The Red Pillers and other extreme misogynists I write about regularly on this blog live in something of a fantasy world. And while their fantasies about the present are tempered — at least somewhat — by reality, their fantasies of the future are not; they can let their fetid imaginations roam.
And so it’s no surprise that the visions of the future that dance in the heads of so many Red Piller resemble bad science fiction. Or that so many of them involve the allegedly stuck-up women of today getting their ultimate comeuppance.
Some dream that sex robots and artificial wombs will make women “obsolete.” Others dream of impending catastrophes that will force uppity women to turn to men, humbly and meekly, begging for protection.
A recent post on Return of Kings with the unsubtle title “4 Reasons Why Collapse Will Be The Best Thing To Happen For Men” offers an elaborate revenge fantasy for deeply insecure would-be alpha males. The improbably named “Corey Savage” makes clear from the start that his apocalyptic predictions fantasies are rooted in his desire to say “told you so” to “feminist harpies’ and “loser male feminists.”
As Savage sees it, our world is close to being overwhelmed by economic disasters, “widespread degeneracy and demographic upheavals … Collapse in the near future appears to be a matter of when, not if.”
But fear not, men — “the destruction of the world as we know it could be the best thing that ever happens” to you. With the bravado of a teenager telling his mom that “you’re not the boss of me,” Savage predicts the ultimate collapse of evil dictatorships and the so-called “nanny state.”
With the Frankenstein centralized governments no longer around to dictate people’s lives and use them as lab rats for their social experiments, you will have all the freedom in the world. No more taxes, no more surveillance, no more PC policing, no more divorce courts, no more forced multiculturalism, and so on. You alone will be responsible for your life with no one to bail you out and no one to blame.
In this libertarian world, Savage imagines,
you’ll be free to create the society you want. Still think Communist utopia is possible? Good luck. Want to start an all-white Aryan state? Be my guest. Want to create a progressive rainbow society without all the racist-sexist-homo-transphobe-Nazi-bigots? Great, get out of my sight.
Just don’t get too uppity, you man-hating ladies!
Think all men are rapists and want to live in a lesbian tribe? Have fun trying to build anything or defending yourselves (assuming you even have something worthwhile to defend.)
Ah, yes, now we come to the heart of the fantasy: women and “wimps” being put in their supposed place.
No more corporate serfdom, no more putrid consumerism, no more technological slavery, and no safe spaces for the cry-babies to hide and cry in. Wimps, complainers, and the weak will not survive.
No complainers? Weird, because almost all I ever hear from Return of Kings is complaints.
Savage sets forth a vision of a “masculine” restoration that is equal parts Fight Club and The Secret Life of Walter Mitty.
One of the best aspect of the new order would be the return of masculine virtue. [O]nly an organized group of men with strength, courage, mastery, and honor … will prevail in the post-apocalyptic world. Men will be men again.
Who knows what savage energy is begging to be unleashed within that man serving as an office drone? Who knows if that guy flipping burgers for a minimum wage will become the future tribal leader? How many men today are living jaded and unfulfilling lives when they could be fighters and warriors instead?
I don’t know, but the number is certainly a lot smaller than the number of men who think that the endless hours they’ve spent playing Fallout have prepared them for real life postapocalyptic warrioring.
And now we come to the “told you so” section of Savage’s apocalyptic fantasy — which is really the whole point of the thing.
And guess what? There won’t be feminist harpies demanding “equality” when strong men are needed to rebuild civilization and defend against gangs and rival tribes. They’ll be begging for some of that “toxic” masculinity to come and protect them. They’ll kneel in submission to a patriarchal order faster than they would have screamed “rape!” in the previous world.
Keep it in your pants, dude. You’re embarrassing yourself.
Suddenly, with their government boyfriend gone and the internet white knights nowhere to to be found, their whole feminist charade will shatter and the ridiculousness of it all will become apparent. The unstable and fat ones will likely disappear first as they offer no value to anyone.
Yep, his vision of the future is basically an elaboration of the classic misogynist rallying cry: NO FAT CHICKS.
Also in the new world, the SJWs and the rest of the progressive freaks will die faster than a gay snowman in Saudi Arabia. … There won’t be anymore idiotic debates about who is right or wrong: only who survives and who doesn’t.
Evidently Savage is so tired of having his ass handed to him in these “idiotic debates” that he’d rather have the whole world collapse in a heap rather than endure another humiliating loss.
I would love to see how well the loser male-feminists fare against the very men they love to bash without a computer screen to hide behind.
Says a guy who bashes feminists while, well, hiding behind a computer screen, telling readers on the About page of his blog that “[d]etails about myself are not as important as the content that I write here.”
The impatient Savage ends his manifesto by encouraging his readers to, well, help the collapse come a little faster.
The change you want to see is not going to appear peacefully through some online arguments, petitions, protests, or asinine ‘democratic’ processes. You cannot fix a rotting society; you must tear it all down and start from scratch.
So Savage wants men to use non-peaceful tactics to “tear … down” what he thinks is a decadent and “degenerate” society in order to humble women and bring back the patriarchal rule of men?
That sounds more than a little bit like the “Islamic terror” that the boys at Return of Kings are always railing against.
Is that a conventionally hilarious typo?
Edit: To add to the fun, I meant conviniently xD
Pro tips from the pros: If you have legit questions about your romantic and sexual orientation(s) you should try posing them in a community where you didn’t come out of the gate with a bunch of off-topic misogyny.
Edit: I know we can’t actually win, Mark, but ima pretend for a minute. What stance do you think we should hold towards the draft? Should we be for it? Agin it? Should we support a male-only draft but offer to supply every conscript with a subservient wife?
So umm, I guess I’m going to revert to what I usually do when I face guys like mark in meatspace.
Mark, do you like cookies? I’m thinking of expanding my baking to macarons and I’m always looking for interesting flavor combinations.
I mean until I got the stand mixer (I saved for months and I’m so proud to have one) I would have never considered macarons, but now I’m thinking my baking life will be incomplete without them.
I mean seriously, the stand mixer has made pasta and bread making SOOO much easier.
@WWTH
Yeah, I feel ya. It just feels so silly that romance can just consume a person. Like, I can understand being cheated on or just being used to routine but being, like, devastated because you’re not gonna be dating anymore or something? Like, you can still be friends, but apparently that’s weird for people?? I don’t get it. If you love a person so much, if you’re gonna be devested by not dating anymore, you should love them enough to still want to be in contact with each other afterwards.
People are weird.
Glad someone enjoyed them! I kind of feel that Christmas Carol is misandric though. Carol is a girl’s name. Maybe it should be an MRA Christmas Charles?
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“Nobody here hates men. In fact, and this may shock you, but this blog is actually written by a man. A real, live one!”
A confused white knight pampered by feminine wiles. He probably rakes in a pretty good living off of it. Don’t blame him in the least. This is where I get banned.
Mark, you find women sexually attractive but not romantically attractive. That makes you heterosexual aromantic. Do try to keep up.
Edit: Oh, we’re pampering David with our whiles, are we? And here I thought the MRA consensus was that he was too much of a beta to ever get any attention from women.
Zero women here have said that.
And only one man here has said that: you. You’re literally the only one who said that. So again, you’re arguing against something no one has said but you, and no one thinks but you.
You’re literally the only one here who thinks men mean nothing, which makes you a misandrist. And as someone with a proud history of men in her family, I think that makes you a horrible person. Go away, we don’t want any man-haters here.
(Maybe we should call the fire department, folks. That pile of burning strawmen he’s building is getting kinda big!)
I heard a rumour that Trump is going to build a wall around Mark, and make him pay for it.
Nah, we don’t know any real information about his sexuality/romantic attraction to determine if he’s aromantic or not, so let’s not label him. Hating people and thinking they’re beneath you kinda doesn’t foster any sort of romance for the people you hate, I don’t think.
I mean, love is base on some respect, right? That’s what I’ve learned, at least, that’s what I like.
“Edit: I know we can’t actually win, Mark, but ima pretend for a minute. What stance do you think we should hold towards the draft? Should we be for it? Agin it? Should we support a male-only draft but offer to supply every conscript with a subservient wife?”
Women should not serve on the battlefield. Why? They create the deaths of the next generation of men to die for women’s rights.
@Jack
I’m just basing it on what he’s told us. I apologize if I misunderstood him.
On one hand thank you for the service, if you have. On the other hand I find it strange how you insult the very people you are supposed to serve and protect. Not really. You’re not exactly the nightmare of anyone as far as I’m concerned.
Tens of millions died for my rights as a Vietnamese immigrant to go to the US of A. Oh look despite the fact those people died they all died for a spectrum of ideologies, more importantly to protect the homeland, as the tagline goes. So you protected the freedoms of others, to ensure to limit the freedoms of the people you protect. Nice one there insulting the ideology of the person you are trying to convince.
Oh my stars you’re just like him, he can’t even tell my satire from real life. Next thing you’ll tell me is that you believe in the hypnotizing powers of vagina goo.
Horny.
So you hate the draft, but don’t want to change or abolish it because men other than you would want to fight and die for women’s rights? In other words you don’t want people to fight for their beliefs unless you approve of them.
Not to mention you should totes ask what your orientation is in a community where you previously insisted you were asexual, even though everyone else said you were wrong and told you what the correct word should be.
Mark: It means you’re a celibate heterosexual who is disgustingly fetishizing lesbians. Like I told you earlier.
And I’m glad you think I’m a bitch. I wear that shit with pride. You’re damn right I’m a bitch. I’m a bitch who doesn’t take shit from assholes like you who hate me simply for existing, and generalize me and what I stand for because they’re too insecure with themselves to actually listen to what I have to say. And if hateful little polyps like you think I’m awful enough to hurl slurs at in the vain hope that I’d be wounded by their opinions of my character, I must be doing something right.
I don’t owe you shit for you going to war. You made that choice for yourself. I didn’t ask you to go to war for me. I fucking hate war, and if I had my way, we’d never have another one, we’d bring all of our soldiers home, and we’d give them all the help they and their families need to get back on their feet.
You went to war on the orders of old white men, who were hoping you’d die out there for them so you wouldn’t have to come home and get benefits from the government that they’d have to pay for, like good education and medical benefits for your body and mind.
Which I full-on fucking support, by the way. I’m anti-war, but pro-soldier. And yes, that does mean spiteful little shits like you too. You still deserve good mental and physical health benefits and paid-for education, even if you are an awful person who really needs to pull his head out of his colon, because you are a person, just like all the women you generalize, fetishize and hate.
You can’t have your (cissexist) cake and eat it too, Mark. Either women should serve on the battlefield for equality, or we shouldn’t because we make babies.
So, you can’t hate women for not being drafted if you think we shouldn’t even be in the military.
I wonder what the women who served with you think about that?
Equality = When women sacrifice their lives for men’s rights – not the other way around – as it has been for centuries. Until then – you’re just a man hating hypocrite feminist witch. Women would not have had rights were it not for the benevolence and life sacrifice of men.
Vote Trump. Vote for men.
That would solve the burning strawman issue!
I’m not sure if it would fix Mark’s horrible misandry, though. Why do people hate men so much? I don’t get it. Most men are perfectly nice people, yet here this jerk sincerely thinks they’re just meat puppets who mean nothing.
Nah, it’s alright. If he asked or whatever it would be fine but he’s just being an asshole troll, trying to rustle people’s jimmies but being the most obnoxious he can because he likely knows that fetishizing lesbians is something that there “SJWs” really hate and shit. I’d take everything he says with a grain of salt.
EDIT: I also wouldn’t accuse him of being asexual or not. Asexualaity is just not experiencing sexual attraction. Asexuals can still experience arousal from watching porn, asexual can still want sex, asexuals can still want to masterbate. The only thing assexuals don’t experience is a sexual attraction to people.
Am I reading this correctly? Women are just wombs for potential future men?
I’m trying to figure out what Mark’s stance is on conscription. We have this:
And also… whatever this is:
Digging through the fog I’m getting something along the lines of: women shouldn’t be allowed to serve in the military, but we should also feel really, really bad about not serving in the military.
Women have sure sacrificed their lives for men’s privilege. We haven’t sacrificed our lives for your rights because you already have rights and always have.
Actually though, men have not sacrificed their lives for women’s rights. At least not en masse. Not that I can think of. If we’re talking about combat deaths, I know of no wars that have been fought specifically for the rights of women.
As an aside, 80k yen is about $760 US. No one, however frugal, is going to survive a year on that.
Equality = Equality. Equality to you seems to mean all serve the rich old white man through your guns and boots.
Oh look, the appeal to an older era fallacy. You know the ones where they think the 1960’s nuclear family applies to different ages as well, even if you forget about how women in all periods including agrarian culture also worked as hard and in more utilitarian societies had more control and tended to have more equal and fair social networks.
Apparently that makes me a self man hating feminist thrall that I believe that women should have rights equal to men and rights to their own wombs.
Actually let’s talk about your sacrifice fetish. You didn’t seem to lose much yet you just ADORE the idea of young men dying for you. If I would let out my Atheist bigotry I’d almost assume it’d be your undying need to prove yourself worthy of Jesus Christ’s sacrifice. You know if it weren’t for the fact that Jesus was a pacifist who believed that those who lived by the sword died by the sword? Or turning the other cheek?
None of them asked for others to die, and in fact they got the voting rights themselves during the Civil Rights movement, not from tallying up the latest Guardsmen meat mountain.
Vote for Trump who keeps making mistakes, begs to big money and claims not to be for big money, can’t be bothered to call more than 3 of 20 of top GOP donators, backed off from the NRA during the Orlando incident, backed off from multiple debates with Bernie, high unfavorables, let’s those hard working soldier boys off their asses when he just needs another bankruptcy check, and to top it all off, still butthurt about small hands.
Yeah sorry but frankly I vote for people who have my interests at heart, those interests since I am Vietnamese Chinese American, are not what the slowly defunct Trump can even remember to be consistent on.
Women die during childbirth. (About 303,000 a year) Women die at the hands of abusive men. (About 4,000 a year) Women die for telling men no.
Women die for men’s “rights” all the damn time. We die at the hands of men all the damn time.
We want you to stop killing us.
You’re right. I do hate men. I hate men like you, who think that I’m some sort of pampered princess because they allow me to exist as an object for their abuse and ridicule.
I hate men who think I only exist to suck their dicks, pump out babies, and do their laundry.
I hate men who hate me for having the audacity to exist in a way they don’t personally approve of.
I hate men who think “respect” is “you do everything I tell you to do, when I tell you to do it”, instead of “please treat me with basic human kindness and dignity”, and tell me that because I don’t “respect” them by being obedient, they won’t “respect” me by treating me with basic human dignity and kindness.
I hate men who are unapologetic abusers and rapists, who make snide remarks about what women were wearing, like we were asking for them to destroy us for stepping outside of their arbitrary lines.
I hate men who stand behind other men who abuse and rape women out of some misguided “loyalty” to the men they know, rather than the women that are hurt.
I hate men who hurt young girls, and hide behind their age and supposed “wisdom” while their young victims are brushed aside as “hysterical” for daring to point a finger.
I hate men who sneer at me because I wasn’t born with a penis and testes, who don’t think I’m worthy of sitting on their throne, or any throne of my own creation.
Men say I’m still alive, so that’s “benevolence”. They tell me it could always be worse. They tell me they could snap and hurt me, or kill me if I don’t “behave” and do what they tell me. If I don’t bow down, then it’s my own fault if they decide to harm me.
And I’m supposed to believe this is “benevolence”? I’m supposed to believe that this is “kindness” and “graciousness” and that men “allow” me to live unharmed?
Fuck that.
And I am indeed a witch, like my mother before me. I am the descendant of all the witches you men could never burn. I worship the moon, I worship Mother Nature, and I bow to no man who hasn’t earned my utmost trust and respect. And I bow to no man who doesn’t understand that I simply choose to bow to him, and I can revoke that at any time.
And if that makes me evil in your eyes, then so fucking be it. I’d rather be an evil, man-hating witch, than a “good girl” who sides with hateful, spiteful, violent men over my sisters-in-arms, and the men who have enough common sense to know that women are indeed people who stand behind us.
Women died fighting for their rights.
If you want something more recent, a feminist was murdered last year, and men, just like you, blamed her death on “jokes about misandry”.
Women were abused, tortured, and mocked for fighting for their rights.
We’re still treated like we should be grateful for men “granting” us our right to be treated as their sex toys, housecleaners, and incubators, rather than people.
I will be voting for men’s benefit.
I’ll be voting for the benefit of black men, LGBT men, and yes, even men like you.
So I’m not voting for Trump. I wouldn’t vote for a racist, sexist, raping, Nazi-sympathizing lying Cheeto.
Also, I’m fucking lol’ing at Mark like “I could kill you if I wanted!”
So could a bus. So could a hippopotamus. So could heart disease. So could a very determined duck. You’re not fucking special, you’re just fucking violent.
And exceptionally delusional if you think there isn’t a woman in the world who couldn’t snap you in half.
How the hell did this get past moderation?
Last I heard, it’s looking like Trump’ll be too busy facing trial for amateur-hour embezzlement to run, so. Don’t get your hopes up.
(And I’d joked about the whole campaign being an embezzlement scam back when he first announced his candidacy… My superpowered cynicism strikes again. =P)
@SFHC
It’s past his second post. IIRC, after my first post, my later posts weren’t automatically sent to moderation either.