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Heartiste: The Orlando massacre may be the first step in a “needed cleansing”

Is Heartiste channelling Charles Manson in his response to the Orlando shootings?
Is Heartiste channeling Charles Manson in his response to the Orlando shootings?

You probably haven’t been wondering what profound conclusions the racist pickup artist who calls himself Heartiste has drawn from the horrific tragedy in Orlando. But I’m going to tell you anyway.

The first? That Omar Mateen was a pretty cool dude.

Don’t get me wrong. Heartiste is a Trump-worshipping bigot who wants not only the “jihadis” but their families “targeted for kebab removal,” as he’s charmingly put it.

But he also thinks that Mateen is ALPHA AF. As he wrote in a post today:

Chicks dig jerks, especially cute chicks in the prime of their fertility who could have non-jerks if they desired them.

And Mateen scored at least two such “‘chicks.”

The allure of the alpha male — note I did not say admirable man — over women is unmissable. … History is replete with female accomplices of alpha male killers whose charms could not be resisted.

Well, not quite as replete as all that. A look through Wikipedia’s vast list of the world’s serial killers suggests that it is far more common for male murderers to have male accomplices.

Lest it go under-reported, Omar’s first wife is a true hottie, and he has kids from multiple women.

Lest Heartiste forget it, Omar Mateen’s first wife reportedly fled from him only a few months into their brief marriage, apparently in such a hurry that she left virtually all of her belongings behind. She settled secretly in a city 1500 miles away from her husband so he wouldn’t be able to find her.

ALPHA. And if you don’t like it, don’t blame the messenger. Blame the massengil.

Even by the standards of bad puns, that last bit makes no sense whatsoever; it’s only funny if you think that all references to vaginas and their supposed perpetual stinkiness are inherently hilarious, because girls are icky amirite fellas high five! For a guy who professes to be some kind of smooth Lothario, Heartiste seems to get squicked out by vaginas awfully easily. (Also, it’s spelled MassengiLL. You’d think someone who is himself a massive douchebag would know that.)

Heartiste’s swooning over Mateen’s alleged alphatude is more than a little creepy. But not as creepy as the conclusion he drew in another post he put up today — that the Orlando massacre might be the first step in a “needed cleansing” of our decadent culture. 

Men from aggressive, foreign tribes, full of passion and conviction, have begun targeting the culture and lifestyle centers of their post-tribal enemy … They have identified the softest underbelly and are eviscerating it with a vengeance. This means liberals — r-selected rabbits — will bear the brunt of violent Diversity. We are careening into the rabbit holocaust, when everything liberals believe and hold dear will be under mortal threat, and they will die or scatter to the protection of their warrens.

This may be a needed cleansing.

Yep, he really did write that.

After all, it’s rabbit ideology that got us to where we are: besieged by malcontents and barbarians, and making high-minded rationalizations for welcoming ever more of them to lay waste to the rabbit-optimized Elysium fields of grass that is always fresh and green.

This “cleansing,” in Heartiste’s view, could be brutal indeed.

Millions more Americans … could die at the hands of Diversity and the Effete Elite would not surrender their open borders globalist race-mongrelizing agenda.

But there’s a happy ending, of sorts, to Heartiste’s fractured fairy tale — one in which the cavalry, in the form of  right-wing authoritarians, rides to the rescue of the remaining Americans.

The solution will be, as always, a forceful taking of power by the K-selected wolves, to save the rabbits from themselves.

And of course Heartiste sees himself as one of the wolves.

I can’t help but notice that Heartiste’s apocalyptic fantasies are strikingly reminiscent of the similarly apocalyptic, similarly delusional fantasies of a fellow by the name of Charles Manson.

I don’t make this comparison lightly. But consider this:

Manson orchestrated the grotesquely brutal  Tate/LaBianca murders in hopes of triggering a race war — which Manson and his gang would ride out in a secret hideout in the desert. This was all part of what he famously called “Helter Skelter,” after the Beatles song.

Manson assumed that blacks would win this race war, but would be unable to run what remained of the country. Manson and his pals would then step up and take control themselves — thus transforming Charles Manson, the head of a rag-tag group of hippies who fed themselves out of garbage dumpsters, into the supreme ruler he’d always wanted to be.

Replace Manson’s references to “piggies” with Heartiste’s references to “rabbits” and “wolves,” and the fantasies follow a similarly addled logic. In Manson’s fever dream, the blacks — whom he hated — would carry out the “needed cleansing” of a decadent white civilization; in Heartiste’s fantasies. the hated Muslims will play a similar role.

Like Heartiste, many of those screaming the loudest about the allegedly evil Muslims hiding in our midst don’t really want the carnage to stop. In the short run, it means more converts to their hateful ideologies; in the long run, they dream of their own versions of Helter Skelter. That’s one of the reasons why this election is such a critical one — why Trump and Trumpism need to be soundly defeated.

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Stivee
Stivee
4 years ago

Yeah, Mateen was a closeted, self-hating gay. Sounds like an MRA to me. Good eye, Heartiste.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
4 years ago

When you think the bottom of the barrel has been well and truly scraped, something like this goes through the floor into a whole new sub-basement. I’m not very imaginative in some ways – it’s hard to get my head round the fact that there’s somebody sitting in the midst of plenty, never warped by suffering themselves, never even part of an out-group, but still so vile that they genuinely welcome an atrocity.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo
weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo
4 years ago

Which famous serial killers were super alpha and attracted lots of women? There are exceptions, but it’s much more common for them to be loners who have trouble forming relationships. Ted Bundy was handsome and well educated but he never got over being rejected by an ex girlfriend and killed women who resembled her. The most common type of victim of a serial killer are sex workers and homeless/runaway women. Types of victims that are vulnerable and low risk.

Charles Manson is more of a cult leader than a serial killer and Spahn Ranch was home to quite a few men. He even famously managed to charm the Beach Boys. Anyone who knows even the most basic facts of the Manson case is familiar with Tex Watson who was part of both the Tate and LaBianca murders. It’s always struck me as disingenuous when Manson is brought up as proof of women being inferior due to being charmed by him.

I think Heartiste doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

This was all part of what he famously called “Helter Skelter,” after the Beatles song.

It’s a minor point in the grand scheme of things but, like our MRA friends, Manson wasn’t too hot on spelling. He nearly always wrote it as “Healter Skelter”

Also, what’s this guys problem with rabbits? Wolves are probably my favourite animal, but that doesn’t preclude me liking bunnies.

darkstatistic
darkstatistic
4 years ago

You’d think someone who is himself a massive douchebag would know that.

Thank you for making me smile.

Ichthyic
Ichthyic
4 years ago

This means liberals — r-selected rabbits — will bear the brunt of violent Diversity. We are careening into the rabbit holocaust

-Donald Duck

Ichthyic
Ichthyic
4 years ago

After all, it’s rabbit ideology that got us to where we are

uh… nope. It was neoliberalism.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot

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4 years ago

Stivee | June 14, 2016 at 6:01 pm
Yeah, Mateen was a closeted, self-hating gay. Sounds like an MRA to me. Good eye, Heartiste.

Can we not? I fucking hate this stereotype of the self-hating gay man.

He can be a homophobe and not actually be gay. Let’s not pretend that straight people don’t hate people like me by speculating on his sexuality. It doesn’t fucking matter.

So many of my LGBT+ peeps are dead because of this dude. Not because of his sexuality, but because of his hatred.

That’s what’s important. That is what needs to be focused on. Not silly speculation to try to other the killer so straight people can feel like it’s not one of their own that caused this tragedy.

Can we not?

Steampunked
Steampunked
4 years ago

Why do people who have no idea how wolves operate always use them as a metaphor for awesome leadership and violence.

Good God, if you’re talking about inter-species aggression, the rabbits come out on top. Rabbits keep an exceptionally keen eye on who rates where in the system and use fairly savage fighting to maintain position. They survive everywhere. It may look hilarious to outsiders due to their fluffiness, but they’re quite capable of killing one another.

Wolves are family-group oriented creatures that will threaten rather than fight by preference, and that in winter primarily have a diet of mice. They are endangered in most places.

I like them both, but seriously people. We’re going to lose wolves way before we lose rabbits.

Carolyn
Carolyn
4 years ago

That r- vs. K-strategy argument isn’t even compatible with these same idiots’ arguments about white genocide! You can’t complain about middle eastern people out-reproducing white people while also saying that white people have adopted an r-strategy, or a high reproduction based strategy.

Well, you can, but it would make you even more wrong than usual.

Kylo Ronin
Kylo Ronin
4 years ago

So, basically I’m going to repeat what I said before. The only thing that needs cleansing is Heartiste’s head because it is so far up his ass.

Moocow
4 years ago

Chicks dig jerks guys who are not me, especially cute chicks in the prime of their fertility who could have non-jerks me, if they desired them.

FIFY

aw, heartist, I’m so sorry* to hear that women would rather date other men who are not you.

*not

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David Futrelle | June 14, 2016 at 6:58 pm

Fine, I’ll admit that in this case there’s a good reason to mention it and speculate a little. Thanks for providing the extra information I was obviously missing.

(And thank you for backing me up on the “MRAs are closet homosexuals!” thing, David.)

But, I still feel like we shouldn’t let it detract from the facts that we do know: This was a terror attack on the LGBT+ community. All we have is speculation at this point, and there’s enough to create a good claim, but that’s all it is, and most likely all it ever will be considering the man himself isn’t alive anymore to confirm it.

ColeYote
ColeYote
4 years ago

In other news, #LGBTQHatesTrumpParty is the #1 hashtag on Twitter right now.

Steampunked
Steampunked
4 years ago

So today, I read the comments (yeah, I know) of an article on the link between toxic masculinity and mass shootings, and saw that apparently they’re the fault of women for anti-male hatred.

Specifically, they’re the male reaction to feminist discourse on toxic masculinity, and if women stopped talking about it, then the killings would stop.

Part of me feels that must just be shitposting by this point.

grr! arrgh!
grr! arrgh!
4 years ago

The white supremacists always seem to be rattling on about the race war and “swarthy invaders” of some description or another in a way that suggests that they are deeply, deeply concerned that they will not win said race war. How can you claim to be the superior race while simultaneously implying that inferiors “others” will def kick your ass when the revolution comes? If white folks are so great and everyone else is so deficient, then winning this race war should be a snap. Isn’t losing to an inferior opponent beta AF in the Heartiste parlance? And if the white race is beta AF, doesn’t it deserve to be overtaken by whatever amount of melanin confers the most Alpha superpowers?

Bina
4 years ago

Did someone say BUNNIES?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg

I’m sorry, but this was mandatory. They are VICIOUS.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo
weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo
4 years ago

My contribution to the evil bunnies videos

https://youtu.be/YLMaSII_URU

skybison
skybison
4 years ago

Personally I don’t see any proof he was gay, shooters usually plan their actions long in advance so he might have just been there to case the joint.

Honestly I don’t think it matters much. Psychologists already have a good idea what motivates mass shooters: they are narcissists with a massive sense of entitlement and turn every little thing into attack on themselves until they see the entire world as being out to get them. Sometimes this comes in the form of an extremist ideology that gives broader more specific aspects to this, other times it’s apolitical. Then they start planning a spectacular act of revenge against the world that will get them the attention and power they think they deserve. That was almost certainly what motivated this guy. Whether or not he was gay is just trivia.

Being a self hating gay doesn’t strike me (strictly as a layman) as likely being a major factor. The popular notion that these people are self hating and lack self esteem simply isn’t true. Their problem is that they have too much self esteem, not that they don’t have enough.

As for Heartiste, uhg I’ve got nothing to say. He is just the worst kind of person. Fuck him and everything he stands for. That last paragraph is right on the money though, every freakout over terrorism is more votes for Trump and every aweful think his ilk do is more recruits for Daesh . The cycle needs to break.

Mels
Mels
4 years ago

But, I still feel like we shouldn’t let it detract from the facts that we do know: This was a terror attack on the LGBT+ community. All we have is speculation at this point, and there’s enough to create a good claim, but that’s all it is, and most likely all it ever will be considering the man himself isn’t alive anymore to confirm it.

Also important is the fact that internalized homophobia doesn’t come from within; it comes from bigotry from straight people. People who emphasize that he might have been a self-hating gay man are missing the point. It wouldn’t matter if his hatred was directed inward as well as outward; the source is still a society that treats us as less than human.

KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
4 years ago

I don’t know how many of you read Fred Clark’s Slacktivist blog, but he’s doing an excellent take-down of the Left Behind books. The reason I bring him up is this post, in which he suggests that American Christians, who generally live rather peaceful and mundane lives where they’re not persecuted, fantasize about martyrs and how exciting it seems to be one:

… The lives of those martyrs seemed so much more exciting and meaningful than our own did. Plus there was something weirdly appealing about a one-time, one-question, pass-fail test in place of the tedious day-after-day. In our imaginations, at least, the martyr’s egress sounded almost easier than the pilgrim’s progress (as somebody once said, the hardest thing in this world is to live in it.) …

Further into the post, he refers to Chris Hedges and his book War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning, which has the same basic themes. To greatly abridge, peace is boring and tedious, war is exciting, and for people who can’t find meaning in peaceful, mundane life, war (Hedges calls it “the rush of battle”) might give it to them.

I can’t keyboard-diagnose, but this sounds a lot like Heartiste, MRAs, and MGTOW: they’re frustrated with boring, tedious, civilized “feminist” society, so they fantasize about war and apocalypse, about destroying society and slaughtering their enemies in ways that society would never allow.

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

Good point. Straight hatred drives so many lgbtq people to take their own lives. That hate does not come from within those people. This so-called “self hate” is carefully terrorized into lgbtq individuals by straight people maintaining their privilledge.

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Mels | June 14, 2016 at 9:32 pm
Also important is the fact that internalized homophobia doesn’t come from within; it comes from bigotry from straight people. People who emphasize that he might have been a self-hating gay man are missing the point. It wouldn’t matter if his hatred was directed inward as well as outward; the source is still a society that treats us as less than human.

This, this, this.

People keep bringing up ISIS, and it’s like “No, he learned his hatred here. He was born in the US.”

tim gueguen
4 years ago

Mateen’s parents are Afghanis, but Mateen himself was born and raised in the US. So he’s not the product of an “aggressive, foreign tribe” but the good old USA. However much Afghan Muslim culture might have influenced him he was also influenced just as much, or even more so, by US culture, which I assume this Heartiste loser hates in its current form.

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

Kindasortaharmless,
Yet, they don’t enlist or join high risk professions or take up base jumping to get their kicks. They just fantasize and whine online. Heartise is such a ghoul.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@David
In addition to PI’s points, I think in the case of this comment the poster is implying there’s something wrong with being a closeted, self-hating, gay person. It’s being used as an insult here. While it’s sad when people hate themselves, I don’t think we’d accept someone using any other reason for self-hate as an insult, so why give this a pass?

Stivee
June 14, 2016 at 6:01 pm
Yeah, Mateen was a closeted, self-hating gay. Sounds like an MRA to me. Good eye, Heartiste.
opp

I don’t think I’m reading too much into it.

Bina
4 years ago

People keep bringing up ISIS, and it’s like “No, he learned his hatred here. He was born in the US.”

Yup. And who piles the largest helpings of scorn on queer folks in the US? Who else but fundie Christians, who elect the right-wing politicians who declare the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc….and who let gun manufacturers rule the roost at home, so that even people who shouldn’t get guns, can do so with ease.

Let’s face it, this one was home-grown…and if he was a self-hating queer Muslim, it was because he got a double dose of hatred from the “God, guns and gays” atmosphere created by the fundies. Triple if you count his scary old man, who is just as awful in his own way.

KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
4 years ago

@Lea

That would require, you know, actual effort.

I’m lucky enough to own a bicycle and live near some hills that don’t get a lot of traffic. I’m also apparently very easily amused.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

Did someone say…bunnies?

Mels
Mels
4 years ago

Mateen’s pledge of allegiance to ISIS seemed like an afterthought to be honest. Like he would have done what he did regardless. Amanda Marcotte did a good write-up of how toxic masculinity fueled his actions no matter what else we ultimately blame them on. (Apologies if this has already been linked.)

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/13/overcompensation_nation_its_time_to_admit_that_toxic_masculinity_drives_gun_violence/

Side note: it’s a bit heartening to see a bunch of serious discussions about toxic masculinity coming up in recent news links on Google.

tim gueguen
4 years ago

TMZ is reporting that a former grade school classmate said that Mateen threatened to shoot up his grade school in grade five, and was suspended as a result.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/orlando-gunman-threatened-to-bring-a-gun-to-school-and-kill-everyone-former-classmate/

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

Heartiste is salivating at the idea of ethnic cleansing, that is, genocide.

He’ll participate by cranking out propaganda. When all the battles are over and the White Man is once again on top, Heartiste will assume his rightful place on the throne.

He’ll rule the world, have all the hot women he desires, and nothing will ever, ever go wrong.

Did I mention that he’ll be immortal?

dslucia
dslucia
4 years ago

On top of not being entirely relevant to the bigger picture, the fact that he may have been gay doesn’t preclude him also being an MRA. If there’s one thing that MRAs have gotten partially right in the past (before it got warped by their MRAGICK, of course), it’s the idea that underprivileged people can support things that run directly counter to what’s actually best for them (or at least, whatever underprivileged class they belong to).

Ray of Rays
Ray of Rays
4 years ago

@mels

Mateen’s pledge of allegiance to ISIS seemed like an afterthought to be honest. Like he would have done what he did regardless.

Same thing happened in San Bernadino, iirc. The shooters pledged to ISIS right before their attack, hands were wrung about a foreign-planned terror attack…then it turned out the man had been planning something like the attack since at least 2010, longer than ISIS has even existed.

Like Al Qaeda before them, they’re basically gangsters trying to pump up their own internal street cred, and homegrown terrorists try to legitimize themselves by throwing up a gang sign before they perform their crimes for their own reasons.

There’s certainly propaganda they and other terror groups have used to radicalize people…but when the killings are just piggybacking off of decades (at least) of internal rhetoric? Calling the cops before he got killed had just as much meaning as throwing up a sign.

Axecalibur
Axecalibur
4 years ago
OoglyBoggles
OoglyBoggles
4 years ago

http://www.imgbase.info/images/safe-wallpapers/anime/1_other_anime/4486_anime_bunny_girl.jpg

http://www.imgbase.info/images/safe-wallpapers/anime/1_other_anime/4487_anime_bunny_girl.jpg

http://www.imgbase.info/images/safe-wallpapers/anime/anime_girls/30647_anime_girls_bunny_girl.jpg

Worth, what’s wrong MRA’s? Offended by the idea that people other than you like the animes and dah bunny girls? Oh and I support women’s rights, lgbt rights, starting to get over my prejudice over polyamory, union supporting anti gun and I’m okay with anyone taking the lead. And on top of that, I actually am glad that Japan is now working earnestly towards a better corporate culture and the youth working for a country where their rights are recognized.

pi male
pi male
4 years ago

I’m much more comfortable being a lurker than a commentor here but Heartiste’s bullshit is forcing me to break my silence.

First; Heartiste, dude, READ A FUCKING BIOLOGY TEXTBOOK, ASSHOLE! Those terms do not apply to sociological situations and they certainly don’t apply to different members of the same fucking species.

Second; as horrible as this attack was, and it was truly horrifying, don’t pretend that homophobic violence is some kind of new phenomenon. For centuries people have been torturing and killing gay people often with the full sanction of the government and\or dominant religion. Y’know what? The gay folks are still here and they are strong. Society is progressing and we will not let it turn back.

Third and last; Dude, the idea that you and your ilk are the future saviors of civilization is a fucking joke. If I’m looking for someone to save the world, I’ll go with the people who have actually faced persecution and survived. You’re just some douche that whines about how his dick doesn’t get enough respect. You are weak. You are shallow. You are pathetic.

OoglyBoggles
OoglyBoggles
4 years ago

@pi male
The funniest depiction of their white male privilege is that like in their trash tier media, the lgbt community will run arms spread towards their “alphas” as the rightful saviors of minorities, since they are too weak to handle themselves and there is no one else they can turn to for aid. Even more so considering that they have done nothing but deride and gnash their teeth over the majority of society, our corporate overlords included have gone against their whims and decided that they all deserve legal protections and respect.

pi male
pi male
4 years ago

Fair’s fair. Upon rereading this crap I do have to give some kudos. When Heartiste wrote, “rabbit-optimized Elysium fields of grass that is always fresh and green” that made me picture a bunch of long-eared, bewhiskered agronomists standing in a field trying to find a way to produce greener grass. And that image makes me giggle a lot.

pi male
pi male
4 years ago

@OoglyBoggles
And that’s something that puzzles me. They seem to want the adoration of people they despise. I don’t get that. The most I’ve ever wanted from people I dislike is zero contact.

OoglyBoggles
OoglyBoggles
4 years ago

@pi male
They want to be liked by everyone. They want the domination, in this case, have the ones in danger run to them as the ultimate act of submission, and exclaiming their praises and repenting for not groveling at their feet.

Just like their self insert animes with a twisted version of shonen.

Then there’s the ones who simply want to use this event to stomp on other people, but I’d rather not talk about such manipulative self serving egotists bent on satiating their hate than do anything the cowards.

abars01
abars01
4 years ago

This is another one of those things that I absolutely hate about western conservatism these days. On top of the anger, on top of the hatred, on top of the narcissism, on top of the paranoia, there’s also the relentless bloodlust. You can tell by the tone of the articles and comments on their websites (Breitbart, Return of Kings, World Net Daily, etc.) that the authors and commentators would sacrifice their left testicles if it meant they were able to go out and shoot blacks, Latinos, Muslims, college students, transwomen, public servants and so on. The only thing that’s holding them back at present is the force of law. An Islamic takeover of the west is exactly what they’re hoping for, because such would give them an excuse to form militias, break out the AK-47s and play Call of Duty in real-life.

I could cite a thousand examples like the following: but just a few days ago, I was on this Facebook page titled ‘Traditionalist Western Art’, dedicated to ranting about teh evulz of modern art, etc., and there was this photograph of some hipster type with his hair in a bun. The commentators knew literally nothing about him other than his appearance, yet on top of all the usual name-calling (“cuck”, “beta male”, “libtard”, etc.), and on top of all the usual ranting about the decline of western civilization and the pussification of white men, there were also all these rather frightening comments about inflicting harm on him. Comments about how they’d like to shoot him, torture him, castrate him, push him off a cliff, feed him to the wolves. And all because they considered his hairstyle “unmanly”. These people disgust me!

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
4 years ago

I grew up with so much gay hatred around me – it was totally ‘normal’. It was both casual and intense. It was partly fuelled by ignorance, but largely driven by fundamentalist attitudes. Christian, to be sure, but fundamentalist nonetheless. Let’s not kid ourselves that Islam does not have a problem with the wider spectrum of human sexuality or that D’aesh (and similar) online hate propaganda isn’t a pernicious influence. If Mateen indeed was a self-hating gay man that made him more vulnerable to the influences of gay-hate that is endemic in both his culture of origin and in his adopted culture. I’ve known gay men of both Muslim and Christian backgrounds whose lives (to me) seemed diminished by the conflict between their personal identity and their cultural/spiritual identity – to greater or lesser degrees.

It saddens me that a big part of America is reacting to radical Islam by embracing radical Christianity, which – to me – looks very similar in belief and practice – once you strip away local cultural artefacts. People haven’t coined the term Y’all Qaeda for nothing. (And I’m from the South and grew up in an evangelist, literalist family – I’m speaking from direct experience of that culture).

People are complex. And the causes of tragedies like these are complex, too. We’ll never know the ‘reason’ this happened, I doubt Mateen clearly knew himself.

The one thing I’m clear on is that easy access to semi-automatic weapons that can easily be converted to automatic weapons is the most solvable part of this problem if only we had the political will.

Part of me hopes that a silver lining to this tragedy would be if the gay activists took on gun control as a (partly) LGBT issue. They’ve done so much positive good over the past couple of decades and have achieved more than I ever thought would be possible (gay marriage). But maybe this is beyond their power. I despair.

David – I’m not really hooked into gay politics in America – are you getting a sense that people might want to take this on? I’ve seen a little bit from FB friends here in the UK, but not sure how that’s being handled in America.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@abars01

[T]he authors and commentators would sacrifice their left testicles if it meant they were able to go out and shoot blacks, Latinos, Muslims, college students, transwomen, public servants and so on. The only thing that’s holding them back at present is the force of law.

Maybe.

But I’ve never known them to sacrifice anything.

I think they’re big bullshitters trying to make themselves look important, Wizard of Oz style.

And some of them — Heartiste, for example — seem to want to rile others up so much that these others go out and do something awful. Heartiste hopes to sit back and observe. He also hopes that the FBI will find his denial plausible.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ kat

And some of them — Heartiste, for example — seem to want to rile others up so much that these others go out and do something awful.

There’s an obvious parallel with the way the MRA movement radicalises and seeks to ‘inspire’ people to do their dirty work and online terrorism* This isn’t some sort of MRA = ISIS ‘Godwin’. Whether by accident or design their methodologies are similar. They both reach out to the malcontents. They build on existing alienation or grievances (real or perceived) or hatreds and amplify them. They groom people by providing a ‘sympathetic’ ear and then manipulate them.

We know the pattern: “Hey, feeling at a loss? Let us explain why it’s all the fault of (targeted group) and how you’d be justified in doing (X)”

I’ve said before that I think it’s only a matter of time before there’s an MRA inspired atrocity. It’s good that we mock these people, mockery can be a great strategy, but we mustn’t let that blind us to how dangerous these people are.

(* I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the online English language Al-Qaida magazine is called ‘Inspire’)

OoglyBoggles
OoglyBoggles
4 years ago

They’re the kind of mob that won’t throw the first stone, but will happilly throw the consecutive stones and whatever they have on hand.

@Alan
Unless somehow we uproot the NRA and the politicians they keep in power we’ll never see any discussions after they inevitably display the increasing violence and hatred they harbor for anyone not them.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

This man is revolting, but I in particular can’t stand his entire lack of understanding of biology.

Rabbits have evolved to be perfectly proficient at resisting wolves. They outbreed their losses and aren’t that easy to catch. Look at what happened in Australia to see a real carnage of unadapted animals.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Alan
Yes.

I’ve seen Triumph of the Will, the Leni Riefenstahl film about Hitler.

The man was a self-important gasbag who surrounded himself with hokey, tacky symbolism. And of course he was one of the most dangerous leaders of the twentieth century and possibly any century.

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