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Roosh V Forum members agree: The real victim in the Stanford rape case is Brock Turner

Brock Turner: Misunderstood martyr?
Brock Turner: Misunderstood martyr?

I find it hard to read about the Stanford rape case for more than a few minutes at a time. The whole thing is so grotesque and awful that I literally start twitching in anger and frustration and have to stop reading.

It took several tries for me to make it all the way through a three-and-a-half minute video from Buzzfeed in which a young woman read excerpts from the deeply unsettling letter the victim read to her attacker in court, and it left my stomach in knots.

Last night, a reader pointed me to what he said were some particularly egregious comments about the case he’d run across on Roosh V’s forum from a fellow who calls himself, perhaps appropriately, the Lizard of Oz. I finally forced myself to read them this morning, and found myself twitching again.

The Lizard is as angry about the case as I am. But he’s not angry at “poor wide-eyed fearful [Brock] Turner,” for violating an unconscious woman, or at the judge for giving Turner only a six month sentence (of which he will likely only serve half).

No, he’s angry at what he describes as “a society full of psychotic princesses and their despicable white-knight enablers which treats its young men as worthless roadkill.” And he’s angry at the woman who was violated for speaking up on her own behalf with what he sees as a suspicious eloquence.

Yes, that’s right. He’s mad at her in part because her letter is too well-written for his taste, complaining that the “emotionally dishonest” document “is a self-consciously literary text written in the hysterical tones of contemporary serious female fiction.” In another comment, he denounces her letter as “literary attention whoring from the first word to the last.”

His comments are worth looking at in some detail, if only as a sort of case study in the ways in which misogyny and rape culture can not only destroy a person’s basic human empathy but also their ability to see the facts right in front of them.

As The Lizard sees it, the only crime here is that a “drunk and confused teenage boy” had his “life …. destroyed” just because he failed to notice that his sex partner had passed out.

The idea that this is a “light sentence” is a tragically misplaced one. In reality, the guy’s life is ruined forever. He will be registered as a sex offender for the remainder of his life. He is an eternal pariah and outcast. All because this slut decided that a few moments of drunkenness were enough to destroy a man’s life for good.

The Lizard has somehow convinced himself, through a rather tortured reading of the victim’s letter, that she “liked” being violated by Turner.

This slut went to the party because she wanted to get drunk and cheat on her boyfriend. She obviously wanted this athlete guy to f**k her as she admits in this key passage from the “victim letter” which you need to parse correctly through its lawyerly wording.

Here’s the passage in question, in which she admits no such thing. (I’m putting quotes from her in blue to distinguish them clearly from his.)

And you’re right, maybe I was still fluttering my eyes and wasn’t completely limp yet, fine. His guilt did not depend on him knowing the exact second that I became unconscious, that is never what this was about. I was slurring, too drunk to consent way before I was on the ground. I should have never been touched in the first place

The meaning of the passage is pretty transparent. She’s not saying she consented. She’s saying that she was clearly, obviously, unquestionably “too drunk to consent.”

The Lizard has a somewhat different take.

In other words she’s admitting she was by no means unconscious when he started “fingering” her which she herself said she “liked”. This kid is now supposed to be a “rapist” because in his own drunkenness he could not figure out the exact moment when the equally drunk girl passed out? Really?

Yes, really. It doesn’t matter what “exact moment” she passed out, you stupid sack of garbage. If you stick your fingers into someone who is passed out, that is rape. If you stick your fingers into someone so drunk they’re on the verge of passing out, that is also rape.

The Lizard puts the word “liked” in quotes, as if it is a direct quote from the victim. It’s not. If you search her statement for the words “like” and “liked,” you won’t find her saying anywhere that she “liked” what Turner did to her.

Here are some of the things you will find. (I will put the words “like” and “liked” in italics.)

A paragraph in which she describes taking a shower in a hospital after several hours of being poked and prodded and examined for evidence of rape.

After a few hours of this, they let me shower. I stood there examining my body beneath the stream of water and decided, I don’t want my body anymore. I was terrified of it, I didn’t know what had been in it, if it had been contaminated, who had touched it. I wanted to take off my body like a jacket and leave it at the hospital with everything else.

A paragraph in which she describes how she learned what happened to her that night in the time between her last memory of the party she was at and when she came to hours later on a hospital gurney.

This was how I learned what happened to me, sitting at my desk reading the news at work. I learned what happened to me the same time everyone else in the world learned what happened to me. That’s when the pine needles in my hair made sense, they didn’t fall from a tree. He had taken off my underwear, his fingers had been inside of me. I don’t even know this person. I still don’t know this person. When I read about me like this, I said, this can’t be me, this can’t be me. I could not digest or accept any of this information.

A paragraph in which she addresses Turner for trying to excuse his actions by claiming he was too drunk to know what he was doing. An excerpt:

Sipping fireball is not your crime. Peeling off and discarding my underwear like a candy wrapper to insert your finger into my body, is where you went wrong. Why am I still explaining this.

A paragraph in which she discusses one way in which the sexual assault has affected her:

I can’t sleep alone at night without having a light on, like a five year old, because I have nightmares of being touched where I cannot wake up, I did this thing where I waited until the sun came up and I felt safe enough to sleep. For three months, I went to bed at six o’clock in the morning.

So where does the idea she “liked it” come from? Not from her, but from Turner. In her letter, she recalls reading a news account of the evening’s events:

In the next paragraph, I read something that I will never forgive; I read that according to him, I liked it. I liked it. Again, I do not have words for these feelings.

Speaking of the word “like,” The Lizard’s comment received fifty “likes” from Roosh V forum users. Here they all are:

MiscBrah, Horus, n/a, BallsDeep, GlobalMan, KidA, Samseau, Captainstabbin, spokepoker, Genghis Khan, RoastBeefCurtains4Me, Burt Gummer, Tokyo Joe, bigrich, gajf77, Comte De St. Germain, Mr. Scumbag, getdownonit, Renton1875, H1N1, Benoit, Chevalier De Seingalt, J. Spice, DJ-Matt, debeguiled, Neo2, Grodin, PUA_Rachacha, VincentVinturi, arafat scarf, Professor Fox, godzilla, Roadrunner, UroboricForms, B TAHKE, MMX2010, yfc4, Grizzles, Ocelot, TooFineAPoint, Polo, DeltaSmelt, Dismal Operator, Gmac, Geomann180, mpr, tradman, Avarence, dies irae, Matrixdude

In a followup comment, The Lizard begs a fellow forum member who actually sees the incident as”obviously a real case of rape” to have some empathy — for Turner.

Please try to think about this in actual human terms and understand what happened here. The idea that a young kid’s life should be ruined forever because of this incident is disgraceful.

It’s not long before The Lizard sets forth a conspiracy theory to explain just why the victim’s letter went viral. Weirdly, it involves Donald Trump.

I can tell you why it went viral:

1. They need this to make up for the loss they took on lyin’ Jackie [last name redacted –DF] in the UVa case — a loss they’re still smarting from.

2. It’s needed as payback for TRUMP — pretty much the fact that he still dares to exist.

Unbelievable. The Lizard concludes:

There is serious evil afoot here. But it’s not in the actions of one drunk confused kid — the evil is in our society and the hysterical extremes it has reached in pandering to female lies.

In a series of followup comments, The Lizard informs us that white men can’t rape:

“Rape” victims are few and far between, and real rapes, violent drag into the bushes rapes, are vanishingly rare on college campuses, and not committed by young white male college students.

That women apparently love — no, LOVE — having sex behind dumpsters:

What I know for sure is that women go to parties and get drunk because they want to f**k; and women, especially when they are drunk and horny, LOVE the idea and the excitement of having sex in public locations to an extent that most prudish men and white-knights can never understand.

That he’s pretty sure the victim didn’t write her letter, because reasons:

I did not believe when I saw it, and I believe less now, that it was written in full by “Emily Doe”. It bears all the marks of a far more experienced, ideological, and nastier hand.

I cannot prove, but strongly suspect, that this document was written in part or in full by Michele Dauber, the Stanford Law professor who has been primarily responsible for coordinating the propaganda campaign in this case.

Several commenters on Roosh’s forum, to their credit, take issue with The Lizard’s arguments, such as they are.

And then there is the odious piece of human garbage who calls himself GlobalMan — who may be a man we have met many times before, since“GlobalMan” was for years the internet moniker used by the extremely odd and terrible person better known as Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c).

Here is his take on the situation:

Wow. If [Turner’s] account is indeed accurate and true, not only is this the furthest thing from rape there could ever be, but it is also quite scary that men have to now worry about roving pairs of violent white knights intruding on any public lustful escapades with a willing and enthusiastic lover because they’ve been trained to view all males with natural virility as a threat to public safety.

What you have is in fact actually a sweet and beautiful scene, two young drunk kids slipping and falling and going at it right where they fell. Not too long ago in history someone would have walked by these kids and smirked, passing by with a smile at the thought of young lust. Now such a scene is cause to use violence to restrain the male and send him off to the gulag for societal castration.

A disgusting and sad outcome if there ever was one.

A “sweet and beautiful scene.” That comment got more than a dozen “likes” from the Roosh V Forum crowd.

I’m twitching again.

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Dove
5 years ago

Oh. Wow. That’s even worse than my IRL non-friends.

It took me a long time to finish getting around to reading the entire letter, but I was crying. It’s just… so sad, but gorgeously written. She’s a beautiful writer and I wish she didn’t have to write about this. She should be writing about, I don’t know, anything but her rape. The only way someone can ‘like’ rape is if it’s not rape.

Fuck. Them.

(also, why trump?)

brian
brian
5 years ago

i… ugh.
there are no words.
… fuck.

Bluecollarnerd
Bluecollarnerd
5 years ago

I don’t know how you stomach this shit Dave, just reading your accounts of this crap often sends me into fits.

Keep up the good fight man.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

Trigger warning for general horribleness

If this make you angry, and I can see why it does, then definitely don’t read the letter Turner’s father submitted to the court.

There’s no admission or apology. Rape is equated to ‘promiscuity’ with the implication that the victim is equally, if not solely, to blame and the father states, in all seriousness, that the worst aspect of this case is that his son can no longer enjoy pretzels with the same enthusiasm he once did!!!!!.

[I have some further comments but I’ll go for a walk and take some deep breaths otherwise I’ll say something for which you’ll have to ban me]

TiredTexan
TiredTexan
5 years ago

One of the things that bothers me the most is that in order to reach the conclusion that Brock Turner’s life was worth enough not to destroy, the judge had to conclude that Brock’s life was better and worth more than other defendants. In other words, the judge made the call that Brock, as a human being, had special worth sufficient that his life should not be destroyed. This, in spite of testimony that Brock lied about his history of drug and alcohol use (which was extensive and spanned back into high school), and the fact that Brock never really apologized or took responsibility. This leaves only his worth as a wealthy, white kid as the basis for sentencing.

The victim’s value? Not even worth discussing.

Brown and black men who’ve been sentenced to far, far worse prison time for far, far less? Never even worth considering.

The internalized racism and sexism that led to the slap-on-the-wrist jail sentence is amazing.

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
5 years ago

If [Turner’s] account is indeed accurate and true, not only is this the furthest thing from rape there could ever be

And if my cat had wings, she’d be a bird.

Mathieu Tremblay
Mathieu Tremblay
5 years ago

I wish I was surprised that RooshV’s fans would side with a rapist. But predictably, they did…

violetvolume
violetvolume
5 years ago

Stuff like this makes me terrified to leave my house because there are people out there who really think like this, and I have no way of knowing who they are.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

***Trigger Warning*** for rape apologetics beyond the pale.

This is the relevant bit of the father’s letter. I know people here are used to MRA type crap and completely understand rape culture but what’s horrifying is that this isn’t deliberate misogynistic trolling. This is from a regular human being, the sort of person you live next door to and probably say hello to everyday.
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ETA: one of my friends quoted me something that really sums up this whole thing “In rape cases, men have a future and women have a past”

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
5 years ago

Sweet and beautiful, with pine needles shoved inside the woman’s body. I just can’t.

Has the Internet made people worse, or have we always been this horrible and the Internet has made it easier to see it?

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago

Well at least the furore around the case looks like turning the swine into the social pariah he deserves to be…

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
5 years ago

Re: Brock’s father’s letter: there is someone who did a ‘fixed it for you’ version. It is glorious. [Possible trigger warning as it does use Brock’s father’s letter as the basis.]

Someone Edited That Letter From Brock Turner’s Dad
And it’s spot-on

Terrabeau
Terrabeau
5 years ago

Not too long ago in history someone would have walked by these kids and smirked, passing by with a smile at the thought of young lust.

I literally threw up a little in my mouth there. Disregarding how much he needs to distort reality to be able to make that comparison, in what kind of universe is drunken public sex considered even remotely romantic?

Ugh, I can’t deal with this right now. I’m gonna go play video games.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo
weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo
5 years ago

If you can’t drink without sexually assaulting someone, maybe you shouldn’t get drunk.

chesselwitt
chesselwitt
5 years ago

a sweet and beautiful scene

I just… I can’t… WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?! I seriously don’t want to be a part of a world that includes people that say this.

@FishyGoat
That corrected version of the letter is indeed glorious. I needed that.

theseventhguest
theseventhguest
5 years ago

**TW for a quote from that dad’s letter**
(did i do this right?)

when brock’s father wrote the line,
“I had to make sure to hide some of my favorite pretzels or chips because I knew they wouldn’t be around long after Brock walked in from swim practice”
did he realize this suggests he has trouble with boundaries and seeing other people as important? it could be a cute story, if this wasnt in his letter to a judge about his rapist son.

Cupcakes 4 Hitler
Cupcakes 4 Hitler
5 years ago

This story makes me want to vomit. It’s this Turner guy who is the entitled one, not the victim for being a ‘princess’. He looks like a real opportunist. Maybe they think it isn’t rape if he used his fingers not his dick? Sticking anything into anybody without their permission is sexual assault. This guy deserves everything he gets, it’s not his life ruined, it’s his victim who’ll be haunted by this forever.

Cupcakes 4 Hitler
Cupcakes 4 Hitler
5 years ago

And yuck, I’m getting a vile advert saying ‘teased by my young boss, nobody else has touched her there, yet!’

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
5 years ago

@chesselwitt I suspect many people did, on this site and elsewhere.

I have to say I am heartened to see the amount of blow back against the pro-rape-culture posts. Odd, I never used to be – for some reason this time the anti-rape comments don’t feel like so much of an anomaly.

@ cupcakes – No kidding. 😛

Peep
Peep
5 years ago

You are all forgetting the most important part of this story: this young man swims incredibly fast. Seriously, he is so fast. Did you see his swim times? He was going to go the Olympics!

/sssssssss

lkeke35
lkeke35
5 years ago

@As Above: No. Humanity has always been shitty to each other. The internet allows the knowledge of it to be brought in to our homes on a daily basis.

Ceiros
Ceiros
5 years ago

I was raped 13 years ago and it still affects my life. I’m actually facing it for the first time, since part of my coping mechanism was to claim I was over it and refuse to deal with it or accept that I had changed as a result, in small ways as well as large. I never reported the rape because it happened on a college campus (and we all see how well that works) and the rapist had been my best friend. He decided to show me that we should be more than friends by clamping his arm across my throat and raping me when I was drunk.

When I told him that what he did to me was wrong (I didn’t even have the courage to call it rape back then), he apologized that I didn’t view “making love” with the same gravity as he did. That was my last contact with him. That whole crap about “a sweet and beautiful scene” just shows how these guys justify it in their heads. Rape becomes love and assault becomes beautiful.

All the guys liking those comments are only one incapacitated woman away from becoming rapists themselves.

Cupcakes 4 Hitler
Cupcakes 4 Hitler
5 years ago

@peep

Yea, he was going to be a great American Olympian, and she was going to be a fat alcoholic baby mama to black babies and live on welfare handouts!!!

Besides, as he was white, it wasn’t really rape, she should have been more grateful for his attention because he wasn’t a brown person from Mexico!!

Heil Trump!!

banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
5 years ago

…real rapes, violent drag into the bushes rapes, are vanishingly rare on college campuses…

He dragged her behind a dumpster and dropped her in a pile of trash. It’s exactly the scenario of a violent attack that many people think is the only “real” rape, that he’s describing, and he’s still trying to minimize it.

Cupcakes 4 Hitler
Cupcakes 4 Hitler
5 years ago

I knew I’d seen a story like this before….

Steubenville football gang rape

Ben
Ben
5 years ago

@theseventhguest

Wow, that never occurred to me, but you’re absolutely right. The father’s letter, in general, is a masterpiece in showing how society trains people to think about rape and how it defends that training as normalcy.

And he’s also a disgusting monster in it, too. It’s not just society at fault here, it’s a father who honestly seems to believe that his son is incapable of wrongdoing, even if a jury of his peers unanimously disagrees.

Peep
Peep
5 years ago

@Cupcakes 4 Hitler

If she really hadn’t wanted it, she should’ve built a wall!

Stephen Lawt
Stephen Lawt
5 years ago

Just when I thought these people couldn’t get any worse, what world are they living in where six months is an acceptable sentence for attempted rape. Brock Turner got off way too easy after ruining another person’s life

Silent Spring
Silent Spring
5 years ago

Congratulations, Mr. Futrelle, for writing the first We Hunted the Mammoth entry I literally couldn’t finish reading. Rape apologia is something that’s always baffled me, though it’s not surprising coming from the same loathsome degenerates who continually argue in complete seriousness that women are less than human, enjoy being beaten by their abusive husbands. and shouldn’t be allowed to vote. You have to know that each and every one of them has probably done something even worse to a helpless woman in his past (or are just waiting for the opportunity. The only difference between them and Brock Turner is that they got away with it.

princess sunny burn
princess sunny burn
5 years ago

Her letter was too eloquent, so she’s obviously lying and it was written by someone else. Of course, if it was less eloquent, they’d say she was obviously hysterical or too dumb to know what really happened.

This just, sadly, makes me think of the whole mess with Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. Both of these women did exactly what you’re “supposed” to do when you’re raped or assaulted. Both cases are pretty clear cut and have loads of evidence. And yet in both cases, the rapist/abuser gets off with a slap on the wrist, and the victim gets attacked and accused of lying.

I just get so sad, thinking of what young girls might be thinking seeing this sort of thing in the news. Possibly hearing people they know say awful things about these women who fought back against their abuse. Young girls who ARE being abused RIGHT NOW, are getting the message that their abuse doesn’t matter, that no one will believe them, that if they go public with it they’ll have to face a humiliating ordeal and that the life and potential of their abuser will be prioritized over their own.

It makes me sad and it makes me angry.

makroth
makroth
5 years ago

The dad’s letter… makes me almost too angry to write anything except swear words. You know, with all the talk about the son and his distress he didn’t say anything about how the girl was changed by the experience and how difficult it will be for her to recover. I’d like him to receive letters from rape victims describing their experiences to him. Hundreds of them. Not online but via snail mail. I want him to be forced to read their experiences over and over until he fucking understands. FUCK! HIM!

Laserqueen
Laserqueen
5 years ago

The father works in the same building complex as I do. I can tell you I am thrilled at my coworkers response to this entire case. Everyone has read both the victim’s statement and the father’s letter and it has sparked wonderful discussion. Really, better than the sexual assault prevention training that we have to take every year. Which apparently the father just sat through without retaining a tiny bit. I can tell you his work environment has gotten quite frosty.

I’m also long time friends with a teacher who taught Brock in his middle school classroom. The discussions happening among school admin in this entire area of Ohio are great- Brock being only 19 at the time of his crime, his actions are clearly the result of his parenting, his school system, and his own personal choices. The high school counselor also penned a letter for the judge filled with glowing praise for Brock. A giant can of worms for the school system.

Nequam
Nequam
5 years ago

Because OF COURSE they do.

Moocow
5 years ago

The real reason this went viral?

A rape occurred, with multiple witnesses and flagrant proof and still we see the absolutely bullshit arguments of

“everyone please think of the poor rapist, his life might be impacted by a crime he committed”

“he won’t be able to eat potato chips the same way!”
“he can’t smile as easily”

HOW DEVOID OF EMPATHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO THINK THAT’S SOMEHOW MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT THE VICTIM IS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH.

And I really hope “20 minutes of action” goes down in infamy as a insensitive example of rape apologia. Applied to any other crime and it’s just senseless and shows how rape apologists just simply don’t consider rape a crime.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago

I’m as upset and flabbergasted as anyone about how this trial played out, and forgive me if this link comes off as too light-hearted. (And David please remove if you deem it just out of bounds.) But Reductress actually did an article on Brock Turner and it ends up being equal parts sour and sarcastic towards the swimmer:

http://reductress.com/post/prison-installs-new-olympic-sized-swimming-pool-for-stanford-rapist/

Content Note to anyone unfamiliar with Reductress: THEY ARE A SATIRE SITE. Rarely do they touch on anything so heinous as this case — and to some degree they have avoided the case itself and have focused on “poor young Brock’s needs”. Again — satire from start to end.

Michael P
Michael P
5 years ago

In happier (and real) news, the little shit’s been banned from US competitive swimming for life: http://jezebel.com/stanford-rapist-brock-turner-has-been-banned-from-usa-s-1781705388

Cupcakes 4 Hitler
Cupcakes 4 Hitler
5 years ago

@david

Inserted halfway down the body of text, not the heading or sidebar. I guess that’s Adsense. Or Ad nonsense.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

women, especially when they are drunk and horny, LOVE the idea and the excitement of having sex in public locations to an extent that most prudish men and white-knights can never understand

…he learned everything he knows about women from porn, didn’t he?

snork maiden
5 years ago

I am not remotely surprised that RoK are taking Turner’s side, despite his being the very embodiment of the ‘Chads’ they usually rail against.

I recall that when S. Jane Gari published that letter from ‘Susan’ recounting her rape by Roosh, some guy was claiming that the letter was too poorly written to be taken seriously, and now we have someone questioning an account written too well.

numerobis
numerobis
5 years ago

Carrie: best part of the reductress story

The victim had no comment, because we did not reach out to her for one. This isn’t really about her.

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

I went out to lunch yesterday with my boss and the other men that I do admin for. All of them are fathers. One of them has a couple of boys and his oldest has just asked out a girl for the first time, so the conversation turned to parenting kids who are interested in dating and eventually sex. “I have it easy, not like you guys,” says the father of boys. “You all have girls. You have to play the tough pappa and scare the boys away. Me, I get to just be a cheerleader.” Everyone laughed and joked and agreed, and all I could think about was Brock Turner’s father saying his son shouldn’t have to suffer for 20 minutes of action out of his life.

Because it’s all the same thing. It’s the belief that girls and women having sex harms and debases them, so much that the parents of girls need to do everything in their power to prevent it from happening to their kids. But the fathers of boys, they don’t need to tell their kids not to have sex with girls, even though they think it will harm those girls. No, they get to be cheerleaders, because it’s okay to hurt girls for your own sexual pleasure, as long as you can get around her father’s protection. You’re entitled to it.

And if you believe that, there’s really no difference between sex and rape. Both hurt girls/women, and hurting girls and women is okay.

I trust my coworkers a lot less.

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
5 years ago

@Ceiros

So sorry. No one should have to go through that, ever.

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
5 years ago

@ Alan Robertshaw

“In rape cases, men have a future and women have a past”

That’s it exactly. In Jon Krakauer’s book Missoula (which I highly recommend if you can stomach it), one of the rape cases actually ended with a conviction, and suddenly everyone wanted to talk about “healing.” But too many people seemed to think “healing” meant “go on like nothing happened.” Among the survivors I’ve known, one thing that’s healing is having the crime taken seriously, something that requires serious consequences.

11 tw
11 tw
5 years ago

Wow. If [Turner’s] account is indeed accurate and true, not only is this the furthest thing from rape there could ever be, but it is also quite scary that men have to now worry about roving pairs of violent white knights intruding on any public lustful escapades with a willing and enthusiastic lover because they’ve been trained to view all males with natural virility as a threat to public safety.

What you have is in fact actually a sweet and beautiful scene, two young drunk kids slipping and falling and going at it right where they fell. Not too long ago in history someone would have walked by these kids and smirked, passing by with a smile at the thought of young lust. Now such a scene is cause to use violence to restrain the male and send him off to the gulag for societal castration.

A disgusting and sad outcome if there ever was one.

This is the worst thing I have ever read. The idea that there was once a time when young lovers would have considered that romantic sickens me. She was unconscious. No one denies this. Is it “sweet” when a man pushes his penis inside of an unconscious girl? When pine needles and dirt get rubbed up against her and have to be pulled out the next day?

The person on the other side of the keyboard who wrote this is an actual monster. I just hope they are a powerless, sad pathetic monster who is too weak to inflict his vision of ‘young lust’ on the world.

Cupcakes 4 Hitler
Cupcakes 4 Hitler
5 years ago

@viscaria

I had a similar experience to that last year at a pub I go to. Being a musician I tend to go out to bands and open mic nights, where a lot of the patrons and also the landlord are older men, many of whom I consider my friends. It got awkward when they were discussing the celebrities in the press being taken to court for assaulting underage girls, or course the King of them all was Jimmy Savile. So here am I feeling very uncomfortable with actual friends of mine talking about these sex offenders with affection and nostalgia, and blaming the girls for being ‘groupies’ and doing what was expected of them, whilst the alleged paedophiles were doing nothing at all wrong – ‘it was different back then’ is something you hear a lot. They seem to think the girls are just looking for money and glamour, these men are ‘prizes’ after all, not rapists. It’s disgusting that this mindset permeates society, it’s Patriarchism at its worst, I do not even think they expected me to feel uncomfortable cause I’m ‘one of the boys’. Of course, I don’t feel at risk from any of these guys, but it goes to show how rape culture is ingrained even in ‘polite’ society.

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

“It was different back then” is one of my least favourite phrases in the entire English vernacular.

Silver
Silver
5 years ago

There is a Tweet (I dont normally do Tweets – it was circulated on Face book) by a woman called Lauren Duca, where she “Edits” the fathers letter and adds in most of the bits that should be in there. From the way the father has written his letter, it looks like he has equipped his son well to come up with every excuse in the book. He says his son is now going to educate students about the dangers of “alcohol consumption and sexual promiscuity” and says that “By having people like Brock educate others on college campuses is how society can begin to break the cycle of drinking and its unfortunate results”. Ooops. I fear they both have some way to go in their own education before they are fit to pass on any lessons!!!

ryeash
ryeash
5 years ago

The idea that this is a “light sentence” is a tragically misplaced one. In reality, the guy’s life is ruined forever. He will be registered as a sex offender for the remainder of his life. He is an eternal pariah and outcast.

I, for one, am fine with that. If he feels like he did nothing wrong and his despicable family want to back him up on his lack of remorse, it’s only fitting that he be reminded all the time by everyone else around him that he’s disgusting.

real rapes, violent drag into the bushes rapes

Oooohhhh, so REAL rape ONLY occurs in bushes. Dragging a woman through tree debris to drop her behind a dumpster doesn’t count. GOTCHA.

In less twitchy-rage news, I got that Brock Turner for Olympics 2016 Facebook page taken down. Only took a letter to WAM! and a week of reporting. GREAT JOB, FACEBOOK. I also apologized for calling them fuckwaffles, because I called them fuckwaffles the first time I got my report back. Probably didn’t help, but…they were acting like fuckwaffles *folds arms*.

Pardon all the caps, pretty much been in a constant state of seething since the sentencing. Someone said it in the comments section here once, but triggers don’t always send their victims running off to huddle in a corner to cry. Mine tend to rev up my rage like Junkrat executing his ultimate in Overwatch.

…and then I run over everyone and everything with my spiky edges until I explode.

Paradoxical Intention - Mobile
Paradoxical Intention - Mobile
5 years ago

Roosh fans prove, yet again, that they are sacks of human garbage. The cheap, flimsy kind that tear and break when you put more that an empty plastic tub in it.

Apparently though, a group of witches had hexed Turner, and that makes me a bit happier.

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