Misogynists love it when they can figure out a way to blame a woman for the misdeeds of a man. And no woman is a more convenient scapegoat than a bad man’s mother — after all, if she’d raised him right, he wouldn’t be out there murdering and raping and robbing and whatever other terrible things he’s doing.
Recently, misogynists have discovered that the “blame the mother” strategy is almost infinitely expandble. You don’t have to stop with the bad man’s mother. You can blame the mother’s mother as well. And the mother’s mother’s mother — all the way back to the origins of our species or even before.
According to this updated “blame the mother” theory, the world is full of bad men because women love bad boys — so much so that their preferences have changed the course of human evolution. By having sex with (and getting pregnant by) sexy brutes, these women have passed “bad boy” genes onto their children.
Putting it slightly more crudely, as one Red Pill Redditor does in the title of a recent post, “thugs exist because women f*ck thugs.”
In his post, thelandofdreams takes issue with what he sees as the widespread perception that
men are the takers, the destructors, the ones greedily absorbing all of the gendered benefits and dispensing the depression and victimization of the fairer sex. Men have always benefited selfishly from the relationship between the sexes, the popular thinking goes, raping and pillaging because that is just in their nature.
Well, ok, he admits, maybe men are a bunch of jerks. But it’s not really their fault. It’s the fault of their mothers, and their grandmothers, and their great grandmothers and so on and so on and scooby dooby doo.
“[T’hese gender theorists balk the closer they get to examining the root cause of all this,” thelandofdreams sniffs.
The simple fact of the matter is that men are aggressive, assertive, violent, and fierce because for ages untold women have been f*cking the aggressive, assertive, violent and fierce among us.
Longtime readers of this blog may recall YouTube “philosopher”/cult leader/MRA/douchebag Stefan Molyneax making a similar argument – well, assertion — several years back.
Thelandofdreams, apparently convinced he’s onto something new and original, continues:
You know that thuggish, drug dealing cousin of yours who is constantly getting arrested and treats his family like sh*t? Yeah, that guy is swimming in fucking pussy, believe it or not.
Ah, the old Argumentum ad That-Guy-um!
[T]he popular zeitgeist of the day says that he became that way because men are just arbitrarily monstrous and not because, well, his older brother acted that way and had a new hot girlfriend every month. Contrary to what you might have been told, his gangster lean, tribal tattoos, and predilection for violence are a learned behavior, and women are the ones who taught it.
Thelandofdreams steps back, for a moment, from all this women-blaming to declare that “as men, we must not blame our shortcomings on others.”
And then he resumes blaming our shortcomings on others:
We can, however, at least realize that a lot of the ways we act have a deep root– a million years of biological evolution and female mate selection pushing us towards aggressive, assertive, dominate behavior because that, we have come to know in our dark hearts, is what drives women towards us.
A MILLION YEARS of evolution have made us dudes the jerks we are today. While beta provider cavemen were out hunting the mammoth, their cave wives were cave-cucking them behind their backs with the jerkboys from one cave over.
What are we, if not creatures made to reproduce? A monkey who is aggressive gathers more resources, and in doing so accrues more females.
You know what they say, women love men with lots of bananas!
Much of the history of warfare and bloodshed has this same subconscious motivation at its core.
The point is that no, women are not blameless when we count the piles of male corpses on which the modern world is built. They had a hand in it to.
They had “a hand in it to” … what?
Bad news, Red Pill dudes who love to fill the internet with ungrammatical, woman-blaming screeds: Most women looking for love online these days will reject a man outright if he can’t master basic grammar and spelling, at least according to a recent survey of 9000 singles by Match.com.
The only bad boys they go for, in other words, are the ones who know the difference between “to” and “too.”
So… is violence learned behaviour, or is it selected for by evolution?
Also your and you’re.
And there, their, and they’re.
TIL toxic masculinity is apparently genetic?
No one misanders quite like a manospherian.
See? Illegible bachelors.
I don’t think they understand how genes and determinism work. Maybe because that gets covered in social sciences, and that’s not STEM enough.
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I wanted to make a meme using my new favorite meme generator, but it’s too early and I can’t think of anything, so have at it, commentariat.
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Futrelle has documented this kind of argument many times before. Not only is human behavior controlled by evolution, but evolution is controlled specifically by female behavior! Thus not only are women’s choices to blame, but clearly it is too late to change! How convenient for them. If you press them for an explanation as to why women are attracted to “jerks” it’s obvious they conflate being a jerk with having greater power, and they conflate a woman submitting to domination with a woman feeling attraction to domineering behavior.
“A monkey who is more aggressive gathers more resources.” Aggressive can have multiple meanings. Is this monkey more violent, or more motivated, or focused, towards what exactly? If he gathers resources “aggressively” he’ll gather more, but if he is busy fighting the other men he will gather less. It is true that some person who “gathers more resources” and meeting other practical needs are often forgiven by their peers, even if they are an egomaniac. However being an alpha-male egomaniac doesn’t mean that you are automatically better at practical things. They always conflate being generally more “aggressive” with being better at everything masculine and practical.
So men are thugs…because their mothers had bred with thugs…who’s mothers had bred with thugs, who’s mothers had presumably bred with thugs, over the course of a million years…taken to its logical extreme, where did the original y-chromosomal Asshole Adam come from?
@Ray of Rays
Go back far enough and all humans were brown/black. According to Manosphere Rule #4, that means they were all thugs at that time, and thus women had no choice.
I am using dating sites and I outright reject people who can’t use basic grammar. I’m not perfect, I myself have made the occasional homophonic error, so I don’t reject for a single error or a slip of a to/too.
Using this tactic is also an excellent defense against romance scammers who struggle with UK and US English.
Men and women aren’t separate species. If thug genes were adaptive and passed down by alpha asshole fathers, the gene would be passed to daughters too. This theory does not explain male violence and entitlement well. Not that I needed to explain to anyone here!
It’s also funny to me when they complain about drug dealing thugs swimming in pussy. Maybe men of low socioeconomic status who are in and out of jail do get laid. But their partners are likely to be women of similar SES. Not the conventionally attractive popular cheerleader type red pill dudes tend to obsess about. So, what do they care?
The problem with this evopsych stuff is that it’s quite broad. Sure, it makes sense from the surface that more competitive/aggressive = gathers more resources and so on but then why don’t short tempered types get more success?
This is the sort of stuff that it would really help if someone with expertise could walk me through the evopsych stuff and how to filter the bunk out
@WWTH
Yes! Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. Given that these dudes are so into evolution as the route cause of any and all behaviour, you would think they would grasp the basics of the thing. But no.
I want to know how men can be excused for their supposedly violent natures, since it’s bred into them by evil females, but women need to take full responsibility for choosing who to mate with. If we can say “men being jerks = successful mating strategy, therefore jerks exist” we could just as well say “women having sex with jerks = successful mating strategy, therefore women attracted to jerks exist.” Both of those statements make the same amount of sense! (In that neither of them make any sense, but stick with me). Why is he holding only women accountable for their actions under the all-powerful influence of evo psych, and not men?
Just kidding, I know why. It’s because he hates women.
The title of this post made me think of time travel, paradoxes and incest. Whatever scenario i could come up with would still be more realistic than whatever bullshit these guys are spewing.
Since this is a somewhat sillier thread than some of the other recent ones, I’m gonna post some family drama here. I feel like I need to put this out there, because it’s stressing me out. TW for domestic drama and (light, non-graphic) physical violence.
I’ve mentioned my wife’s family once or twice before. I’m not gonna go through all the ins and outs of the drama in this family again, but something apparently happened last night that might be quite serious.
My father-in-law is a hardline conservative and Trump fan who is very egocentric, childish, rude, etc. He has a history of yelling at his wife for things like not having dinner ready on time, renting a kind of car he doesn’t like, their mutual children behaving badly (because she raised them, so everything they do is her fault), as well as things that are out of her control, such as a restaurant screwing up his order. (A lot of this is food-related.) He has a tendency to ask God what he’s done to deserve my mother-in-law.
Last night he was having a shouting tantrum over food again (wrong kind of taco shells), and it escalated to a full blown screaming match between the parents and the older son (28-ish). When this had gone on for a while, the younger son (24-ish) kind of snapped. He’s a shut-in who has barely been outdoors since being taken out of high school for homeschooling. He’s very dependent on his mom to be accessible at all times in case he needs something. He requires constant updates on whether any non-family members are in or near the house, and needs food and drinks delivered to the door of his room.
Anyway, so the younger son picked up a 5lb dumbbell and threw it with full force at his father’s stomach. There was some initial shock, but probably no physical damage other than bruising. The dad threatened to call the police, and accusing the son of trying to kill him. The son said he was fed up with his dad’s abuse, as he sees it, and felt the need to protect his mother. I might add that this 24 year old is a very tall and big guy.
Since the shut-in son won’t move out of the house anytime soon, my father-in-law mentioned he might find an apartment where he can stay for a while, saying he no longer feels safe at home.
We’re going there to visit for a full month this summer, and this time I’m actually a little bit worried about staying there. I sincerely hope they don’t have any guns in the house. I don’t think they do, but they’re a conservative family in the US, so who knows. :/
@Imaginary Petal
I hope things improve for you and yours. If you (and/or your wife) feel unsafe, maybe you should reconsider visiting?
Man, these guys will come up with any excuse to not take responsibility for their shitty behavior. And those excuses always loop around to “Women did it.”
They work backwards from that, and then twist the logic to fit around that. It’s bad science.
But of course, I’m just a feeemale, so what the fuck do I know about science? [/sarcasm]
Even if this WERE true, the OP acknowledges that men rape, which by definition means that the women aren’t choosing to have sex with them. Even their fictional universes don’t have internally consistent logic.
At some point there was Thug Zero, ancestor of all Thugs.
Who was himself the child of a mother who had sex with a time-travelling Thug descendant from the future.
And thus the Thugs were born.
Is this a plot for a really bad SciFi?
@Petal
That sounds awful. Is it possible for you and your wife to rent a hotel room instead of staying in the home?
What another contrived way to say “women won’t have sex with me so I’ll demonize any time they are in a relationship.”
Though by their logic wouldn’t the evolutionary survival of the fittest show that they are in fact the inferior breed, and therefore are unfit to pass on their genes to the superior race, by sheer virtue of women preferring “thugs” to them?
Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiii”It’s all women’s fault because I hate them, for not sleeping with me. Oh, and thugs are their fault too, but I hate thugs less than I hate women who f*^% thugs but won’t f*%# me.”nnnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeee.
I’m kind of new to this stuff, but can someone parse out for me why these jerks assume that “agressive, assertive, dominate(sic) behavior , no matter which gender it applies to, is synomous with being a violent jerk? There’s a step in logic missing there.
Also, if we’re taking this stuff seriously, wouldn’t the caveman who laid back and let his more bullyish brothers take all the risks in hunting and battle be much more likely to pass his genes along to the next generations due to, you know, being alive?
My favorite part of that post over on the thread came from VasiliyZaitzev, self-professed pussy breast-paddler:
I can put even odds on her thinking “I’m never having lunch with this asshole again.”
Wait wait wait, I thought men were the pinnacle of evolution and that’s why they are the ones who build buildings and do science and shit? Now you are saying that they are all inherently aggressive thugs because of evolution?
I’m going to need some pseudo-science charts and bar graphs to keep up with all this.