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Open Thread: Mass shooting at gay nightclub in Orlando; at least 50 dead

Police, sherriff and FBI officials at a press conference this morning
Law enforcement officials at a press conference this morning

UPDATE 2, 1 PM central time

Horrific news out of Orlando: A gunman armed with an assault rifle and other weapons killed at least 50 in a terrorist attack the Pulse nightclub in Orlando; more than 50  have been taken to hospitals.

The gunman, killed in a shootout with police, has been identified as Omar Mateen; the Daily Beast reports that he was previously investigated by the FBI. NBC is reporting that before the shootngs he called 911 and swore allegiance to ISIS.

NBC is also reporting that Mateen was a violent homophobe, according to his father. It seems clear that the club was deliberately targeted because it catered to the LGBT community. The father told NBC that the shootng was likely motivated by his son’s hatred of gays. “This had nothing to do with religion,” he told them.

His ex-wife told the Washington Post that he was an unstable and abusive man. “He beat me,” she saud. “He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that.”

Horrendous.

Meanwhile, 4chan trolls are busily spreading disinformation about the shooting.

Please post your thoughts, and any relevant information you run across.

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Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

Gawker is now reporting that Mateen was a regular at Pulse and had a gay dating app profile. o_O

http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316

JSun
JSun
4 years ago

Gawker is now reporting that Mateen was a regular at Pulse and had a gay dating app profile. o_O

http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316

I’ve found a second source backing this up.
I’m just hoping I’m delusional and this a dream because I don’t want to think about it.

Axecalibur
Axecalibur
4 years ago

Gawker is now reporting that Mateen was a regular at Pulse

So he was gay…
Or he was stalking them first…
Or both
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JSun
JSun
4 years ago

So he was gay…
Or he was stalking them first…
Or both

Gawker says that he was a club regular for 3 years and his father said the event he believes set Omar off was only a few months ago.
So… If it is real? He shot up an entire club because he was lonely and couldn’t find a date?

You know what I give up. That’s enough internet for today.
Good night everyone.

authorialAlchemy
authorialAlchemy
4 years ago

*puts on conspiracy hat*

Maybe the media is just that desperate to spin this as an ISIS affiliated attack?

Bryce
Bryce
4 years ago

So… If it is real? He shot up an entire club because he was lonely and couldn’t find a date?

It seems a lot more likely that this was an extreme, cowardly reaction to his own repressed/unacknowledged sexuality (as pointed out in one of the comments in the gawker post).

chagrin
chagrin
4 years ago

Many poisons have tainted me. The poison of rage returns. My grief and despair are joined by my rage and indignation. I scream as I drive home.
The poison turns my thoughts toward my brothers. I know they love me. But they fear me. They fear what I am. The elder fears his sons will be like me. He does not need to say it. I know he does.
The other fears how I dress and feels the need to insult me for it. He fears that I knit and teases me for it. He fears that I speak so fondly of my best male friend, who is married and straight.

The poison is agitated in a volatile burst by the words: “armed gays don’t get bashed.” I am so infuriated to hear these words. Only the victims are to blame. The obvious solution is more guns. I am so fucking furious to hear these words. There is no problem that cannot be solved by increasing the number of guns.

My rage will calm eventually. But it exists now. I look to the antivenin of compassion. Please administer the compassion.

Fifty dead and the answer is more guns. Please administer the compassion.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@chagrin

I was in the Castro today, the San Francisco neighborhood that just might be the most famous gay neighborhood in the world.

There was a memorial set up, with flowers and signs. The people gathered in front of it were very quiet. One sign read

Para nuestros hermanos y hermanas caídos en Orlando

For our fallen brothers and sisters in Orlando

Here are photos of SF Bay Area vigils:

http://photos.mercurynews.com/2016/06/12/san-francisco-bay-area-vigils-for-orlando-massacre-victims/#9

Axecalibur
Axecalibur
4 years ago

@chagrin

Please administer the compassion

I don’t know if this is what you need right now, but it’s what I have. Sorry, it’s not enough
http://38.media.tumblr.com/f222541b05c43398abc59aadf4038bf3/tumblr_nhv5o4zrxR1s6646qo4_500.gif

Kat
Kat
4 years ago
Axecalibur
Axecalibur
4 years ago

@Kat

Brooklyn native died protecting her son in Orlando nightclub attack

1 less light in the world. Most of my family is in/from Brooklyn. This heroine isn’t 1 of mine, but, as a NYer, Brenda’s 1 of ours. And Flatbush too? Homegirl’s from down the block!? I’m sad but also a little proud 🙂
http://www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-blog/blogs/brooklyn-made-hed-2016.jpg
And can we talk about how moms is at the club on a Sat night getting her salsa on with her son? Quality fucking parenting! That’s kinda beautiful, right?

occasional reader
occasional reader
4 years ago

Condoleances to all the close relatives/friends of the deceased.

> Alan

Our papers have gone down the route of comparing this to the Bataclan massacre.

I do not know how well planed was this massacre, but the Bataclan one was part of a bigger plot, and was really linked to Isis terrorism. Plus, the Bataclan is not a gay bar (however, there are regular gay events hold in it). So, except for the horror of the act, there are not really a lot of common denominators in those slaughtering.

Now, another thing that i fear, in addition to the political exploitation of the event, is a recuperation of it by Isis. Even if this group had not even remotly play a part in the assault, i guess it would eagerly use it for its propaganda, sucking even more “enjoyment” as so many islamophobic persons had been prompt to designate them as the invisible hand behind the attack.

skybison
skybison
4 years ago

I’m reluctant to assume this asshole was gay. Other people who visited the club said they’d never seen him before and memories of this sort of thing aren’t always reliable so it’s possible they were confusing him with someone who looked similar or something. Plus it’s a well established fact that mass killers ritualistically plan their killings months or even years in advance so he could have been going to gay clubs for that reason.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Axecalibur

And can we talk about how moms is at the club on a Sat night getting her salsa on with her son? Quality fucking parenting! That’s kinda beautiful, right?

Yes, it is beautiful. It’s probably par for the course for a Flatbush mom.

Ellesar
Ellesar
4 years ago

I will be going to London Pride for the first time in years as a result of this. We are still under attack and I would like to stand up and be counted.

My organisation will probably be bringing about 100 LGBT’s and 3 supportive hetero’s!