you very much.
@PI
I have some gin.